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Old 09-04-2019, 8:20 AM
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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
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A social score to exercise a constitutional right? At first I'd say no way but the way things are rapidly going....
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Info wars while not the gold standard for credibility rates much higher than the democrat media.

Its reported CNN has announced that hurricanes are a result of climate change. Nice to know if everyone stops oil hurricanes will stop. This makes sense ! hahahah

As for the story itself President Trump is not a fan of big tech considering the way they slant their search data!

regardless my omega watch does not do much but tell time !
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This came up on AR15.com at the end of last year... What’s your social credit score? Your next firearm purchase might depend on it one day

One of the links went to another thread... NY Doubles Down on Stupid-ny proposes searching social media prior to gun purchases

So, evidently, it is a "thing" that's been discussed in certain circles.
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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
We already have a social credit score system for purchasing firearms:

1. Are you a felon in jail?
2. Are you in a supervised care arrangement for the dangerously mentally ill.
3. Is there a warrant out for your arrest?

and of course, thanks to the NRA (GCA 1968) we have #4...

4. Are you an ex-felon, time served, free to go?
5. Has a restraining order been issued against you?
6. Do you use recreational drugs?
7. Are you on anti-psychotics?

Criminal record, county/state monitored medical record, legal guardianship status - are all markers of your "social" condition.

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Re-labeling or re-packaging something doesn't make it new.

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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
It would be interesting to see who might be aligned against this sort of thing.
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Oh its fershur real.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/...ojects-agency/

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https://www.harpa.org/ objective is to lead the development of new capabilities in biomedical research

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so for those who don't have any social media accounts? are they automatically banned from owning guns?
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What about this scenario:

This becomes a thing. You have a great social score and are ALLOWED to by an AR. A few years down the road you're having a rough year and your social score drops to an undesirable level. You're now distraught and worry they'll take you're gun so you run into a mall and start mowing people down. Again, this "solution" has done nothing to stop violence.

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https://insights.dice.com/2019/09/03...h-data-murder/


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Rather than stay that course, The Suzanne Wright Foundation approached the Trump administration again last week (after high-profile mass shootings, mind you; WaPo says HARPA has “gained momentum” in the wake of massacres in El Paso and Dayton) with a new idea: HARPA should include a project dubbed “Safe Home,” an acronym for “Stopping Aberrant Fatal Events by Helping Overcome Mental Extremes.”
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A Study of Pre-Attack Behaviors of Active Shooters in the United States Between 2000 and 2013
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Sounds unconstitutional on its face, but if they do it, how many years/decades of liberals shopping for judges and subsequent appeals before it hits SCOTUS and gets overturned? (we hope).

Best to shout this bad idea down now.
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Eventually our robot overlords will decide this for us.
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so for those who don't have any social media accounts? are they automatically banned from owning guns?
Of course.
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Excellent. Another plan to violate someone's 4th Amendment rights in order to remove their 2nd.
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i have never had a social account so where does that leave me? when the second falls all the others will follow. the generation that allowed America to fail. Interesting time in history.
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i have never had a social account so where does that leave me? when the second falls all the others will follow. the generation that allowed America to fail. Interesting time in history.
You do have an account ďwarbirdĒ on an extremist assault weapon promoting website. -20 to social credit.
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Please give me the link since i am totally unaware of it if it is not calguns. Anyone can use the name "warbird" on a site i have never been on. This is my only site. Are you calling this site an extremist weapon promoting website? I only collect black powder weapons so you have something screwed up. Please describe what an extremist assault weapon is by description and give examples. Otherwise we might think you are a troll who is trolling.

