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Old 09-10-2019, 6:46 PM
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Left Commiefornia in June 2018 for free America. Couldn’t be happier! Do it! Get out of the sinking ship of state that was once the jewel of the nation.
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Well, other than the hyperbole of your post, since I do have guns and a CCW license....

Born/raised, schooled, family in SoCal for my 63 years, wife/stepson have roots from nearby Mexico, 1 year of work left, weather is the best, love my house situation. My life is GREAT, other than the withering gun rights and occasional spastic Cali intrusiveness.

Just starting to explore whether I could MENTALLY move from my life's existence, or not.......


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The withering gun rights had no impact on me as I chose not to comply. It would be an inconvenience going cross border to buy my ammo in bulk and make other purchases, but I do not comply with laws that infringe on my rights. I stopped complying a long time ago. I carried concealed without permission slip and absolutely refused to register my AR builds. The next thing coming will be an outright ban and mandatory "buy back" with the registration lists making it very easy for the CA DOJ to round them up just like they did years ago in DC. One must remember that the criminals are not impacted by any of the gun laws and will be at an advantage over those that do comply. Currently they build their own in their garage and ammo laws are circumvented by reloading. The next round of gun control will most likely address all components that can be currently purchased to build an AR or other firearm and also reloading components. The plan is to ensnare all gun owners in violations at every turn. When residents start going cross border to make their purchases, they will start sending agents to monitor CA plated vehicles at the usual places such as gun stores and shows then pull them over when they cross the state line. The plan will be to make some examples out of a few to scare the rest into total compliance and submission. Just a matter of time if the SCOTUS does not stop it. I do not comply because evil has visited us twice resulting in my wife being raped and my sister in law being beat to death during a carjacking. My primary responsibility is to the safety of myself and family. It was not a hard decision to make.

My application for CCW was denied twice. I am a combat vet with no criminal record and an engineer with a consulting firm. I left the state for business reasons about three years ago. Not sure if the law changed, but when I was a resident, if I was caught carrying a gun I lawfully owned concealed without permit, the penalty was a minor misdemeanor and possible fine.
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.
^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
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Moved out of CA past November (to ID). Wife and I in our mid-70's so we could have lived out our lives in CA, but our place (5 acres) was really too large; wanting to move/downsize in any event why stay in the hell-hole that California has now become? Near perfect weather is not enough. Would have been different if our place had been in a more rural area.
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
It will save them, just not their kids.
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Old 09-11-2019, 7:31 AM
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.




They want to kill you and everything you stand for.



The Reconquista of the West is slowly turning the Southwest blue Mexfornia is too far gone Arizona is not there yet, ARs and AKs are still plentiful as well as ammunition and standard capacity magazines you canít say the same for Kalifornia I am enjoy it and will put up a fight to save Constitutional Rights in Arizona
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Old 09-11-2019, 8:12 AM
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
This is why it's imperative that all CA ex-pats vote in every single election after moving. Even if you're in a "safe" red state, vote against any and all progressive candidates and initiatives. An attempt must be made to stall these people as long as possible.
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Old 09-11-2019, 8:19 AM
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Old 09-11-2019, 8:26 AM
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Your government (and, yes, San Francisco is essentially "your government") has declared that you are someone who has no rights, who should be hunted down and killed on sight, that there should be no due process. Because that's what a terrorist is. CA is now essentially Germany in the early '30s. How many people wished to God they'd gotten out of Germany by about 1938? How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?

Why on Earth would you stay?!?!
AZ is turning and in near future youíll be facing what weíre facing now only weíre years ahead and have reached our tipping point. Youíll see California start leaning towards the right again!

Itís a cycle and GOP is planning an aggressive campaign in California this election.

People are fed up and Iím tired of playing hopscotch to avoid stepping in human feces on the sidewalk. You donít need to be conservative to be tired is stepping in human feces!
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Old 09-11-2019, 8:56 AM
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Your government (and, yes, San Francisco is essentially "your government") has declared that you are someone who has no rights, who should be hunted down and killed on sight, that there should be no due process. Because that's what a terrorist is. CA is now essentially Germany in the early '30s. How many people wished to God they'd gotten out of Germany by about 1938? How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?

