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Old 09-17-2019, 1:48 PM
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In a few weeks I'm planning on buying an AR-15. I'm not planning on buying anything fancy as my budget is around $1200.

Being a complete newb to AR's thought I ask you guys, what would you buy?
Also where in Bay Area should I go for the best deal?

Gun Shop I usually go to recommended Springfield Saint.
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Buy the cheapest stripped lower available (metal, not plastic) at your local FFL. Probably $150 after taxes & fees.
Buy a BCM upper receiver group and be sure to include their BCG from the drop down box. (~$800). https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...w-kmr-a-15.htm
Buy a lower build kit with a fixed stock ($139). https://www.aeroprecisionusa.com/ar1...ower-build-kit
Iron sights $50 after coupon. https://gun.deals/product/magpul-gen...r-code-mbusset

Buy the featureless grip of your choice and assemble the lower. You'll have a BCM rifle for $1200, which is about as good as it gets. And this is coming from a guy that doesn't even have a BCM rifle...
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$1200 is a lot for an AR unless you are adding optics on that.

If its for range and section 8 zombie use then no need to spend $1200 . My $650 ar will bang gongs at 300 with ease and function
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Get an Anderson lower and whatever rifle kit PSA has that you like.

Then pin the stock in whatever position you like, add whatever featureless grip you like, cheap muzzle break off ebay and sights depending what kit you get. Spend the rest on ammo.
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Do you really want a 1200$ AR? I usually spend around 600$ and they get beat to hell hunting and never miss a beat. 1200$ is for something fancy.
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Guys I am clueless when it comes to AR's and what they cost, I was just going by what I've seen at the local gun shop. They had about 8 on display and most were out of my price range. The SA Saint was about $1k at the gun shop, so I figured if I spend around $1200 I could get something like Saint or slightly better. If I can get something that's good quality for $6-700, that's even better. Guess prices came down a lot in last few years.

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$1200 for a Colt (while they still sell them).
is this a range toy or a self defense weapon?
i don't skimp on anything that i have to count on for more than fun.
failures are ok at the range, but not when zombies are pouring over the walls.
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Being a complete newb to AR's thought I ask you guys, what would you buy?
If I was a complete newb and wanted an AR to just play round with, Iíd probably buy a Smith&Wesson Sport.

https://www.turners.com/smith-and-we...t-ii-55-472441

But Iím not you. The questions to be answered are: what do you plan on using the rifle for? Is this going to be your only AR? Etc.

For example, if I wanted a rifle for hunting gophers/etc Iíd skip the sport and look for a target/varmint upper and build out the rest of therifle.

It all depends...

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Guys I am clueless when it comes to AR's and what they cost, I was just going by what I've seen at the local gun shop. They had about 8 on display and most were out of my price range. The SA Saint was about $1k at the gun shop, so I figured if I spend around $1200 I could get something like Saint or slightly better. If I can get something that's good quality for $6-700, that's even better. Guess prices came down a lot in last few years.
GoldCountrySports in Newcastle often does Gun Shows and you can try out several Demos and get custom configurations to your liking, including Mag lock and featureless. Therefore you have more flexibility on your build. I have a Anderson Upper/Lower/Handgaurd in 223/556 for 650 and its great. Give them a call or visit them at the Gun Shows. There is also the Daly City Cross Roads Gun Show this weekend.

https://www.goldcountrysports.com/RISA.html
https://www.facebook.com/GoldCountrySports/

You can also try Turners who range from lower to higher brand names. Nearest is Modesto and Salinas. Great staff and great Ammo deals.

https://www.turners.com/guns-rifles-...ce-low-to-high

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This will be a range toy, something to have fun with, wouldn’t be my go to for self defense.
I don’t think it will be my only AR, I’m sure eventually I’ll get another.
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GoldCountrySports in Newcastle often does Gun Shows and you can try out several Demos and get custom configurations to your liking, including Mag lock and featureless. Therefore you have more flexibility on your build. I have a Anderson Upper/Lower/Handgaurd in 223/556 for 650 and its great. Give them a call or visit them at the Gun Shows. There is also the Daly City Cross Roads Gun Show this weekend.

https://www.goldcountrysports.com/RISA.html
https://www.facebook.com/GoldCountrySports/

You can also try Turners who range from lower to higher brand names. Nearest is Modesto and Salinas. Great staff and great Ammo deals.

https://www.turners.com/guns-rifles-...ce-low-to-high

For all newbe

AR15 Primer - A Beginner's Guide

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=555451

Thank you, already got tickets to the gun show, will definitely check that out.
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If you’re going to end up with more than one AR like most folks I suggest a build. Either ultra light, heavy target, or standard beater gun.
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but not when zombies are pouring over the walls.
Itís too loud.

