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Old 09-05-2019, 6:55 AM
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Default Range Report; Howa 1500, Mini Action, Cal 7.62x39

I recently picked up the Howa 1500 Mini Action in caliber 7.62x39 so yesterday was the first day I shot it. The shooting was done from a bench rest at an indoor gun range and the distance was 25 yards. The ammo brand was Wolf, the range safe variety (steel case, copper jacket bullet).

The rifle is well built with a fairly thin barrel. It comes with a 10 round polymer magazine and the trigger guard/magazine well is also polymer. The stock seems a little light.

The action is glass smooth and there were no issues with extracting/ejecting the spent cartridge and feeding a fresh one into the chamber.

The Nikko-Sterling factory scope was great. It was clear and pretty well bore sighted from the factory.

I shot 20 rounds total and the below target is the final 12. Each target had three rounds in it.

All in all, it's a nice rifle and I hope the below results will continue. This rifle is a keeper.



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Old 09-05-2019, 8:26 AM
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Maybe try some better ammo.
Those groups are 2-6 moa in size.
At 25yds, you should not have ANY space between bullet holes with a newly manufactured centerfire 30 caliber rifle.
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My buddy has this in same caliber as yours and it made me wanna pick me up bolt action rifle after trying out little bit . Action felt smooth , trigger felt pretty good out of factory too . But I went ahead picked up grendel since I already load those . I think howa 762x39 is great all day shooter with cheap steel
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Old 09-05-2019, 4:45 PM
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I would definitely try at hundred. But I love these little guns.
So underrated, fun and accurate
My cz 527 likes the silver bear.
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My buddy has this in same caliber as yours and it made me wanna pick me up bolt action rifle after trying out little bit . Action felt smooth , trigger felt pretty good out of factory too . But I went ahead picked up grendel since I already load those . I think howa 762x39 is great all day shooter with cheap steel
Howa 1500 in 6.5 Grendel? You have my attention. Does it match the smoooth report here of the 7.62x39?
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I recently picked up the Howa 1500 Mini Action in caliber 7.62x39 so yesterday was the first day I shot it. The shooting was done from a bench rest at an indoor gun range and the distance was 25 yards. The ammo brand was Wolf, the range safe variety (steel case, copper jacket bullet).

The rifle is well built with a fairly thin barrel. It comes with a 10 round polymer magazine and the trigger guard/magazine well is also polymer. The stock seems a little light.

The action is glass smooth and there were no issues with extracting/ejecting the spent cartridge and feeding a fresh one into the chamber.

The Nikko-Sterling factory scope was great. It was clear and pretty well bore sighted from the factory.

I shot 20 rounds total and the below target is the final 12. Each target had three rounds in it.

All in all, it's a nice rifle and I hope the below results will continue. This rifle is a keeper.



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I have one in .308/7.62x51, knox/axiom chassis. It is a tack driver at 100yds plus. My wife even likes it, better than the AR or her fav .22lr! It gets expensive with her at the trigger!
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Howa 1500 in 6.5 Grendel? You have my attention. Does it match the smoooth report here of the 7.62x39?
Howa have mini action in 7.62x39 and grendel . I think 300blk is supposedly coming out soon or already out in market not sure .

Yes , there are few reviews on YouTube . You can even buy just the action from brownells and put chassis if you want go that route
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod113624.aspx
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There might not be many chassis that take the mini action though. The whole idea of a mini action is lightweight and compact, and chassis are the opposite.
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Maybe try some better ammo.
Those groups are 2-6 moa in size.
At 25yds, you should not have ANY space between bullet holes with a newly manufactured centerfire 30 caliber rifle.

Randall, I gotta ask... could some of this be due to the rifle's bore size relative to the bullet?

I've seen some Eastern bloc X 39 measure .310", and if I'm not mistaken (I often am), my CZ 527 Carbine has a .310 bore.

But! some X 39 ammo uses a .308" bullet... if his Howa bore is .310, and he uses a .308 pill, would that affect his grouping?

Maybe not if the bullet obturates/slugs up to bore...?