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Live in flyover country, -20 points
Voted for Trump, -100 points
White, -40 points
Watch Fox News, -50 points
Purchase patriotic theme clothing, -30 points
YouTube score, -150 points
Podcast score, -50 points
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I'm in quite the hole without even using "social media".
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Can I trade carbon credits for social rank boost?
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Yes, stopping farting methane would work for that.
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Please give me the link since i am totally unaware of it if it is not calguns. Anyone can use the name "warbird" on a site i have never been on. This is my only site. Are you calling this site an extremist weapon promoting website? I only collect black powder weapons so you have something screwed up. Please describe what an extremist assault weapon is by description and give examples. Otherwise we might think you are a troll who is trolling.
It is calguns. You are losing social credits right here.
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i have never had a social account so where does that leave me? when the second falls all the others will follow. the generation that allowed America to fail. Interesting time in history.
What do you think you posted 1k times on....a carrier pigeon?
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When I first started using calguns, it was just an old cork board on the side of the road near Chowchilla, and I used to send my posts there on 3x5 card by carrier pigeon.

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When I first started using calguns, it was just an old cork board on the side of the road near Chowchilla, and I used to send my posts there on 3x5 card by carrier pigeon.

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Infowars is an extreme-right wing source with trash info all over everything they upload.

They're not just the "non-golden standard", they are trash-tier standard. The democrat equivalent to Infowars is something like Occupy Democrats, not CNN or Vox.

A LOT of Democrat news sources are going to be far, FAR, more credible than Infowars; Some of you guys are hilarious... I wouldn't take anything on that site seriously. Look at the Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, or The Hill if you want right-wing news sources that aren't full of non-credible nonsense.
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considering some of the far left and right wing stuff i have seen on this site it is more the entertainment channel than anything else. I guess I am really into the negative points if calguns counts against me.
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Guess i am screwed in the negative points column. Well at least I am not on the big sites spreading the junk they spread. your right if I send anything anyplace by computer I guess it counts as a social site. My bad i am old fashion and use the telephone or meet people.
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LOL @ Thinking Vox is anything but Trash-tier. CNN's close, but Vox is absolute garbage, it's basically a reskin of Buzzfeed.
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Infowars is an extreme-right wing source with trash info all over everything they upload.

They're not just the "non-golden standard", they are trash-tier standard. The democrat equivalent to Infowars is something like Occupy Democrats, not CNN or Vox.

A LOT of Democrat news sources are going to be far, FAR, more credible than Infowars; Some of you guys are hilarious... I wouldn't take anything on that site seriously. Look at the Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, or The Hill if you want right-wing news sources that aren't full of non-credible nonsense.
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LOL @ Thinking Vox is anything but Trash-tier. CNN's close, but Vox is absolute garbage, it's basically a reskin of Buzzfeed.

Vox is actually more credible than Infowars. A LOT more credible actually considering how trash Infowars is. Vox is very partisan with liberal analysis of news but at least they do it somewhat fairly. Infowars is literal trash on the most extreme far-right platform.

You want to see a blog on the same level as Infowars? Look at the Palmer Report blog.

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If you think that democrat news sources like BBC, NPR, Politico, Washington Post, and Axios are not credible you need to get out of the right-wing partisan bubble and realize there is more to our lives than identity politics. You can not seriously compare sources that lean left to be equivalent to communist propaganda.


There are literally ZERO sources on the Infowars article showing where they got this information. If you follow one of the sources it leads to "Information Liberation", another extreme right-wing partisan news outlet full of trash. They then link the SAME thing about HARPA to a (finally credible) new outlet, the Washington Post ( https://beta.washingtonpost.com/poli...lent-behavior/ ).

If you look through that article you'll see very clearly that they DO NOT mention this new system to do "social checks" for gun purchases. It's all speculation by commenters, not by the actual sources. Commenters are saying that this new agency could close links between people who are exhibiting violent signs to red-flag laws. If you want to talk about how such an agency could step on rights without due process then go for it but saying that the Trump Administration is going to create an agency to do "social checks" is literal nonsense and goes way off its actual purpose.
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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
Democrats are pushing "red flag laws" which allow police, family members, and coworkers to petition a state court ordering the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves.

Democrats have also passed resolutions declaring the National Rifle Association a "terrorist organization" and therefore its members terrorists.

