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Old 09-06-2019, 8:22 AM
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I'm looking to upgrade one of my carry guns, an old snubbie that cannot handle +p. The salesperson goes in to a whole thing about "this is just my opinion" how he would never carry a revolver because a criminal will always have a semi-auto and in a firefight I will be so outgunned I might as well just carry a knife. Meanwhile, I ask him if he's ever shot the the Glock .45 I see in the case, he says "that's all I shoot", while carrying a compact Sig on his hip.

Ignoring all statistical information about how SD confrontations happen is one thing but how does someone so arrogant and ignorant keep a job. Haven't had an experience like this in decades.
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Old 09-06-2019, 8:55 AM
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If you haven't had that in decades, you probably don't go to the gun shops often

Many of these dingbats behind the gun counter seem to be defective when it comes to the basics of RESPECT." They talk too much and do not listen enough.

What did you have in mind for an upgrade?
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Old 09-06-2019, 8:59 AM
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Cut him a break. He just upgraded from his other job where he was saying "Do you want fries with that?" There's no scholars working at gun shops.
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At least he prefaced what he said with "this is just my opinion".. A lot of folks tell you what they are saying is fact..
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What did you have in mind for an upgrade?
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5rd 9mm revolver.
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5rd 9mm revolver.
Limited options..Other than Ruger LCR I'm not sure how many others fall into that category...
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Limited options..Other than Ruger LCR I'm not sure how many others fall into that category...
Not interested in the LCR, not fun to practice with for me and I like to practice with my carry gun. Although not a lightweight pocket gun I'm leaning toward the Ruger SP101. Only other option is the S&W.
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Depends on the shooter...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHG-ibZaKM

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Yes, that reload is disgustingly fast.

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Gunshop counter secretaries are very similar to autoparts store counter secretaries... threatened know it alls..

Just ignore and do what works for you..

J frames in 357 and lcrs in 9mm are no joke..


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I take gun shop talk with a grain of salt. I can hold my own with them but must control my inner urges to call them out. To be sure, there are some very knowledgeable and kind folks working in gun shops, but they seem to be the exception.
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I can hold my own with them but must control my inner urges to call them out.
This is the road I took.
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They make around minimum wage
Some get a spiff if they sell certain items-

They talk to the public all day

As George Carlin said- think of how dumb the average person is
And half of them are dumber than that
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Just like UGI said, your options are limited for a 9mm revolver. Bear in mind that you will need to invest in moonclips to use it efficiently.

The SP101 retails for $719.00 while the LCR and LCRx retail for $669.00. You could probably find them at around the $6-650 and $550-600 range.

The S&W 986 PC retails for $1,129.00. You could probably find it for around $950-$1,000.

Moonclips are about $10-12 for a pack of 3.

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There exist also some nice tools to load moon clips
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OP..

Try different grain weights in the LCR 9mm... different grains significantly affect felt recoil... you might find a grain you like...

For me 115 grain in the lcr has barely any recoil..


Experiment...



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Gotta love the scenarios people dream up.
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Cut him a break. He just upgraded from his other job where he was saying "Do you want fries with that?" There's no scholars working at gun shops.
Nice! Thanks so much for the kind words Tango Down. I'm graduate of U.C.S.D. Spent years in the Pharmaceutical industy....now work in a gun shop because it's my passion. I live a block from the beach. With passive income from a few rental homes....everything is paid for....

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I'd avoid a 9mm revolver. I just don't like the fact that they are a tapered case and don't always seat at the right depth in the cylinder. Factory ammo generally isn't a problem but some reloads can cause problems.
I have a S&W 642 I like to carry. 38+P and light. Ruger guns are cast and are generally heavier than one machined from solid stock (unless they use a lot of plastic too).
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As George Carlin said- think of how dumb the average person is
And half of them are dumber than that
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It took me awhile to sort out which employees were truly knowledgeable and which were full of bull or just wanted to make a sale. There are some very knowledgeable gun store employees, though, who really want to do right by the customer.