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There might not be many chassis that take the mini action though. The whole idea of a mini action is lightweight and compact, and chassis are the opposite.
Not many for sure , but it's nice to see there are options outhere for those plans to bench .
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I guess, but if you plan to bench it you shouldn't be getting a 7.62x39. You should be getting a .223 or 6.5 Grendel.
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I was following up on Arrieta578 post about grendel in howa mini . Yea , I see no upside getting chassis system for x39 .
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Even at 25 yards that’s not bad with cheap steel case fodder. Seems like that’s a great platform for an underserved caliber.
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But! some X 39 ammo uses a .308" bullet...

if his Howa bore is .310, and he uses a .308 pill, would that affect his grouping?
I have never run into 0.308 bullets being factory loaded in 7.62x39 ammo.
Can you support this claim?

If the bullet obturates enough to seal the gas behind it, accuracy should not be effected.
The real problem with accuracy of 7.62x39 guns is the ammo.
Most 7.62x39 ammo uses very poor quality bullets which are necessary to keep the costs down because most buyers of 7.62x39 ammo are more concerned with price than with precision.

The cartridge can be very accurate when top quality bullets are used.
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2 groups here, but you get the the idea.
100 yards.
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I have never run into 0.308 bullets being factory loaded in 7.62x39 ammo.
Can you support this claim?

If the bullet obturates enough to seal the gas behind it, accuracy should not be effected.
The real problem with accuracy of 7.62x39 guns is the ammo.
Most 7.62x39 ammo uses very poor quality bullets which are necessary to keep the costs down because most buyers of 7.62x39 ammo are more concerned with price than with precision.

The cartridge can be very accurate when top quality bullets are used.

Thanks, Randall.

Yes, I have a few hundred rounds I've measured and put aside as having .308" spitzers. It could be poor bullet manufacturing/materials quality as you've noted, and it could be I've not mic'd the entire diameter.

Perhaps I'll pull a few from their brass and mic them. Be another week or so before I can get to it with my present work sched (and I need a .308 collet).
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Haven't seen any on a shelf but Lapua makes loaded 7.62x39 (FMJ) and also quality components.

Edit: found this also - Large Rifle Primer https://www.starlinebrass.com/762x39mm-russian/
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Thanks, Randall.

Yes, I have a few hundred rounds I've measured and put aside as having .308" spitzers. It could be poor bullet manufacturing/materials quality as you've noted, and it could be I've not mic'd the entire diameter.

Perhaps I'll pull a few from their brass and mic them. Be another week or so before I can get to it with my present work sched (and I need a .308 collet).
Back in the 80s friend of mine had a Mini 30, he said it had 308 bore, said it didn't shoot the Chinese surplus ammo very accurately, said Winchester 7.62x39 ammo was loaded with 308 bullets and was more accurate in it. IDK if Winchester still uses 308 bullets or not.
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Brownells had the barreled actions for the 7.62x39 Howa mini action on sale for ~$130 delivered a year or two ago. I bought one as a donor for a future project and put it in a Boyds stock.

It's a 2-3 moa gun with WWB. The barrel and action seem decent enough, but that ammo is awful. There was a 40 fps difference in average velocity between 2 boxes bought at the same time and the velocity spreads for both boxes was huge. I have a box of the .310 diameter Sierras to try in it.

The current plan is to make it a 6 Rat (6x6.5 Grendel Improved) someday.
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Maybe try some better ammo.
Those groups are 2-6 moa in size.
At 25yds, you should not have ANY space between bullet holes with a newly manufactured centerfire 30 caliber rifle.
My AR-47 does bullets on top of bullets at 25 yards, sort of boring. 2 moa at 100 yards with Golden Tiger. It does about a 7~8" spread at 400 yards.
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^ if I can shoot that good , it'll be boring too . That's impressive though with factory ammo . I know golden tiger supposed to be top of the line, but still isn't match ammo , right ?
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I load AA1680 and hornady .310 123gr fmj out of a $99 Anderson barreled AR . off a front rest and bag it's consistantly under moa. I haven't shot any GT yet but red army shot around 2 moa.
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