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Old 08-13-2019, 10:56 AM
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I just went into the local shop to get some trap and dove loads for the upcoming season. I was informed that even though I just got a new ID in May, since it isn't a california Real ID I cannot buy ammunition. I would need to get my social security card mailed from my parents and then apply for a real ID which will take 2-4 weeks to receive. Since the season starts in just over 2 weeks. Is it legal for my wife to buy me ammunition since she has the Real ID?
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:58 AM
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You can still buy ammo even without real i.d. unless of course that's not the only reason why you think you may be denied.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:05 AM
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You can still buy ammo even without real i.d. unless of course that's not the only reason why you think you may be denied.
My ID was renewed in May. My new ID says "federal limits apply" The shop clerk at two shops both said if it says "federal limits apply" they can't sell me ammo?
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this ammo law is for the birds!!!!
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this ammo law is for the birds!!!!
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First You don't need a real ID to buy ammo, that part of the law got dropped off. Whoever told you that is not up to date.

Go to Walmart. If you have bought a gun in the last 5 years they do a background check on you which costs $1 and is quick and you walk out with your ammo.

If you haven't bought a gun in the last 5 years it then goes back to 16 years if you haven't moved, and your address hasn't changed. if you have moved then you will have to wait for a "complete background check" which will cost you $19 and and take up to a month to come back then you can pick up your ammo.

I was just told that they are coming back in a few days right now.

All this info was just told to me by MY LGS which actually knows what they are doing and can be taken as gospel.

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First You don't need a real ID to buy ammo, that part of the law got dropped off. Whoever told you that is not up to date.

Go to Walmart. If you have bought a gun in the last 5 years they do a background check on you which costs $1 and is quick and you walk out with your ammo.

If you haven't bought a gun in the last 5 years it then goes back to 16 years if you haven't moved, and your address hasn't changed. if you have moved then you will have to wait for a "complete background check" which will cost you $19 and and take up to a month to come back then you can pick up your ammo.

I was just told that they are coming back in a few days right now.

All this info was just told to me by MY LGS which actually knows what they are doing and can be taken as gospel.

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Your LGS gospel is not correct. To use a Federal Limits Apply ID, the purchaser needs to also provide a supporting document, like a birth certificate or passport.

Also, it's not necessarily about when you last bought a gun, but rather if you have a gun in AFS, and whether or not your info is up to date in relation to that gun purchase.
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Your LGS gospel is not correct. To use a Federal Limits Apply ID, the purchaser needs to also provide a supporting document, like a birth certificate or passport.

Also, it's not necessarily about when you last bought a gun, but rather if you have a gun in AFS, and whether or not your info is up to date in relation to that gun purchase.
The Limits ID is what you get if you apply for a real ID online, and yes you do need a supporting doc.

But you can still buy with a Regular ID just fine. Same rules apply.

Just the cornfusion we are seeing on this thread is what will get this law overturned. It was designed to do exactly what is happening. Disrupt the sale of ammo! Therefore it "Infringes" and will get shot down because of it.

Nobody knows what they are talking about including me, and that is the only real fact here! The DOJ is no help whatsoever. We called today with a question and they told us to talk to a lawyer!

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First You don't need a real ID to buy ammo, that part of the law got dropped off. Whoever told you that is not up to date.

Go to Walmart. If you have bought a gun in the last 5 years they do a background check on you which costs $1 and is quick and you walk out with your ammo.

If you haven't bought a gun in the last 5 years it then goes back to 16 years if you haven't moved, and your address hasn't changed. if you have moved then you will have to wait for a "complete background check" which will cost you $19 and and take up to a month to come back then you can pick up your ammo.

I was just told that they are coming back in a few days right now.

All this info was just told to me by MY LGS which actually knows what they are doing and can be taken as gospel.

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Sorry to tell you this, but your local gun store does not know squat about the new law then. Your information is incorrect and unfortunately, your LGS should get re-educated about the law.

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Your LGS gospel is not correct. To use a Federal Limits Apply ID, the purchaser needs to also provide a supporting document, like a birth certificate or passport.