Why on Earth would you stay?!?!
The weather.....would never leave.....
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Old 09-11-2019, 9:19 AM
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I am a native.

Out of here when I retire - about 5 years.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:12 AM
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Always nice to have a back up home to go to outside of california and be flexible based on future events. I'll fight in california, keep the other two states second amendment friendly, and see just how tough california will be in saving it's second amendment rights.
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:12 PM
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Why Arizona?

Itís to hot to even go out and shoot!

If you were in another state, perhaps but seriously, youíre in Arizona.
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I'm considering moving to the pacific ocean, just outside of TTW.
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Old 09-11-2019, 2:43 PM
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some people are not leaving komifornia because they're exempt from gun laws. if that's the main reason a lot of people are leaving.
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Old 09-11-2019, 3:50 PM
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My main vendor is here and he wants to stay. If he were to say, let's get outta here I would help him pack.
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I am 60 and have called California home since high school. I was born there but traveled with a military family all my young life.
I retired last July and moving to Nevada results in a 9.3% raise because I do not pay state income tax on my retirement. Add the relaxed gun laws (for now) and I am happy with the move.
If Nevada goes too far toward the blue, there is always Wyoming.
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Staying until retirement or when they completely gut Prop 13. Less that 9 years left in this crap hole of a state then I'm gone and never coming back unless I have to take care of my dad.

I'll move him to where I live.
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Old 09-11-2019, 6:45 PM
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A big problem for a lot of people wanting to leave is whether as retired state employees do they still have to pay California income tax once they are established as residents of another state. Heard some horror stories and do not know if the nevada jury award was true or myth.
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Its been at least a few days since we've had a 'California sucks' thread.



For many people, and I know some on here will find this hard to believe, the definition of 'quality of life' does not begin, and end, with what firearms civilians are allowed to buy.

Leave, good riddance.
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My job and family! If I could make the same amount in another state that pays me the same as my government job, see you later!! Then I got to consider my family.
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Bought a home in AZ and leaving in 3 weeks. Finally free.
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Old 09-11-2019, 7:29 PM
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Bought a home in AZ and leaving in 3 weeks. Finally free.
Free of what? Fun outdoors 3 months out of the year?
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Old 09-11-2019, 7:51 PM
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i am here in california for the second amendment fight but i would be curious as to what sfarchitect will say the next time he is avoiding human feces on the Sf sidewalks while ducking bullets from a criminals shooting at him in SF where criminals use their choice of weapons while sfarchitect is forbidden to have any. what kind of quality of life do we call that? You can only defy the odds so long.
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Trying to escape CA's lunacy by going somewhere else is eventually going to be a fool's errand... I used to think Florida was a great place to be a gun owner.. Not anymore..

Look at this bill being proposed there.
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...P5NHwHwCnBIdHE

They're about to have a harder AW ban than us.
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My family has been in this state for over 120 years and I am prepared to stay and fight.
One of wife's ancestors was here before it was a state. But that isn't going to hold us here. My ancestors got to MA in 1620 and worked their way to MI over the next 200 years by buying tracts of trees and turning them into farms. When they got to MI the soil sucked so they couldn't resell and were stuck. After 130 years there my parents packed up and came to CA (I was 2) in 1952. We went to MI every 5-10 years and by the 1970s my dad said we don't have to go there anymore because there was nothing left that held good memories. Places torn down, bad neighborhoods, closed businesses, the list goes on.

CA is the same for us. We'll retire/move to NV in 2020 and make new memories. At least there my vote for Trump may help.

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Because people are scared of up changing their day to day routine. People are afraid to up and quit their job to better themselves.
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Trying to escape CA's lunacy by going somewhere else is eventually going to be a fool's errand... I used to think Florida was a great place to be a gun owner.. Not anymore..

