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Old 05-03-2019, 9:59 AM
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Default Early 700P twist rate.

I recently purchased an older 700P with a 26" barrel.

Searching the web I came across several different sources stating a 1-12 twist rate.

I decided to call Remington to find the exact date of manufacture based on serial number. I was told a manufacture date of 2000. I then asked what kind of rifling and twist rate, to which the reply was standard rifling (not 5R) and a twist rate of 1-10.

I know that current SPS models with the shorter barrel is 1-10, but I've always understood that the longer 26" barrel 700P used the slower twist rate of 1-12.

Anyone here have an older 700P with 26" barrel with documentation that states twist rate?
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what caliber?

i have one in 308, 26" bbl with 1/12. purchased...i think it was 2012/13
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Just stick a cleaning rod with patch down the barrel, watch a rotation, and measure.
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I have one I bought in 2012....its 1/12 Order No. 25709
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what caliber?

i have one in 308, 26" bbl with 1/12. purchased...i think it was 2012/13
Sorry about that. It's a 308.

Seems like the general consensus here is 1-12 for the 26" pipe also.

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Just stick a cleaning rod with patch down the barrel, watch a rotation, and measure.
I should have thought of that. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow.

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I have one I bought in 2012....its 1/12 Order No. 25709
If the Order No. is something I can get from Remington when I supply the serial #, I'll call back and see if it includes model specific details like twist rate and barrel length.

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I'll bet it's 1-12 twist. Called it.
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But it really shouldn't be a concern. Nothing wrong with 1 in 12 for a .308. You're not going to be flinging 215 gr bullets out of it.
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Don't know about all the generations, but circa late 1990's, I had one that was 1-12. Regardless, 1-10 will do you just fine.
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I should have thought of that. I know what I'll be doing tomorrow.

Well, checked it this morning. Definitely 1-12.

Not sure why the Remington rep on the phone insisted the rifling was 1-10. I know the SPS is 1-10, but since we were specifically discussing an older 26" barreled 700P there's no excuse for him to give inaccurate info.
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Just an old salesman's trick. If you don't know something, just sound confident.
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But it really shouldn't be a concern. Nothing wrong with 1 in 12 for a .308. You're not going to be flinging 215 gr bullets out of it.
True. But now that I know for sure it's a 1-12 I'll focus my load development in the 155gr~168gr bullet selection range.
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I recently purchased an older 700P with a 26" barrel.

Searching the web I came across several different sources stating a 1-12 twist rate.

I decided to call Remington to find the exact date of manufacture based on serial number. I was told a manufacture date of 2000. I then asked what kind of rifling and twist rate, to which the reply was standard rifling (not 5R) and a twist rate of 1-10.

I know that current SPS models with the shorter barrel is 1-10, but I've always understood that the longer 26" barrel 700P used the slower twist rate of 1-12.

Anyone here have an older 700P with 26" barrel with documentation that states twist rate?
In 2000, your rifle was probably a 700PSS.
That would be a 1:12 twist with a 24" long barrel.
Around 2006, the PSS was replaced by the 700P.
That should be a 26" barrel with a 1:12 twist.

Measure the barrel length from the center of the gas relief hole on the side of the reciever.
Does yours have a 24" or 26" barrel?
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Not sure why the Remington rep on the phone insisted the rifling was 1-10. I know the SPS is 1-10, but since we were specifically discussing an older 26" barreled 700P there's no excuse for him to give inaccurate info.
They don't know so they just look up the current info.
They might not have even looked up the correct barrel length as the length effects what twist they use.
26" 308's get 1:12.
24" 5R 308's get 1:11.25
20" and 22" 308's get 1:10
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now that I know for sure it's a 1-12 I'll focus my load development in the 155gr~168gr bullet selection range.
26" 1:12 308's usually run 175's very well.
You don't need to worry about 175's unless you had the barrel shortened to 20" or if you are running the velocity lower than common match ammo.

Most factory Remington barrels won't shoot 155's well.
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Just stick a cleaning rod with patch down the barrel, watch a rotation, and measure.
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Or, for a more detailed explanation, start a patch or brush in the rifling. With a sharpie, mark a line along the top of the rod for about 14". Mark a ring around the rod at some repeatable point (where it enters the receiver, rear of the stock, whatever you choose.) Push rod into the bore until the line along the top is back at the top. Mark another ring at the point you used the first time. Remove rod and measure the distance between the rings.
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In 2000, your rifle was probably a 700PSS.
That would be a 1:12 twist with a 24" long barrel.
Around 2006, the PSS was replaced by the 700P.
That should be a 26" barrel with a 1:12 twist.

Measure the barrel length from the center of the gas relief hole on the side of the reciever.
Does yours have a 24" or 26" barrel?
From the gas relief hole to the muzzle the barrel measures 26". According to the rep I spoke with, the manufacture date was 2000. This is the same guy who insisted it was a 1-10 twist though.


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26" 1:12 308's usually run 175's very well.
You don't need to worry about 175's unless you had the barrel shortened to 20" or if you are running the velocity lower than common match ammo.

Most factory Remington barrels won't shoot 155's well.
Looks like I'll also roll some 175gr SMK ladders and see what works best.

