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Old 09-12-2019, 7:39 AM
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I spit up my drink when I saw an answer by TTBOY.

I guess I watch too much porn.
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[QUOTE=Crazed_SS;23402182]Trying to escape CA's lunacy by going somewhere else is eventually going to be a fool's errand... I used to think Florida was a great place to be a gun owner.. Not anymore..

Look at this bill being proposed there.
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...P5NHwHwCnBIdHE

They're about to have a harder AW ban than us.[/QUOTE]

From the article, I looks like the gun is not an AW unless it has >10 rd feeding device>
The measure defines an assault weapon as “semi-automatic rifles and shotguns capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition at once, either in fixed or detachable magazine, or any other ammunition-feeding device.”
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Old 09-12-2019, 7:45 AM
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Confiscation now, due process later? Somehow I don't see that being allowed with the US Constitution. General Gage tried that in Massachusetts in 1775, it didn't work out so well for the British.

Which is why those laws were passed and allowed to remain in effect by the SCOTUS. They are not looking out for you, me or anyone else.
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Old 09-12-2019, 8:48 AM
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For many people, and I know some on here will find this hard to believe, the definition of 'quality of life' does not begin, and end, with what firearms civilians are allowed to buy.
No, but the broader concepts of consumer choice in a free market, economic mobility, freedom, opportunity, equal protection under the law, freedom of assembly, and egregious taxation are definitely a good chunk of the definition. Your free-market decision making power being limited directly in this particular instance is just a symptom of a larger problem.

It's like you're purposefully ignorant of what's right in front of you.

Also your stereotypically superficial understanding of what it's like outside of California is almost comedic, if it weren't so sad. Yeah dude, the rest of the country is completely worthless, nothing good ever came out of the other 49 states. California exceptionalism. Gag me.
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if i leave my parents will be alone, and dad has cancer. i have 22 yrs in one of the last few companies that offer a pension and good health benefits. but that doesnít stop me from torturing myself by looking at listings in florida lol-that and the pics of my brothers latest gun purchase (he lives near spikes tactical)


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i am here in california for the second amendment fight but i would be curious as to what sfarchitect will say the next time he is avoiding human feces on the Sf sidewalks while ducking bullets from a criminals shooting at him in SF where criminals use their choice of weapons while sfarchitect is forbidden to have any. what kind of quality of life do we call that? You can only defy the odds so long.
Did you consider that his chosen lifestyle includes walking daily through a feces strewn hepatitis mine field trying to identify inbound bullets by make or style?
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Old 09-12-2019, 9:06 AM
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Speaking of Florida, your vote counts more directly in national elections than in California and in most other states in the union, because it does have a diverse electorate. Also, you still have two senators split amongst fewer voters.

I lived in Florida for a while, my main grievance was the hurricanes and if you live anywhere coastal you will need to run your sump 24/7 to keep the basement dry since most of it is marshland. I'll take an earthquake over a hurricane, thanks. But, otherwise, the beaches were comparable to what you'll get here in SoCal, water's warmer on the gulf side, too. The south is hot and sticky, but I think a lot of people don't give it enough credit-- it's great for outdoorsy stuff, just remember to hydrate.
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Iíve already moved to Texas. Surrendered my California ID and waiting for my Texas one to arrive. In California for a couple more weeks b4 Iím gone for good. Canít wait!
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.

Some people are fighting back

As gun control advocates see more of their proposed policies become law, another group with a decidedly different aim is also gaining momentum. It’s a loose network of local officials who are refusing to enforce the new laws, which include measures to require universal background checks, or ban assault weapons, or temporarily remove firearms from those deemed a danger to themselves or others.

The name for this new tactic is “nullification,” and the localities that are practicing it are calling themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries” — a tactic that, ironically, was partly inspired by efforts to establish immigration and marijuana sanctuaries.

In some cases, county sheriffs have publicly said they will not enforce the new laws. This has happened in at least six states: Nevada, New Mexico, Washington, Colorado, Oregon, and Illinois.

In Washington, sheriffs in more than half of the counties have refused to enforce new gun regulations. One, Bob Songer of Klickitat County, has gone even further — saying he might prevent state and federal police from enforcing them.

In Nevada, one sheriff who recently refused to enforce a new gun law wrote a letter to the governor likening the measure to Hitler’s gun policies.
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Old 09-12-2019, 3:27 PM
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Im waiting for the boogaloo.

Everyone knows its coming. Or else it wouldnt be a meme.
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We are done with CA. Between the insane house prices, high prices for pretty much everything else, the constant traffic, fighting for parking spots, etc we are tired of this state. The gun grabbing makes it worse. The only thing the state has to offer is good weather. But it leeches your life in return.