Itís too LOUD!
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Here you go Op. start with this.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1558858
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Buy a used AR for $500 from someone here. Or buy a cheapo for $600 at a store.
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Should be able to get 3 AR's for $1200.
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$1200 can get your border line fancy. Get a nice lower from your LGS, I got LMT for $99 from turners

Add LaRue Ultimate upper kit in ANY flavor your wan equal 16" or longer for $792. 14.5" 556 to 20" 556 bench guns, or 20" 6.5G and shoot 1000yards. You will have a pretty kick *** gun for $950 + optics.

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That's nice....really nice.
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In a few weeks I'm planning on buying an AR-15. I'm not planning on buying anything fancy as my budget is around $1200.

Being a complete newb to AR's thought I ask you guys, what would you buy?
Also where in Bay Area should I go for the best deal?

Gun Shop I usually go to recommended Springfield Saint.
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That's nice....really nice.
It's really a great place to start IMO. Close to your budget. It will work great. Probably the only AR you'll ever "need".

If you take a liking to the platform, you can always build one/some later.
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In a few weeks I'm planning on buying an AR-15. I'm not planning on buying anything fancy as my budget is around $1200.
That's a good budget in today's AR market.

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$1200 is a lot for an AR unless you are adding optics on that.
Yep, consider an entry level AR from one of the big names and spend what's left of your budget on Black Friday on optics and/or a trigger upgrade.

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This will be a range toy, something to have fun with, wouldnít be my go to for self defense.
I donít think it will be my only AR, Iím sure eventually Iíll get another.
You'll inevitably upgrade and acquire tools necessary to upgrade your ARs, it's part of the allure and pleasure to owning an AR.

My suggestion to your initial question is to buy a stripped lower, then a build kit from Tom's Tactical, or a rifle kit from PSA. It's really easy to assemble a lower, require only the minimal tools you should have anyway to maintain your AR properly, and you'll have a better understanding of your rifle.
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Should be able to get 3 AR's for $1200.

$400 AR's are best known for their impeccable quality and reliability

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Let us not deceive this guy into thinking he can get a decent AR for around $500 or whatever.

Actually his $1,200 is just right for a decent entry level AR at about $700-800 with tax, dros, shipping etc ... leaving enough room for him to get decent sights, an optic, magazines and all the other Sh*+ we like to put on our AR's.
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Aero precision Gen 2 lower and PSA freedom upper...
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Go buy 2 or 3 stripped lowers before the state passes the law to make it so you can only DROS one longgun or receiver every 30 days like handguns. Or get an M&P sport and a couple stripped receivers. Andersons can be had for $50, Aero's for $55.

$1,200 will get you a premium AR15 these days. Thats way overkill if you just want a basic AR. Hell, even a Colt LE6920 is $900 all day long.

Featureless is the only way to go. Dont even mess with fixed mag, its stupid and a waste of money.
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$400 AR's are best known for their impeccable quality and reliability

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Let us not deceive this guy into thinking he can get a decent AR for around $500 or whatever.

Actually his $1,200 is just right for a decent entry level AR at about $700-800 with tax, dros, shipping etc ... leaving enough room for him to get decent sights, an optic, magazines and all the other Sh*+ we like to put on our AR's.
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I built my $50 lower with a $275 Colt sporter parts kit from arfcom. Hasn't failed yet...
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$400 AR's are best known for their impeccable quality and reliability

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Let us not deceive this guy into thinking he can get a decent AR for around $500 or whatever.

