New AR Pistol for California, NOT A SINGLE SHOT

[M3Inline6]

Originally Posted by btazhunter

Sorry if this has been covered question:
What the Legal Length for barrel and lower receiver for Folding stock on a Pistol ? Like the Law Tactical folding Stock adapter..

As far as I understand it, a pistol just need not exceed 26”, because at that point it becomes a rifle. I’ve seen pistols with everything from 5” barrels to 12” barrels (..and everything in between). I believe the Law Tactical folding adapter adds to the OAL because it can’t be fired while folded.

[RickD427]

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

As far as I understand it, a pistol just need not exceed 26”, because at that point it becomes a rifle. I’ve seen pistols with everything from 5” barrels to 12” barrels (..and everything in between). I believe the Law Tactical folding adapter adds to the OAL because it can’t be fired while folded.

A pistol never becomes a rifle simply by added barrel length. For a weapon to be a "Rifle" under California law, it must be designed to be fired from the shoulder. Please refer to Penal Code section 17090.

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by M3Inline6

As far as I understand it, a pistol just need not exceed 26”, because at that point it becomes a rifle. I’ve seen pistols with everything from 5” barrels to 12” barrels (..and everything in between). I believe the Law Tactical folding adapter adds to the OAL because it can’t be fired while folded.

Originally Posted by RickD427

A pistol never becomes a rifle simply by added barrel length. For a weapon to be a "Rifle" under California law, it must be designed to be fired from the shoulder. Please refer to Penal Code section 17090.

And, when you have a "pistol" that is over 26" you have a Title One Other. Refer to the FA XO-26.

https://franklinarmory.com/xo-26-r3/


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[Rocketman99]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

It's the only way to BUY a new off-the-shelf complete AR pistol.
You can not BUILD your own that way because it would not be on the roster.

The other way to obtain a AR pistol is to PPT or intra-family transfer it.

Does that mean I can be gifted one from out of state by a family member? As long as it’s configured with CA legal parts.

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by Rocketman99

Does that mean I can be gifted one from out of state by a family member?
As long as it’s configured with CA legal parts.

Yes, as long as the out of state relative is direct bloodline up or down from you.
Cousins, uncles/aunts and brothers/sisters don't work.
Relation to you needs to be your parent/grandparent or child/grandchild.

[RickD427]

Originally Posted by Rocketman99

Does that mean I can be gifted one from out of state by a family member? As long as it’s configured with CA legal parts.

It depends on who the family member is.

[Rocketman99]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

Yes, as long as the out of state relative is direct bloodline up or down from you.
Cousins, uncles/aunts and brothers/sisters don't work.
Relation to you needs to be your parent/grandparent or child/grandchild.

Copy that. Thanks for replying.

[jimbo74]

FINALLY shot mine today for the first time.

AR Maglock gen 4, and kingpin.

Bcm lpk pnt, some random cheap upper. Just magpul front and rear sights. Was pretty accurate, and most of my shots were 1 handed only.

Want to get a shorter barrel, with a slimmer hg, and a tail hook mod 2

Probably going to take the afg off. No real use in having it. I never touched it, in single handed, or shoulder braced firing.

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[Mendo223]

Originally Posted by SmallShark

it is like a normal ar without the gas tube.

you pull the charging handle hard to eject then release it to slam a new round into the chamber.

i love franklin armory and own a CA7, but this is clearly not the first choice for home defense with the bolt action. Other than that this is a very well made firearm! The quality is really nice, its light weight but feels solid.



i do like the two button mag release alot, quicker than the BBs on my RAWs smfh....

[Mendo223]

So what legal modifications can one make to the CA7? Because its fixed mag and single shot can i add a brace or forward grip?

I mostly just want forward grip, maybe VFG? is this legal?

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by Mendo223

So what legal modifications can one make to the CA7?
Because its fixed mag and single shot can i add a brace or forward grip?
I mostly just want forward grip, maybe VFG?
is this legal?