Look at this bill being proposed there.
https://www.tampabay.com/florida-pol...P5NHwHwCnBIdHE

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Free of what? Fun outdoors 3 months out of the year?
Free to buy what I want. No more over taxation. Low quality of life. Unreasonable home prices. No tagging on public property. Idiotic Ca laws.
Need I go on.
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Because I haven't found a new job yet out of state. I love the weather and if it was more affordable I'd stay but I'll never afford my own property out here. I don't want to rent my whole life, I want a house and a few acres of my own. Looking at Nevada and Colorado right now.
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Nevada is not a good choice and I know after a year or more. Colorado maybe, Arizona maybe, and maybe Wyoming but the winds there are ugly. Chose carefully because a lot of blue democrats are fleeing this state and taking their infection with them. I would try down around Yerington for something reasonable at the moment.
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Your government (and, yes, San Francisco is essentially "your government") has declared that you are someone who has no rights, who should be hunted down and killed on sight, that there should be no due process. Because that's what a terrorist is. CA is now essentially Germany in the early '30s. How many people wished to God they'd gotten out of Germany by about 1938? How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?

Why on Earth would you stay?!?!
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.

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'Red flag' gun laws have caused backlash
Many counties in Colorado refuse to enforce law

GREELEY, Colo. - In the wake of recent mass shootings, President Donald Trump has called for "red flag" laws, which would temporarily prevent individuals in crisis from accessing firearms through a court order.

That has some wondering whether Congress could enact national red flag legislation in a rare instance of Democrats and Republicans coming together to pass a gun law.

But in Colorado, the state's passage of a red flag law has sparked a backlash.

The state's red flag law won't take effect until next year, but opponents have already filed a lawsuit attempting to overturn it. A number of the state's counties have declared themselves Second Amendment "sanctuaries" in an effort to fight back and some sheriffs, including Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams, have said they would rather go to jail than enforce the law.

Reams believes Colorado's red flag law is unconstitutional and is afraid of what will happen when it takes effect.

"My biggest fear for the law is violating someone's constitutional rights and the potential for placing my deputies in a situation for an encounter with an armed individual," Reams told CNN.

The law allows family, household members and law enforcement to petition for a court order to temporarily take guns away from an individual deemed to be at significant risk of hurting themselves or others by having a firearm.

The sheriff believes the law infringes on the constitutional right to due process and the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure.

"Once you fail to stand up for people's constitutional rights, then what's next?" Reams said.

Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have adopted red flag laws, otherwise known as extreme risk protection orders. In some, like in Florida after the Parkland high school shooting, the measures have been signed into law by Republican governors.

As lawmakers face pressure to take action, legislation to incentivize states to enact red flag laws has won support from Democrats and Republicans in Congress. The House Judiciary Committee voted to approve red flag legislation on Tuesday as part of a series of measures to address gun violence. The legislation would still need to be voted on by the full House to advance and it is unclear what gun control legislation if any the GOP-controlled Senate would take up.



A national model or cautionary tale


Colorado is either a national model for red flag legislation or a cautionary tale, depending on whom you talk to.

Supporters argue that the law is a common sense way to make the state safer and proves it is possible to pass stronger gun laws in a purple state, not just in parts of the country that are deep blue.

"If you can do it in Colorado, you can do it in all 50 states," said former state senator Mike Johnston, a Democrat who recently dropped out of the Colorado Democratic primary for US Senate. "The Colorado model should be what we do at the federal level to get reasonable gun safety for the whole country."

Opponents say it violates constitutional rights and will have dangerous consequences, and they argue that the backlash shows just how forcefully a national red flag law would be opposed.

"We're seeing a very significant pushback in the state and I think you'd see that nationally too," said Patrick Neville, the Republican minority leader of Colorado's House of Representatives and a survivor of the Columbine shooting, adding that he believes "it would be a huge mistake" to pass a national red flag law.
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