Thanks for the input and suggestions.
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Or, for a more detailed explanation, start a patch or brush in the rifling. With a sharpie, mark a line along the top of the rod for about 14". Mark a ring around the rod at some repeatable point (where it enters the receiver, rear of the stock, whatever you choose.) Push rod into the bore until the line along the top is back at the top. Mark another ring at the point you used the first time. Remove rod and measure the distance between the rings.
That's what I did.

The barrel is definitely 1-12.
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Looks like I'll also roll some 175gr SMK ladders and see what works best.
Start at 43gr of Varget and end at 44gr of Varget.
2.820" OAL with a 175 SMK.
The sweet spot is usually 43.5
If you don't want to waste the time, just load 43.5
A 26" 308 700 that won't shoot well there usually has a shooter problem.
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I have been curious what my 700V 308 is. I got it new in '86.

All that time. I have been meaning to check with a cleaning rod and patch...

I had loaded for it in the past, but misplaced my notes. Had nice antelope loads of 165bthp Sierra Gameking in Federal match brass, over 4064.

I just got a box of Lapua brass and some 168 SMK's to try. Planned to stick with 4064 since had good results in the past.
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I know the SPS is 1-10, but since we were specifically discussing an older 26" barreled 700P there's no excuse for him to give inaccurate info.
My SPS Varmint (26") purchased in early 2015 was a 1-12". Factory twist rate depends on specifically what model you're talking about.
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Finally checked last night. My '80's Rem 700V BDL is 1-12".

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I have been curious what my 700V 308 is. I got it new in '86.

All that time. I have been meaning to check with a cleaning rod and patch...

I had loaded for it in the past, but misplaced my notes. Had nice antelope loads of 165bthp Sierra Gameking in Federal match brass, over 4064.

I just got a box of Lapua brass and some 168 SMK's to try. Planned to stick with 4064 since had good results in the past.
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I bought a new 700P in 2012 from turners. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured in 1995. I was puzzled by that. Did Remington have an old stash from the 1990s that they decided to sell in 2010s?
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I bought a new 700P in 2012 from turners. Based on the serial number, it was manufactured in 1995.
Is the barrel 24" long or 26" long?
Measure from the muzzle to the center of the gas vent hole on the side of the reciever.
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Is the barrel 24" long or 26" long?
Measure from the muzzle to the center of the gas vent hole on the side of the reciever.
26"
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26"
What letter precedes the serial number?
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What letter precedes the serial number?
Starts with RR
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RR sounds like a new action
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RR sounds like a new action
This is the table I went by
http://guncollectionsonline.com/remingtonmodel700.htm

Correction. I bought it Dec 2014.

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Starts with RR
That's not from 1995 then.
That's a post 2010 receiver.

The first RR prefix 700 receiver I have built on according to my build sheets was in 2013 so that does not agree with what Remington's historian supposedly told someone else about RR prefix starting 2015 to 2017 and definetly does not jive with yours being from 1995.

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Serial number pre-fix letters in the rifle serial number on the receiver will get you to the nearest decade of production.

4,5,6,and 7 digit Model 700 serial numbered receivers-from 1962 to the early 1970's.
A prefix-began in the early 1970's
B prefix-began in the the late 1970's
C prefix-began in the late 80's
D prefix-began mid-late 90's - some recognized by ISS/J Lock firing pins
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F prefix-began mid 2000's
G prefix-late 2000's to early 2010's
RR prefix - after freedom group acquisition

All S/S receiver serial numbers have a prefix letter S
All Titanium receiver serial numbers have a prefix letter T
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Those are barrel codes, not receiver serial number prefixes.
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26" 1:12 308's usually run 175's very well.
You don't need to worry about 175's unless you had the barrel shortened to 20" or if you are running the velocity lower than common match ammo.

Most factory Remington barrels won't shoot 155's well.
I had a guy Sat. at the range ask what bullet I was using? when I told him SMK 175gr he said that they wouldn't shoot well in my 1:12 twist. Then I showed him my targets that were 5 shots 1/2" and less. He said that I must have an odd ball barrel. I told him OK.
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I had a guy Sat. at the range ask what bullet I was using? when I told him SMK 175gr he said that they wouldn't shoot well in my 1:12 twist. Then I showed him my targets that were 5 shots 1/2" and less. He said that I must have an odd ball barrel. I told him OK.
This is 168 SMK from my 700P @200yds, 10 shots. Sorry for upside down photo.

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I had a guy Sat. at the range ask what bullet I was using? when I told him SMK 175gr he said that they wouldn't shoot well in my 1:12 twist. Then I showed him my targets that were 5 shots 1/2" and less. He said that I must have an odd ball barrel. I told him OK.
Some people don't shoot any gun that well and just assume it's a gun problem because they read on the internet that a specific gun/bullet/ammo combination should shoot to X level of accuracy/precision.

Just because the gun will don't mean the shooter will.
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Wait, I thought everything I read on the internet is true!

I feel I'm a decent shooter, but I know in most cases I'm the limitation, not my rifle.

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Just because the gun will don't mean the shooter will.
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I had a guy Sat. at the range ask what bullet I was using? when I told him SMK 175gr he said that they wouldn't shoot well in my 1:12 twist. Then I showed him my targets that were 5 shots 1/2" and less. He said that I must have an odd ball barrel. I told him OK.
Good call on your part.....No reason to engage a "Range Monkey"......
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