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Old 08-06-2020, 4:20 PM
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This was from yesterday's weekly live Q & A session. Fast forward to minute 19:35 where someone asked about CCW for law abiding citizens. He mentioned again that he is not going from Good Cause to Shall Issue, but he emphasized that he wants to make it achievable if you qualify.

https://www.facebook.com/LosAngelesC...2261605004600/

IF he keeps his words, I'm okay with Good Cause that's achievable. It's still leaps and bounds from No Issue at all. I have seen how Good Cause has significantly liberalized CCW in the neighboring Orange County in the last couple of years where I used to live.
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Old 08-06-2020, 8:00 PM
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https://www.lbreport.com/20ops/krik/krik20.htm

If they plan to defund my local police department, and it's on the list of cities in agreement to issue CCW's through the LA county sheriff's dept, is it worth applying?
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Old 08-06-2020, 8:49 PM
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If it's important enough to you, yes definitely worth a try. We all know that historically it has always been virtually impossible for regular law abiding folks to get a CCW in LA County. With cautious optimism, we are seeing some indications that Alex Villanueva may change directions for the better for us. Regardless whether it is real or not, or whether he will backtrack later in the year when the budget gets reviewed in October, there is no better time to give it a try than now. How will we know if we do not give it a try?

All this will cost you is $10 initial application fee and your time to prepare a complete application. Apply to find out, but with low expectation.
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I'll give it a shot then, thank you!
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Old 08-07-2020, 12:33 PM
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I want to apply for CCW too but I don't know what kind of GC I can come up with.
I'm not in LA County but was in a similar position a couple of years ago. I was not really reading the forums here, but I saw the mailer the NRA was sending out-- "OC Residents, Apply for your CCW permit NOW!-- and basically dismissed it. I wrongly assumed that I would be unsuccessful because I was not a criminal defense lawyer, an ADA, or connected person-- and I also wondered if having a denial would be a red flag for future gun confiscation efforts-- "come and get mine first"-- and so on. In other words, I thought it was basically futile. Then someone I know applied, and encouraged me to do so. I did some homework, and the cost-- I reckoned about $600-$700 was another dissuasive factor. But then I saw that CRPA was doing a free "Pre-CCW" class, and I figured, what they hey, I'll go and see what they have to say.

That two-hour course changed everything for me. All my objections were refuted and I went ahead and applied.

That Pre-CCW class is now run online. You have to register, but it is free. Upcoming dates are August 14, 2020; September 18, 2020; October 16, 2020; I'm sure additional sections will be scheduled going forward.

The guy who teaches/runs that seminar is an attorney who specializes in CA Gun laws, and if anything, it will help you make an informed choice. In addition, when I attended, it provided me with an opportunity to refine my GC statement with someone who has vast experience in this area.

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I've only encouraged people to apply who've got a solid chance of passing the GC standard. [...]
It may not be germane now, but someone related an anecdote regarding an assistant DA in LA County who, prior to this recent series of developments, was denied twice, I think. So to my way of thinking, if an ADA, who aids in the prosecution of criminals, can't get a permit-- at least under McDonnell-- that is not good for ordinary people.

Villanueva might choose to use CCW as a goad for the BoS. All those good leftists will be horrified to consider the masses suddenly being legally armed on the streets of LA County.

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If it's important enough to you, yes definitely worth a try. We all know that historically it has always been virtually impossible for regular law abiding folks to get a CCW in LA County. With cautious optimism, we are seeing some indications that Alex Villanueva may change directions for the better for us. [...]
All this will cost you is $10 initial application fee and your time to prepare a complete application. Apply to find out, but with low expectation.
I agree, but I would strongly encourage you to consider working with Lieberman to make sure your GC statement is perfectly pitched.
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Old 08-07-2020, 5:15 PM
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IIRC, a poster in the CGN thread discussing the CSA audit of Sacto, LA and SD said that while the CSA itself doesn't have any enforcement "teeth", the legislative body/cmte that ordered the audit does and can order a sheriff to appear before them to testify why he isn't obeying state law (where the CSA found violations) and punish him (removal from office?) if it gets to that.