Moving to Arizona end of the year; weather sucks for about 4-5 months there, but other things more than make up for it. Their gun laws are the icing.
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Old 09-12-2019, 9:13 PM
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Its been at least a few days since we've had a 'California sucks' thread.



For many people, and I know some on here will find this hard to believe, the definition of 'quality of life' does not begin, and end, with what firearms civilians are allowed to buy.

Leave, good riddance.
For a happy change, you're right. I left because I was tired of the pollution, the crowding, the horrible traffic, high taxes and craziness of the political leadership in California. Yeah, the better gun laws are nice but the better EVERYTHING else is why we left.
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Old 09-12-2019, 9:38 PM
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The problem I'm experiencing is all the places I'm considering in free states have already been overrun by leftists and the prices for a house have been driven up to San Francisco/Marin County levels.

Leftists always pick the nicest conservative places in the nation to invade and destroy.

Why are leftists fleeing the utopia they created in California, New York, New Jersey, and Illinois if it's so good? They're effing hypocrites of the first order.
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Old 09-13-2019, 7:20 AM
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There is a place for everyone in this great big land. California for all its scenic beauty isnít the CA it was when I rotated out the first time (years ago) 30 years ago.

Frankly CA is lost, and it needs to suffer the slow, painful death 💀 brought on by its elected and constituents conscious or oblivious decisions. Let CA, IL, NY and Detroit serve as reminders and rallying calls to places like TX, TN or Honest Outlaw Iowa.

If anyone thinks they can save CA from its self inflicted wounds, Iíll loan you a 5-gallon bucket and put you on the aft deck of SS CA (Titanic).

In 1 working day I am vested and Weapons Free to relocate the wife and I.

Sheíll miss the climate and proximity to a few family members & last child - while Iíll relish having more access to my family, having my rights & vote respected, incredibly less traffic / non-existent graffiti, less expensive housing & vehicle taxes, civility and immanently less transient homeownership + cheaper fuel and generally not watching the daily deterioration of a once Great city into 3rd world crap hole (which rips at my heartstring).

Just one manís opinion - which if you add $5.50 to - you can also get a large fruity drink from that crappy Seattle place.
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Free of what? Fun outdoors 3 months out of the year?
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Why Arizona?

Itís to hot to even go out and shoot!

If you were in another state, perhaps but seriously, youíre in Arizona.
Wife and I will be doing an eyes-on recon of the Prescott and Chino Valley area next summer.

Yes, Prescott ... in Arizona ... Prescott, where the average daily high spring/summer temps are about 4-6 degrees cooler than where I live now, Chico. Worthless weather trivia for the day: the record high temperature in Chico was 117 ... the record high in Prescott was 105.

There's an old Klingon proverb: "Only a fool fights in a burning house"

We're out when I hit 62 in early 2022. If you think things will get better in California, there isn't one indication it will, ever ... barring serious Federal intervention.

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  • Last I checked, about 60% of registered California voters declared Democrat, with the remaining 40% Republican and a smattering of Libertarian/Green/DtS. That is not going to shift right.
  • Those very voters approved Props 47 and 57, which are decriminalizing crime. The legislature passed AB109. Brown muttered something about "Fire Bad!" and then gleefully signed the bill protecting PG&E by limiting its liability for the Tubbs Fire, and now there's the Carr and Camp Fires. Newsome just signed a law essentially removing the ability of school districts to suspend troublemaking kids in the classroom. My town is struggling as a local group has applied for a state grant to fund syringe distribution to illegal drug users. This is a list that can go on and on and on ...
  • Since the November 2018 elections, my local city council (5-2 Liberal to Conservative) has fast-tracked commercial cannabis initiatives via a stacked committee; declared a climate emergency; spent tens of thousands on a homeless warming shelter that ended up being used by an average of 10 people a night; is leaning toward supporting illegal drug use needle distribution; and is now pushing a low-cost housing project through in violation of state and local laws under the aexcuse it will cure the criminal-transient problems.
  • On the same night my city council declared a climate crisis, one of the conservative councilmembers wanted agendize a discussion on public safety for a future meeting, not an ordnance or binding decision but merely a discussion. Our Mayor and one other member voted against the motion. Voting no to agendize a discussion about public safety ... think about that.
  • Gasoline taxes/fees just took a big jump ... and they will go up again when the legislature runs low on our money
  • Two words: Rent Control
  • The DMV fees on my vehicles also took a big jump, and they will go up again. Because the legislature will misspend the money, like they always do.
  • While the legislature probably won't be able to outright eliminate Prop 13, mark my words they will find a way to get around it. Assessments, fees, whatever they end up calling it but what people pay for what's considered "property tax" will sooner or later (sooner most likely) take a huge jump.
  • The legislature has already proven themselves not as dumb as we want to think they are. The recent laws indicate they're following the efforts of gun owners to creatively comply with the laws and are naming things outright we thought they wouldn't notice (bullet buttons, for one)
  • Make no mistake, Gavin Newsome sees himself as the anointed liberal prodigal son and soon-to-be leading light of the Democratic Party on a national level. As such, he'll need to keep veering farther and farther left to keep up with the national political liberal ideology.