As long as it's not made semi-auto, these Assault weapon restrictions do not apply:

30515.
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning the bearer’s hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

However, the NFA is still a problem without it being semi-auto:

The “any other weapon” definition excludes weapons designed to be fired from the shoulder that are not capable of firing fixed ammunition or a pistol or revolver having a rifled bore.
However, certain alterations to a pistol or revolver, such as the addition of a second vertical handgrip, create a weapon that no longer meets the definition of pistol or revolver.
A pistol or revolver modified as described is an “any other weapon” subject to the NFA because the weapon is not designed to be fired when held in one hand.

https://www.atf.gov/file/58196/downl...58196/download

[Mendo223]

thank you, so has to be one of those flat forward grips like pictured above?

[ar15barrels]

Originally Posted by Mendo223

thank you, so has to be one of those flat forward grips like pictured above?

You should not add ANY sort of 2nd grip to a pistol.
Vertical, angled or straight does not make a difference.
Merely the presence of a 2nd grip is the problem unless the gun is over 26" long so it can't be considered a pistol under federal law.

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by Yuppicide

....Can it be changed to Semi Auto after Purchase?.

That would be manufacturing a semi auto handgun under CA laws and not allowed.

[franklinarmory]

Originally Posted by M1NM

That would be manufacturing a semi auto handgun under CA laws and not allowed.

And what is your statutory reference that shows that a drop tested firearm cannot be modified in such a manner?

[bigstick61]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

You should not add ANY sort of 2nd grip to a pistol.
Vertical, angled or straight does not make a difference.
Merely the presence of a 2nd grip is the problem unless the gun is over 26" long so it can't be considered a pistol under federal law.

IIRC, the Feds require it to be at a 90-degree angle to the handguard for it make the weapon a Title 2 AOW.

[M3Inline6]

Originally Posted by bigstick61

IIRC, the Feds require it to be at a 90-degree angle to the handguard for it make the weapon a Title 2 AOW.

Yes, and hand stops are allowed.

[Mendo223]

Originally Posted by bigstick61

IIRC, the Feds require it to be at a 90-degree angle to the handguard for it make the weapon a Title 2 AOW.

Yes so the one Jimbo posted with 45 degree is legal?

[enorbit3]

Magpul AFG is legal. so is a BCM KAG. and so is the Magpul handstop kit. but I am not a lawyer

[Rocketman99]

Originally Posted by ar15barrels

Yes, as long as the out of state relative is direct bloodline up or down from you.
Cousins, uncles/aunts and brothers/sisters don't work.
Relation to you needs to be your parent/grandparent or child/grandchild.

So I’ve called around to a few LA FFL’s and all of them are telling me that won’t do a pistol transfer on a gifted item from an out of state family member. That say it’s a risk to their license and are not willing to take the risk.

Do you know of an FFL in the LA area that will do a transfer?

[nszzya]

Originally Posted by Rocketman99

So I’ve called around to a few LA FFL’s and all of them are telling me that won’t do a pistol transfer on a gifted item from an out of state family member. That say it’s a risk to their license and are not willing to take the risk.

Do you know of an FFL in the LA area that will do a transfer?

I'm not in LA, but have dealt with several intrafamilial interstate transfers both on the shipping side (WA and AZ) and the receiving side in the SF Bay area. I've had the best luck with independent FFLs (i.e. not gun stores). Gunbroker has an FFL search function that can provide you with some names. Contact those folks and I'm sure you'll find some that are familiar with the process and willing to help you.

[plumbum]

Originally Posted by M1NM

That would be manufacturing a semi auto handgun under CA laws and not allowed.

Manufacturing is creating from raw materials. Modifying is what done to an existing firearm. It is legal to modify your legally DROS'ed, rostered manual repeater firearm to function in a semiautomatic manner, as long as you don't run afoul of AW laws.
It is not legal to manufacture a roster exempt single shot form factor pistol, and then modify that manufactured pistol outside of its single shot status (including modifying it to be a manual repeater or a semiautomatic repeater).

[enorbit3]

Rocketman, try 2A zone in upland. He's a vendor here. Also RTBLA in burbank. Or Angeles Armory in tujunga.