Terrorists present a danger to others.

Although it would not hold up under the current Supreme Court, it's not a big stretch to get from gun enthusiast = terrorist = red flagged.

The Trump Administration supporting this is exceedingly unlikely given him only winning the election because swing states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Michigan did not like Hilary Clinton's position on gun rights.

The probability of President Trump "being reasonable" and "exploring options" leading up to the 2020 is effectively100%.

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Just don't use any Apple, Google or Amazon "devices."

Should significantly depress the market for such devices if they go there.
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Iím perhaps the last person in America who doesnít have any social media. Itís funny because everyone does a social media search for new jobs, etc. And you have to be careful because anything you posted 10 years ago, something at the time funny, stupid, or even sarcastic, can have you cancelled.

It whatís funnier is that now if you donít have any social media youíre seen as suspect, having something to hide.


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Iím perhaps the last person in America who doesnít have any social media. Itís funny because everyone does a social media search for new jobs, etc. And you have to be careful because anything you posted 10 years ago, something at the time funny, stupid, or even sarcastic, can have you cancelled.

It whatís funnier is that now if you donít have any social media youíre seen as suspect, having something to hide.


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I hate to burst your bubble, but what you are typing on right now, IE calguns is in fact social media.
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I am in serious trouble since other than e-mails to family and friends I only go to this site. But then I wear a baseball cap that says when guns are outlawed then I am an outlaw so what can I say.
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Vox is actually more credible than Infowars. A LOT more credible actually considering how trash Infowars is. Vox is very partisan with liberal analysis of news but at least they do it somewhat fairly. Infowars is literal trash on the most extreme far-right platform.
Where in my comment did you see me mention Infowars? I'm not comparing Vox and Infowars, I just think it's funny you think Vox is at all credible. Alex Jones, back when he did his AM radio show (friend's dad used to listen to it when I was a kid) actually had some pretty prescient content-- when it wasn't about UFO's.

Vox is hardly credible. It's editorial at best, and propaganda at worst. They purposefully misstate their own sources to mislead the reader, it's not even "analysis" it is, in fact, propaganda. That is, if they bother citing a source, most of the time they're quoting studies, and I am not even talking about politically focused articles, their lifestyle and finance sections are complete trash and, assuming one even bothers to read the source they cite, it typically does not support the conclusions the author is trying to lead the reader to.

Then again, that same thing could be said of a lot of the "credible" media outlets that have online presence, the Atlantic, New Yorker, New York Times, CNN, Fox News, it's all basically digital toilet paper. It also requires that the reader understands what's being stated in abstracts of research papers, or statistical analyses and understanding the difference between a source study and meta-analysis of aggregated studies.

What's more is a lot of it is more paid-for-word long-format drivel. Driven by the click-generation gig economy.

I like how you simply state that Vox is more credible without any evidence or rationale. I haven't read every article on Vox, but most of it is click-bait tier garbage, some of it's political, some of it isn't. Hell, the man who started it (Ezra Klein) is famous for his explainer videos.

The most dishonest one to date was the one about healthcare costs-- he lends himself credibility by mentioning superficially technical details like what a charge sheet is, and standard medicare maximums per procedure/encounter, but then leads the viewer down this totally back-***wards train of thought that is counter to reality as to how healthcare firms, facilities, and organizations value or price things on the charge sheet or why medicare rates are what they are. Anybody who has a shred of knowledge of the industry or professional experience (I am actually in accounting and finance in the medical care industry, and have both government and private sector experience) recognizes the whole video as a ridiculous propaganda piece.

Anyway, yeah, Vox is garbage, like many other editorial news outlets. Most news outlets are editorial nowadays, to be fair. Because reporting what actually happens or what someone actually said doesn't pay the bills anymore.
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This crap is why we bought our rifles years ago before they kept "tabs" on them.

False closets may become the new home improvement rage if this crap keeps happening.
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When I watch news I check Al Jazeera and RT. Better propaganda with some actual news content.
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