It's not just 2A/gun laws that are compelling us to leave, as I just stated there are a gajillion other legit reasons. Better recognition of the Constitution would be icing on the cake. Nor am I convinced, as the ol' trope goes, "you're only delaying the inevitable, your state will turn blue eventually". Maybe, maybe not but at least it's easier to keep the blue at bay, and we'll be free now and for a while instead of being force-fed the liberal soylent happening now.
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Old 09-13-2019, 5:13 PM
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A big problem for a lot of people wanting to leave is whether as retired state employees do they still have to pay California income tax once they are established as residents of another state. Heard some horror stories and do not know if the nevada jury award was true or myth.
If you are a resident of another state your CA pension is not taxed in CA.
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I could not get my wife further from her 90-year old mother and siblings in Orange County than the High Desert. At least there is a good gun club here that I belong to and where I can shoot from dawn until 10 PM. Our sheriff issues CCWs, too.

Our son just started heavy equipment and crane operator school in WA and plans to stay out of CA...maybe when he settles down and has kids, my wife will be wanting to relocate.
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thanks smle-man. help a lot of gun owner/state retirees can now consider moving out of this state. Miss old fort Bragg but I doubt things are the same after 50 years. It was crazy back in those days. got to be a wolf pack man at N.C. state for a year thanks to uncle Sam.
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I hate to see good people leave California. For those of us staying (for whatever reason), we need you! If you support 2A, you probably support other critical issues of import. I would never necessarily fault someone for wanting to make a change, but those of left need to help each other, stand up for what is right (and constitutional) and keep up the good fight! California is a hard place to be a 2nd amendment advocate, but I have a lot of respect for those that do their part to make a difference, even if small, in the face of so much opposition. Gun rights advocates in California are the political Marines on the front lines, and in some respects hold back the tide for the 'free' states. Keep supporting each other, and if you find yourself in a friendlier state some day, buy an "off roster" gun and a high capacity mag as a salute to your California brothers and sisters.
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i will always own a house in california but I am going to remove as much taxable income as possible while supporting the second amendment. we were the first in and last out guys when I served and still live by that motto. it is time we start sticking together as Californians and put the in-fighting with gun organizations on the back burner while we try to save our state and our rights. Let the gun organizations prove they are worthy of our support while we fight for our rights. Not PR but real results. we have a long fight ahead of us.
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Family specifically my parents who are now in their mid 70ís. They are the one thing keeping my wife and I here.
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Job and family (parents aren’t getting any younger). Since my brother moved his business to AZ I’m the only family nearby. Yes, it sucks to not buy the newest handguns and all the other crap we have to deal with as gun owners but like a few others have stated: there is more to life than 30 round mags and off roster handguns. I have enough guns to protect my family to the best of my ability, anything more is just extra. Plus, as a welder I can really appreciate the mild climate we have here on the central coast. I’d die in the AZ or TX heat.
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I can remember how great California was 50 years ago and now it seems like some kind of fantasy.

I'm a few years away from retirement and also watching out for an 85 year old parent.

After that I'm off to a better place probably somewhere in the southwest.
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Parents turn 90 this year and won't leave the state. I'm 59 next month and I leave when I retire at 65 or when my parents pass, whichever comes last.
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Back in April, the wife and I met with our planner. We just decided we are done with this state.

We are getting the house ready and are checking out southern Idaho with an agent at the end of the month.

I'm looking to retire when I hit 55 in March and expect to be out of the state by end of Summer 2020.
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Iím still here because of my wifeís family, they all live locally, plus she canít imagine living anywhere else except maybe Hawaii. Iím hoping though that once I finish school and start working, which will more than double our income, she will see just how much money we will lose in taxes (itís a ton already) and maybe she will be open to considering other places, even if itís Washington or Oregon.
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Seriously though, the places where CA emigrants are fleeing to are rapidly being ruined, anyway.

