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Compensators and Breaks
Looking for some CA compliant advice. So silencers of any kind are out I get that, but I also don’t want to be the guy at the range blowing the hat off the guy in the next stall with my muzzle break.
Any recommendations for compensators that don’t fall into the CA forbidden zone that do a decent job of dampening sound and concussion? I’ve heard a lot of great things about SJC Titans when it comes to recoil control but how much hot wind will it blow at the person next to me? Open to anything that y’all have good experience with. Currently I’m just scouting YouTube videos but so many just say “yeah feels good” but don’t have any real data to measure blowback and how much the flash will blind you. Thanks in advance for your personal experience. |
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Why are you concerned with the people next to you? Call me a Dick but Ranges are loud. Unless you’re intentionally using it to bother someone, there’s nothing wrong with choosing a brake or compensator that suits your needs.
A good simple brake is the YHM phantom. I’ve enjoyed it a bunch. I also have a strike industries King Comp. Both have worked great on my rifles. |
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I put VG6 Gamma muzzle brakes on almost all of my rifles. They’re decently priced and seem to work pretty good.
If you’re worried about the person next to you at the range, you could throw a CAGE device on them to diffuse the concussion a little. https://www.vg6precision.com/vg6-cage-device |
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I've used Lavang for years when there few choices available. Now there's a but load of the type out in the WWW. Keeps you compliant in Kali.
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Outdoor ranges are loud, and most people understand that, so I'm not sure you need to worry too much about your neighbors. If it is an indoor range, then we all thank you.
Is this for a featureless or fixed mag rifle? If it is fixed mag, you could just use an A2 flash hider or a linear comp, or some other blast forwarding device. If it is for a featureless rifle, then here is an article we wrote about muzzle devices in CA. Avoiding the definition of a flash hider isn't as straightforward as we would like, so it is good to be educated, then make an informed decision. We want this to be a helpful and accurate resource, so if anyone sees something wrong or something we should change, please email or PM us. https://sparrowdynamics.medium.com/f...l-94901d038ddb |
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Thanks for trying to limit my rights Newsome. In case you haven’t noticed, rifles are loud. You could always come up to me and whine about how me shooting a rifle bothers you.
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I find the definitions of the M16/4 us army inc. TM refers to the muzzle fob as a compensater. The gun community at large still calls it a flash hider. I did it too. We are not helping ourselves. You're doing good work. Carry on.
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Thanks for the info. I just built a new featureless kac sr15 upper with an LMT Mars L lower, but when I was getting the doj check today the guy at the shop pointed out my new upper came with a flash suppressor and I’d better swap it out before I commit a felony lol. I will read your article now thanks!
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This has been a HOT topic for some time OP. There are some good muzzle breaks on the market. Just do some research. Use your favorite search engine as long as it isn't Google (LOL). I personally would avoid any muzzle devices that have the "F" word anywhere in the manufacturer's description. Unless you are running full auto you most likely won't notice a difference anyway. B.
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Blast Can?
What about something designed to send the blast downrange, but not reduce the sound or flash? Like this: Blast Can
Can we be friendly to our range buddies without running afoul of CA statutes? Or maybe no one can really know until some poor sod becomes a test case or the statute is overturned by the courts... |
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I have a side baffle brake on my 30 Nosler bolt action, it reduces recoil significantly. It also seems to direct a lot of “extra” noise back towards the shooter. I would never shoot it at a range with someone next to me.
Witt Machine does make a “sound mitigating device” that is supposedly legal https://youtu.be/CHlTqe5Yk2U Last edited by middleofnowhere; 07-03-2022 at 6:55 AM.. |
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^^^ Well, brakes aren't a legal necessity of course. A person should have a valid reason for using one. The "I can't have a flash suppressor, therefore I must use a muzzle brake" thinking is pretty flawed.
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And unless you plan to shoot at night for some reason, you'll never notice any kind of flash at all, let alone be "blinded" by a flash. You'll just notice a little smoke. Maybe kicked-up dust if you're shooting prone. |
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Not 'Muzzle break'. Please don't give the antis more ammo to portray gun owners as ignorant inbred rednecks.
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It's noticeable to the shooter and peanut gallery/observers IME. No substitute for proper ear pro.
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Is linear comps legal for featureless? since it redirects the blast and flash forward of the shooter it literally violates that part of the law that says a flash hider is any device that reduces or redirects the flash away from the shooter regardless of the company marketing materials.
Or did I interpret that wrong?
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I don’t recall ever seeing an AR without a brake, certainly not on anyones that I shoot with. The long range guys all have brakes as well.
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Dude, I almost spit out the coffee. . |
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Sounds like the OP wants a friendlier muzzle fob to calm the range monkies. A well designed LC should do that and keep Kali compliant. Brakes are for recoil, comps are for barrel bounce and LC's are for keeping sound impact forward of the driver. That's my best KISS explanation of those items.
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NOT, away from the shooter, but from the shooter's field of vision. With most muzzle devices, there are two "blasts" we are dealing with. A visible blast (that the definition is concerned about), and the concussive blast that you feel. Many linear comps push the concussive blast forward instead of back and to the sides like a brake does... BUT, with many linear comps, there is still a large visible blast that occurs well within the shooter's field of vision. For reference: Current definition per the California Code of Regulations, Title 11, Division 5, Chapter 39 Assault Weapons and Large-Capacity Magazines, Article 2, § 5471, (r) “Flash suppressor” means any device attached to the end of the barrel, that is designed, intended, or functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter’s field of vision. A hybrid device that has either advertised flash suppressing properties or functionally has flash suppressing properties would be deemed a flash suppressor. A device labeled or identified by its manufacturer as a flash hider would be deemed a flash suppressor. The definition is still vague in many parts. Like, what exactly is a perceptible difference, and to who's perception? The shooter's perception? How wide and tall is the shooter's field of vision? Do they mean just the target area (past the scope or sights) that the shooter is focused on, or do they include a bigger area of normal eyesight? These are just rhetorical questions. The DOJ didn't give any guidance on any of this in the definition or in the FSR (final statement of reasons), so we only can guess and make up answers. |
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He's not trying to change your behavior by force of law, so calling him a Newsom seems a bit harsh. He's echoing the sentiment that you originally mentioned- that someone who is inconsiderate of others in a group setting is a Dick.
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Shooting a rifle at a range is now “inconsiderate”? Oh man, you guys needs some thicker skin and better ear pro.
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This discussion has me wondering what i should mount on my ar pistol to redirect the monster bark.
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No one said that shooting a rifle at a range was inconsiderate. .
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This is a compensator:
This is a break:
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I still think that guy's explanation makes the most sense from a physics point of view. Quote:
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All linear here except the AR-47. That one has a 3 sided brake. A friend shot it next to me and the side air blast blew my hat off my head, I moved.
I use Levang, BTR and KAW. All work well. |
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Is it just me or is there an inordinate percentage of thick women in that shot?
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The Hypertap gets my vote.
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But, a 944 is not a compensator, a 911 is.
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My rifles have muzzle brakes, makes magnums a pleasure to shoot and as far as I can tell, the game doesn't hear the shot, they just drop........
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