Also, it's not necessarily about when you last bought a gun, but rather if you have a gun in AFS, and whether or not your info is up to date in relation to that gun purchase.
This right here is 100% correct. I have a Federal Limits Apply and use this with my passport and purchase at WM all the time. Already made an appointment to get the Real ID but earliest appointment that could be made at all of the local DMVs in my area (3 different cities nearby) is a month and a half out.
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Just spoke to both of my local stores. They said they will not accept a Passport along with a Federal limits apply ID. So I guess i'm not hunting this season.
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Just spoke to both of my local stores. They said they will not accept a Passport along with a Federal limits apply ID. So I guess i'm not hunting this season.
Where do you live? How far you willing to drive? Folks might be able to give you a recommendation that's not too far from you. Seems a waste to throw away a whole season rather than drive somewhere within a few hours to get what you need.
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Already made an appointment to get the Real ID but earliest appointment that could be made at all of the local DMVs in my area (3 different cities nearby) is a month and a half out.
Yeah me and my wife tried to make appointments but didn't feel like waiting for months. so we just went to the DMV at 4PM and got a number and waited in the line that had two people in front of us and had our Real ID's in less than 30 minutes.

You should try that unless you can't understand plain English like in my post above. I never said anything about a Federal Limits Apply ID. That's only for people who didn't go to the DMV to get their Real ID and did it online like you did. If you had read the sign that said you had to go to the DMV in person with your documents you would have gotten the right ID card the first time. Now you get to do it over again correctly.

It's really a good idea to read posts you think you disagree with a couple of times to see if you actually understand what they said, before you write your response.

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Yeah me and my wife tried to make appointments but didn't feel like waiting for months. so we just went to the DMV at 4PM and got a number and waited in the line that had two people in front of us and had our Real ID's in less than 30 minutes.

You should try that unless you can't understand plain English like in my post above. I never said anything about a Federal Limits Apply ID. That's only for people who didn't go to the DMV to get their Real ID and did it online like you did. If you had read the sign that said you had to go to the DMV in person with your documents you would have gotten the right ID card the first time. Now you get to do it over again correctly.

It's really a good idea to read posts you think you disagree with a couple of times to see if you actually understand what they said, before you write your response.

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Maybe you should start by reading your response to the OP. He stated that he does not have a Real ID and he does not have a SS card. As a result, you indicated that he does not need a Real ID. You then recommended that he go to Walmart and buy the ammo after paying the fee. The problem is that if he goes to Walmart and does not have a Real ID, then he will need a SS card, original birth certificate, or a passport along with his Federal Limits Apply ID as Walmart won't let him buy ammo without a Real ID (with no other documents) or a standard ID/"Federal Limits Apply" with a passport or SS Card or Birth Certificate. Since the OP stated that he does not have a SS Card that is where I recommended a passport.

So, rather than give me a bit of grief, read your response and make sure that you are giving correct information. If your local gun store is selling ammo with the FL Apply DL and no supporting documents, then they are still misinformed but who am I other than some stranger on the internet? But hey, you've obviously read your posts a couple of times before giving out your advice I see...
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First You don't need a real ID to buy ammo, that part of the law got dropped off. Whoever told you that is not up to date.

Go to Walmart. If you have bought a gun in the last 5 years they do a background check on you which costs $1 and is quick and you walk out with your ammo.

If you haven't bought a gun in the last 5 years it then goes back to 16 years if you haven't moved, and your address hasn't changed. if you have moved then you will have to wait for a "complete background check" which will cost you $19 and and take up to a month to come back then you can pick up your ammo.

I was just told that they are coming back in a few days right now.

All this info was just told to me by MY LGS which actually knows what they are doing and can be taken as gospel.

Randy
I don't know what state you are in but it is not California. If you have a Federal Limits Apply in the upper right of your license, you need, additionally, another type of ID. What works for me is a Certified Copy of my Birth Certificate. This is what the law requires.
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I don't know what state you are in but it is not California. If you have a Federal Limits Apply in the upper right of your license, you need, additionally, another type of ID. What works for me is a Certified Copy of my Birth Certificate. This is what the law requires.
MY gawd !!!! I never said anything about a "Federal Limits Apply License." You are about the 15th person who went down this road talking about one of these useless ID's that only people who didn't read the instructions got in the first place. Read the entire thread!

Did you shred your original License? Why not just use that? You don't need a Second Doc if you use that.

You guys got yourself into this issue by not reading the instructions on the DMV Website which clearly state that you must go to the DMV in person with your backup Docs to get your "Real ID!" It is as simple as that and you could still do it! And it would take less time to do than the all the stupid posts on this thread!