Actually his $1,200 is just right for a decent entry level AR at about $700-800 with tax, dros, shipping etc ... leaving enough room for him to get decent sights, an optic, magazines and all the other Sh*+ we like to put on our AR's.
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Truth be told all of the rifles I still have are 400 or less and none of them have had any failures whatsoever. All range rifles some built with used parts. You can assemble a very well functioning rifle for under 500.00 I have to disagree with you on this one. When the gunrange had three Anderson lowers for 100 bucks I had to give it a go. I am super happy with all of my cheap rifles.
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I can put together an AR for free from parts just laying around my house. But we all know its not. We also know it took a very long time to get to a point where I can build an AR without spending a dime. The OP is a new guy with no experience. He's not going to be able to do what more experienced guys can do. Between assembling a safe and functioning rifle as well as experience in the marketplace for parts.

Telling him he can build an AR for $400 is not helpful. Everybody knows he will spend at least twice that and more.

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You could make a hell of an M16A4 clone with this genuine Colt upper for $380. Just replace the flashhider and pistol grip. The M16A1-A4 series already has a fixed stock.

https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-A.../m16a4-sur.htm

You could also just get a Colt LE6920 upper for $640
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-A...p/le6920ck.htm

This supply will dry up fast now that Colt has stopped making ARs for the civilian market.
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I can put together an AR for free from parts just laying around my house. But we all know its not. We also know it took a very long time to get to a point where I can build an AR without spending a dime. The OP is a new guy with no experience. He's not going to be able to do what more experienced guys can do. Between assembling a safe and functioning rifle as well as experience in the marketplace for parts.

Telling him he can build an AR for $400 is not helpful. Everybody knows he will spend at least twice that and more.
Just because he said he is new to the platform does not mean we can judge his capabilities at assembling an AR rifle. We had no experience at one time as well and I can tell you I did not spend twice that on my first build.
Some advice to the OP, I see you are in Daly City, I know itís a drive but the guys over at ammunition supply point ( ASP ) in Vacaville would be a good place to check out. Seriously consider saving some of that 1200 for an optic or Ammo. Buy what you like by all means, maybe you start out with a less expensive build to find out what you like and donít like. Learning to assemble it yourself is good piece of mind. Smith and Wesson M&P rifles are a great choice to consider as a first time buyer so give them a look too. Another one to look into is Aero Precision. They can be a little higher in price compared to the S&W but they have very good fit and finish for the price point. If you are a Mildley mechanical person you can assemble an AR. Itís not hocus pocus like some make it out to be.
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Is this going to be your only AR?

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building an AR from parts should be simple.
i say this not because i have done it, or because i own one.

i say this because i have read hundreds of threads started by folks that tried to build their own AR and could not get it to run properly.
once you get the right combination of ammo, barrel, gas, bcg weight, buffer weight and spring rate, you're good to go. all you need is a good proven recipe.

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Hold off!!
We are about to make a huge announcement!!

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Love my Thordsen stock! Curious as H E double hockey sticks as to what this announcement is going to be.

Please make a featureless stock for the PTRs and HKs
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building an AR from parts should be simple.
i say this not because i have done it, or because i own one.

i say this because i have read hundreds of threads started by folks that tried to build their own AR and could not get it to run properly.
once you get the right combination of ammo, barrel, gas, bcg weight, buffer weight and spring rate, you're good to go. all you need is a good proven recipe.
Or you could just buy a quality complete barreled upper receiver. Never had a problem with a good quality factory built upper.
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Love my Thordsen stock! Curious as H E double hockey sticks as to what this announcement is going to be.

Please make a featureless stock for the PTRs and HKs
I am guessing they are selling complete rifles now maybe? I love my Thordsen as well!
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Thank you for all the suggestions. I'm not opposed to building my own, I built a few engines so I don't think I will have major issues building a AR. . However for my first one I wanted it to be build by a reputable company, that way I can get familiar with it. I'm looking at couple of AR's that members are selling here in the classifieds.
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Love my Thordsen stock! Curious as H E double hockey sticks as to what this announcement is going to be.

Please make a featureless stock for the PTRs and HKs
Our GEN III is compatible with the PTR and HK. The problems is that by the time you buy the AR pistol grip receiver and all the other parts + the stock kit you're into it for about $500.

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I'm in the same position as you and I plan on building it. I was planning on getting a Colt LE6920 but they put news out saying they weren't making anymore for civvies and all the rifles I was interested in sold out while I was at work.

I've heard great things about BCM
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If you have a $1200 budget I’d just buy a basic BCM in 16 or 20” and throw a grip wrap on it.
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