One of the most important things: Do not ever take legal advice from a gun store clerk without triple checking everything the clerk said.
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Nice! Thanks so much for the kind words Tango Down. I'm graduate of U.C.S.D. Spent years in the Pharmaceutical industy....now work in a gun shop because it's my passion. I live a block from the beach. With passive income from a few rental homes....everything is paid for....


- i think he was speaking in general terms
- there will always be a bus driver with a PhD
- but generally speaking...........







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I'd avoid a 9mm revolver. I just don't like the fact that they are a tapered case and don't always seat at the right depth in the cylinder. Factory ammo generally isn't a problem but some reloads can cause problems.
I have a S&W 642 I like to carry. 38+P and light. Ruger guns are cast and are generally heavier than one machined from solid stock (unless they use a lot of plastic too).
- ruger lcr 9mm has moonclips, so the tapered rounds actually make them easier to drop right in since the leading edge of the rounds are smaller than the cylinder bores which are slightly larger than the trailing end of the rounds..

- but yes I can see how reloads could be an issue

- 642 is awesome









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Gun store Rambo’s . Sounds like a Turner’s employee.

Here in Mexifornia I have 7 side arms listed on my permit.

Mostly carry a LCR in 9. Wheels leave no brass behind.
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Range and gun store folk in my experience run the entire gamut (I’ve encountered some knowledgeable, intelligent people with whom I could converse. However the distribution seems to be quite skewed to the left...
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Advice received in a gun store is like items at a buffet, take what you like and leave the rest. Just remember all of those items are served on a buffet, so probably not top shelf selections.


I have recieved some horrible advice from knowledgable people and some sage advice from laymen. And seen the same range here, horrible to great.

When it comes to YOUR carry choice, get what you are comfortable with, because that is the weapon you are less likely to leave at home, or so the interwebs say.


Full disclosure, I am a semi automatic guy, but know folks sho carry a wheel gun. I am just glad they something.


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i went to turners and they employee actually told me it would be good to have a revolver as one of the 3 and his reasoning made me actually start looking for one.
he mentioned that if you ever have to use your weapon up close and personal, a semi will not fire if the slide is even slightly pushed back whereas a revolver will fire every time you pull the trigger no matter what.
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At least some DA revolvers can be stopped, as well, by grabbing the cylinder. An exposed hammer is another good target.
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this is how things are sold in America. Customers are assumed to be stupid and will accept any explanation. Try buying a new car and ask about the engine HP, Torque, or transmission specifications. Most sales people will only be able to open the door to let you see the car. They are not experienced nor think the general public needs to have that information. They are only there to make a sale. Guns stores are now included in this exercise my friend. You will need to do your own research and know what you are buying.
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Nice! Thanks so much for the kind words Tango Down. I'm graduate of U.C.S.D. Spent years in the Pharmaceutical industy....now work in a gun shop because it's my passion. I live a block from the beach. With passive income from a few rental homes....everything is paid for....
Must be nice. Congrats on living out your dream! I actually envy you. :P
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Generally when I go looking for a gun I've already done my research and have my mind made up. Regardless of what anyone says I get piece of mind knowing that a revolver is safe and reliable. I personally think the .38spl is an archaic and outdated cartridge and I can't understand the love for it. Carrying a light .38 with +p or a .357 downloaded with 38 +p seems just an expensive, unnecessary work around. If you want to carry that just go full pop and run .357.

The 9mm in a revolver gives me close to a .357 in performance, is reliable and ammo is lighter and cheaper to practice with, just makes sense to me.

The deal is done, SP101 2.25" 9mm on layaway at Buds, awesome deal and way less than anywhere in CA. It won't make it on the permit this time around so my .38 will have to do for now but that will give me lot's of range time to get used to it.
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Ehh, just an opinion.....everybody’s got one.

I understand what he’s trying to convey in his opinion.

No harm, no foul

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