I used to live in AZ, stationed there in the military as well. It is already overcrowded, dirty, crime-infested. Once CalPERS goes broke things will get much, much worse, there. LE/fire retirees are propping up the Yavapai County economy, right now. Once their CA pension money gets cut - look out.

Muslims setting up shop in Idaho, Hollywood deviants buying up MT and WY, TX going blue.

Et cetera ...

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... How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?
I think it will be "NRA Members," "Republicans" and THEN "gun owners," since there are a few Dems who own shooters.
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I think it will be "NRA Members," "Republicans" and THEN "gun owners," since there are a few Dems who own shooters.
Being a straight, white male will be criminalized, at this rate.
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I left for AZ a little over three years ago. I grew up, went to school, college and post-grad in Kali. I had several firearms I was arguably supposed to register in 2000 but never did because I figured (quite rightly) that confiscation was the ultimate goal of the libs. I confined my use of those firearms to forested areas with no clear line of sight for looky-loos. Despite my fear, I continued to live in Kali because that's where I grew up - why the hell should i have to leave my home? Well, the final straw came after the recession when I was seeking new employment in my field, which involves nonprofits run predominately by libs. After numerous tries, even using references from management-level employees already working for the same prospective employers, it became obvious that I was being turned down for employment and denied interviews by virtue of my skin color (white) and gender (male) - the libs put a heavy emphasis on "diversity" in my line of work. I began searching for jobs in other states and was welcomed with open arms rather quickly in Arizona, where I was judged by my merits and not my skin color. Even though I work in the same field as before, in a left-wing dominated industry, lefties in AZ are very different from lefties in Kali. I thought about coming back to Kali eventually, and rented out my condo in Kali rather than give it up, but eventually I set down roots here, and hanging on to that condo didn't make since when I could get a real house with almost quadruple the space and a real back yard for LESS than what that condo was worth. So now I'm never coming back, and I can shoot my old bushmaster freely without fear of arrest. I still visit Kali now and then, and I have a monsterman-gripped AR that comes with me when I do (you should see the looks I get when I occasionally bring it to an AZ range), but honestly, I can't wait for that big earthquake to wipe LA and San Fran off the map, like Sodom and Gomorrah before.
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Tomorrow night I fly to Vegas to look at 4 houses and hopefully make an offer on one. The toughest part of the decision was having to resign my position at my gun club.

This state needs a do-over.
I bought a house in Vegas in 2012 when the market was depressed. I now belong to the Desert Sportsmens Rifle and Pistol Club near Red Rock on Charleston. It puts any gun club to shame in California. All manner of firearms are allowed including machine guns. They have ranges specifically for machine guns. For those who shoot long range they have 1000 yard ranges. Unfortunately, I still have a house in California and have not left completely due to family ties. My wifes father at 93 refuses to go and he needs attention. Also, more importantly, my son works in SoCal. So we want to be able to be close to our son. Closer than 4 hours away anyway.

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Monday morning update.

Made an offer on a house and it was accepted.

4bedroom/3bath/3car garage; inground hottub and pool and includes the pool table in the mancave. It's in Summerlin up in the hills and is beautiful. Neighbor is a former fire captain and the neighbors are pro-2a. Already have plans to go shooting with the current owner and neighbor.

The countdown has officially started...
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Monday morning update.

Made an offer on a house and it was accepted.

4bedroom/3bath/3car garage; inground hottub and pool and includes the pool table in the mancave. It's in Summerlin up in the hills and is beautiful. Neighbor is a former fire captain and the neighbors are pro-2a. Already have plans to go shooting with the current owner and neighbor.

The countdown has officially started...
I have a home in Sun City Summerlin. Hope to see you at the Desert Sportsmen Rife and Pistol Club. You will forget your old Caifornia gun club quickly with the world class facility here.
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For those of you wanting to stay and fight you will be fighting a losing battle in California. It is not just about guns: traffic, cost of living, and taxes, it all sucks. Yes, the weather is good in California until it becomes a liability and we have wild fires and droughts. I was born and raised in California, went to college here and completed my career all here in California. Now at 61, I am fed up and disgusted with this state. Unfortunately, family ties keep me connected for now.
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.

THIS^^^
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Quote from a martial arts instructor I respect...

"Sometimes reverse is a very useful gear"

I get it. I would love to leave this communist sh*thole state. But, I am not. It doesn't make sense given the momentum of what is coming.

Leaving will only buy you 5-10 years max. Maybe less if Donny T loses in 2020. Then, you will have to stand and fight. If you need that additional time to get ready, I understand. Move.

But, No country for Old Men" said it best

"You can't stop what is coming."

They want you dead. And, you will have to resist or die.

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