It doesn't affect me in any way. If it affects you then deal with it!

Not my Problem!

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My understanding from fellow shooters is that my local Walmart is asking for real I.D or no ammo!!
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My understanding from fellow shooters is that my local Walmart is asking for real I.D or no ammo!!
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I just went into the local shop to get some trap and dove loads for the upcoming season. I was informed that even though I just got a new ID in May, since it isn't a california Real ID I cannot buy ammunition. I would need to get my social security card mailed from my parents and then apply for a real ID which will take 2-4 weeks to receive. Since the season starts in just over 2 weeks.
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See above requirements for using the “Federal Limits Apply” DL for ammo purchasers.
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Real ID:

The SS Card isn’t required...you can use a pay stub or W-2!....here’s the DMV’s list. And, the DMV tells you it will take 2-4 weeks to receive the license. However, everybody I’ve talked to about this (including myself ) has received it within 7 days. (As always, YMMV.)
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Straw purchase. You could look at it that way.
Or, one could look at the statute: CA PC 30312
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(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction
(c) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following
(10) A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.
Drive her to the store.
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dros on ammo is 10 days unless undetermined then 30 days. Yes your wife can buy ammo.
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dros on ammo is 10 days unless undetermined then 30 days. Yes your wife can buy ammo.
Wrong. Basic eligibility check is taking a couple days currently, on average. Also, there is no 30 days maximum for ammo, as there is for gun purchases.

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BagelBites, all the reasons mentioned above is exactly why I purchased ammo before all these lousy laws went into effect. They suck. Also, you have the same avatar I use on 24 hour campfire.com.
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Can his wife buy ammo for him or not??
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Straw purchase. You could look at it that way.

When and how she shoots it though is her prerogative.
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Spouses can give ammo to each other. See (10) below.

30312.**

(a)*(1)*Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2)*When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.

(b)*Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.

(c)*Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to the sale, delivery, or transfer of ammunition to any of the following:

(1)*An authorized law enforcement representative of a city, county, city and county, or state or federal government, if the sale, delivery, or transfer is for exclusive use by that government agency and, prior to the sale, delivery, or transfer of the ammunition, written authorization from the head of the agency employing the purchaser or transferee is obtained, identifying the employee as an individual authorized to conduct the transaction, and authorizing the transaction for the exclusive use of the agency employing the individual.

(2)*A sworn peace officer, as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, or sworn federal law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry a firearm in the course and scope of the officer’s duties.

(3)*An importer or manufacturer of ammunition or firearms who is licensed to engage in business pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(4)*A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6 of this title.

(5)*A person whose licensed premises are outside this state and who is licensed as a dealer or collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(6)*A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.

(7)*An ammunition vendor.

(8)*A consultant-evaluator.

(9)*A person who purchases or receives ammunition at a target facility holding a business or other regulatory license, provided that the ammunition is at all times kept within the facility’s premises.

(10)*A person who purchases or receives ammunition from a spouse, registered domestic partner, or immediate family member as defined in Section 16720.

(11)*A person enrolled in the basic training academy for peace officers or any other course certified by the Commission on Peace Officer Standards and Training, an instructor of the academy or course, or a staff member of the academy or entity providing the course, who is purchasing the ammunition for the purpose of participation or use in the course.

(d)*A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.
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I just went into the local shop to get some trap and dove loads for the upcoming season. I was informed that even though I just got a new ID in May, since it isn't a california Real ID I cannot buy ammunition. I would need to get my social security card mailed from my parents and then apply for a real ID which will take 2-4 weeks to receive. Since the season starts in just over 2 weeks. Is it legal for my wife to buy me ammunition since she has the Real ID?
As an adult you should have your Social Security card not your parents.
Why didn't you get a real ID back in May?
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As an adult you should have your Social Security card not your parents.
Why didn't you get a real ID back in May?
I renewed last October brought birth certificate, SS card, passport & DD214 which DMV was clueless about but did not have a paper copy of gas/electric bill so they would not issue a real, at that time needed by October 2020 to fly I figured since no pl@ns to fly screw it. I have had a CA driver license for over 50 years
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I renewed last October brought birth certificate, SS card, passport & DD214 which DMV was clueless about but did not have a paper copy of gas/electric bill so they would not issue a real, at that time needed by October 2020 to fly I figured since no pl@ns to fly screw it. I have had a CA driver license for over 50 years
You could have had a Real ID by following the instructions at the DMV site as to what documents you needed.