I know nothing about them.
Sadly, I believe you to be mistaken. The only entity that can "remove" an elected sheriff. Is the elected governor.
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Old 08-07-2020, 5:18 PM
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https://www.lbreport.com/20ops/krik/krik20.htm

If they plan to defund my local police department, and it's on the list of cities in agreement to issue CCW's through the LA county sheriff's dept, is it worth applying?
Well, that depends upon your Good Cause (GC) and how much you want a CCW.

An aside: welcome newbie!

Back to the serious stuff.

Read post #31 by yours truly at: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1482924 Follow the instructions. Start from the bottom and see how far you have to go up before matching your GC with one listed. That will tell you what "color" your GC is. Those colors are shown in the CA CCW GC map you've probably seen on CGN. (If no where else, then in post #3 at the link above.) (BTW that map is out-of-date. A new one is supposed to be posted anytime now, showing Napa Light Green, Alameda Yellow and LA Light Red.)

If your GC color is Dark Red or Light Red, I feel you've got a solid chance with LASD now. You probably have a decent chance if your GC is Yellow. But that's all going on the assumption what AV says is true. We won't really know until people apply and get approved or denied. But many people won't apply unless they know for sure they'll get approved.... Thus we are trapped in the infamous "chicken and egg" problem. But it costs only $10 to apply and get a GC decision, so go for it if can meet those GC color standards. (No, a GC denial will NOT hurt your future applications.) Heck, if I lived in LA Co I'd try right now and I only have a Light Green GC....
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Old 08-07-2020, 5:24 PM
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Sadly, I believe you to be mistaken. The only entity that can "remove" an elected sheriff. Is the elected governor.
I don't know. That's why I put it a parenthetical with a question mark.

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IIRC, a poster in the CGN thread discussing the CSA audit of Sacto, LA and SD said that while the CSA itself doesn't have any enforcement "teeth", the legislative body/cmte that ordered the audit does and can order a sheriff to appear before them to testify why he isn't obeying state law (where the CSA found violations) and punish him (removal from office?) if it gets to that.
But we all (who were on CGN back then), saw how Solano Co SO went from what, Dark Red (?), to Light Green after just a county civil grand jury investigation found they weren't following their own CCW policies. I can't imagine how motivating having the CSA breathing down your neck would be.
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Old 08-08-2020, 6:10 PM
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Alright so I know of a couple people who have received CCW permits that I have a mutual friend with but I have not been able to contact them. My question is to anyone who has gone through the process recently, how long after they cash your check did you get the phone call?

Also can you please elaborate as to what questions they asked you over the phone and also in person? I'm sure I'm speaking for everybody as everyone would like more information as to what the whole thing entails since this is new for many people.
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Old 08-08-2020, 8:11 PM
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My question is to anyone who has gone through the process recently, how long after they cash your check did you get the phone call?

Also can you please elaborate as to what questions they asked you over the phone and also in person? I'm sure I'm speaking for everybody as everyone would like more information as to what the whole thing entails since this is new for many people.
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Well I'll be mailing my application today. I'll let you all know what happens.

Thank you Paladin for your feedback on my good cause.
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Old 08-12-2020, 9:40 AM
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as of to day I had my phone interview with the LASD and will have my face to face interview in a few weeks
Almost 5 weeks down!

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Well I'll be mailing my application today. I'll let you all know what happens.

Thank you Paladin for your feedback on my good cause.


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Old 08-12-2020, 11:20 AM
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Well I'll be mailing my application today. I'll let you all know what happens.

Thank you Paladin for your feedback on my good cause.
Wooohooo! Good luck, looking forward to hearing about the process/outcome. I’m still just trying to figure out what to report when it comes to traffic violations in the past five years, then I’ll be in the same boat.
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Wooohooo! Good luck, looking forward to hearing about the process/outcome. Iím still just trying to figure out what to report when it comes to traffic violations in the past five years, then Iíll be in the same boat.
Thanks, once I hear something I'll report back. Luckily I haven't had a ticket since about 2000.
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No new update for me. The deputy said they would call me to set up an appointment for an interview, but that was 3 weeks ago. Im not too worried...Iím sure theyíre getting quite busy right now.
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No new update for me. The deputy said they would call me to set up an appointment for an interview, but that was 3 weeks ago. Im not too worried...Iím sure theyíre getting quite busy right now.
How long after you submitted the application did they call you?