DD214 does nothing for DMV. If you had taken it to a VA resource office they would have given you the form needed to take to DMV if you wanted VET on your Real ID.
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As an adult you should have your Social Security card not your parents.
Why didn't you get a real ID back in May?
As an adult I basically never need my social security card and its just fine locked in a safe back home. Secondly if I did have my social security card it would be locked up in my safe at my apartment right next to my passport, which is 4hrs away from where i'm at right now and for the next few weeks at my house.

I didn't get a real ID back in May because I didn't have time since I was going on a road trip. Also they don't tell you anywhere you can't buy ammo without one. All it said was you need one to fly after Oct 2020, so I didn't feel in a huge rush. Thanks for your post, it was very helpful!
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Old 08-13-2019, 4:33 PM
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As an adult I basically never need my social security card and its just fine locked in a safe back home. Secondly if I did have my social security card it would be locked up in my safe at my apartment right next to my passport, which is 4hrs away from where i'm at right now and for the next few weeks at my house.

I didn't get a real ID back in May because I didn't have time since I was going on a road trip. Also they don't tell you anywhere you can't buy ammo without one. All it said was you need one to fly after Oct 2020, so I didn't feel in a huge rush. Thanks for your post, it was very helpful!
I love it when people make their one problems then get ****ty with others.
The Real ID issuance has been discussed over and over. It isn't our problem or the ammo sellers problem that you can't be an adult!
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Old 08-13-2019, 4:56 PM
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I love it when people make their one problems then get ****ty with others.
The Real ID issuance has been discussed over and over. It isn't our problem or the ammo sellers problem that you can't be an adult!
I just get pissy when someone starts to tell me how I need to act as an adult. The social security card is a non issue, so people can mind their own ****ing business on that one.

Having the social, passport, etc doesn't change anything for the fact were 2 weeks out from dove season and I don't have a real ID. I'm not a gun fanatic, other hobbies take up my time. So I don't sit here and go over details of every law thats passing. Even after reading about the background checks at no point did I read anything about the real idea. So you can mozy right along now, you aren't helping.
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Old 08-13-2019, 4:58 PM
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I just get pissy when someone starts to tell me how I need to act as an adult. The social security card is a non issue, so people can mind their own ****ing business on that one.

Having the social, passport, etc doesn't change anything for the fact were 2 weeks out from dove season and I don't have a real ID. I'm not a gun fanatic, other hobbies take up my time. So I don't sit here and go over details of every law thats passing. Even after reading about the background checks at no point did I read anything about the real idea. So you can mozy right along now, you aren't helping.
You don't need a real ID to purchase ammo. Go somewhere else. You will need an additional supporting document though such as your SS card (your parents can mail it to you) or birth certificate, etc..

ETA: actually I'm not sure if SS proves citizenship..so probably passport / birth certificate are the correct docs...
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Old 08-13-2019, 3:00 PM
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Is it a straw purchase when parent buys ammo for their kids to shoot>? NO
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Have her buy the ammo and go shoot it up!!! OH! and have fun.
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There is no question on the ammo DROS that says anything about not giving away the ammo legally. There's nothing you sign that says "This ammo is for me and just me", etc.. so wife can buy and give to husband no problem.
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I was told by Turners needed real ID even my military ID won’t work could bring passport I guess
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Direct text from Prop 63

30306. (a) Any person, corporation, or firm, or other business enterprise who supplies, delivers, sells, or gives possession or control of, any ammunition to any person who he or she knows or using reasonable care should know is prohibited from owning, possessing, or having under custody or control, any ammunition or reloaded ammunition pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 30305, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.(b)

Does not having a real ID make someone prohibited?
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30306. (a) Any person, corporation, or firm, or other business enterprise who supplies, delivers, sells, or gives possession or control of, any ammunition to any person who he or she knows or using reasonable care should know is prohibited from owning, possessing, or having under custody or control, any ammunition or reloaded ammunition pursuant to subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 30305, is guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year, or a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment.(b)

Does not having a real ID make someone prohibited?
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