How long after they cashed your check did they call you?
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I guess I had better apply to my local PD now. I will almost definitely be denied, then can apply to LASD for a CCW.

Is there any way to look up how many CCWs a city (in LA County) police department has issued in the last 5-10 years?
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How long after you submitted the application did they call you?

How long after they cashed your check did they call you?
Around 4 weeks.
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Around 4 weeks.
Thanks. They cashed my check, so I'm waiting to see what happens. Its been about 2-3 weeks since it has been cashed.
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Is there any way to look up how many CCWs a city (in LA County) police department has issued in the last 5-10 years?
You can use a Public Records Act (PRA) request for a copy of any stats they make re. CCWs. Note you cannot ask them to do something new for you, some stat that they don't create for their own use. Also, there's a fee and charge per page of whatever you request.

Look here:
https://lasd.org/records-faq/
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A CGNer PMed me to share this with everyone else.

It took them just over a month from submission to phone call to schedule interview.

The caller seemed to focus on whether the registered handgun to be carried is truly concealable.

MY TAKE:

I think, like many of us, this CGNer never thought they'd have a chance for a CA CCW and planned on getting a smaller, more concealable handgun if things changed. They weren't expecting a CV19 panic causing gun shortages, followed by a BLM riots/looting causing an even greater gun buying panic right before applying. I suggested sorting out concealed carry belt/holster rig now for current handgun at home -- standing before a mirror, sitting down/standing up from a chair, drawing while seated, walking, jogging, sprinting (such as you can inside your home or outside w/a Ring's BlueGun simulator), etc. Lesson: if you plan on applying now, try to get the handgun (and carry rig) you want to carry now.

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Also, it is best to find out the type of ammo your IA carries for your caliber and use that. It heads off another issue with your IA and/or during a trial/lawsuit after a shooting.

Since this is a time of guns & ammo shortages, best to start this process (and make sure your gun is registered), now rather than later.
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A CGNer PMed me to share this with everyone else.

It took them just over a month from submission to phone call to schedule interview.

The caller seemed to focus on whether the registered handgun to be carried is truly concealable.

MY TAKE:

I think, like many of us, this CGNer never thought they'd have a chance for a CA CCW and planned on getting a smaller, more concealable handgun if things changed. They weren't expecting a CV19 panic causing gun shortages, followed by a BLM riots/looting causing an even greater gun buying panic right before applying. I suggested sorting out concealed carry belt/holster rig now for current handgun at home -- standing before a mirror, sitting down/standing up from a chair, drawing while seated, walking, jogging, sprinting (such as you can inside your home or outside w/a Ring's BlueGun simulator), etc. Lesson: if you plan on applying now, try to get the handgun (and carry rig) you want to carry now.

https://www.blueguns.com/

Also, it is best to find out the type of ammo your IA carries for your caliber and use that. It heads off another issue with your IA and/or during a trial/lawsuit after a shooting.

Since this is a time of guns & ammo shortages, best to start this process (and make sure your gun is registered), now rather than later.
Paladin,

Could you ask this person more details about the process including what the in-person interview was like and if they inspected the guns or not? Also, if he was approved and how long the permit is valid for? Even if this person doesn't reply on their own and use you as a proxy, we all really need more information from someone if they have gone through it. Thanks
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Could you ask this person more details about the process including what the in-person interview was like and if they inspected the guns or not? Also, if he was approved and how long the permit is valid for? Even if this person doesn't reply on their own and use you as a proxy, we all really need more information from someone if they have gone through it. Thanks
They said they'd update me to update others as they continue to go through the process.
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They said they'd update me to update others as they continue to go through the process.
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