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Old 09-04-2019, 5:54 AM
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Default No longer a crime to refuse to help a cop due to Newsom

"It’s no longer a crime to refuse to help a cop after Gavin Newsom signed this law -- A legal vestige from California’s Wild West days is no more. Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill striking down a law that makes it a crime to refuse a police officer’s request for help. Andrew Sheeler in the Sacramento Bee$ -- 9/3/19"
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Old 09-04-2019, 7:16 AM
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No surprise there. Quickly approaching the point where no one will remember anything about the right thing to do...
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Old 09-04-2019, 7:28 AM
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Seems to me that this law should be reciprocal: in return, the police have no obligation to help Newsom or other politicians if they are attacked. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander - fair is fair!
Commenter: Newsom's "The Snitches Get Stitches law?"
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Old 09-04-2019, 8:17 AM
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Police don't have a duty to protect, or do anything for anyone specifically( Warren v. District of Columbia).

I'm not sure how this is unjust or unfair.
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Old 09-04-2019, 8:41 AM
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When the courts ruled cops have no duty to protect, this law needed to die.

The idea that private citizens have a duty to help LEO's who have no duty to protect private citizens is insane.
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"When the courts ruled cops have no duty to protect, this law needed to die.

The idea that private citizens have a duty to help LEO's who have no duty to protect private citizens is insane".

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Old 09-04-2019, 11:25 AM
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It was a dumb law that needed to go (unless there are court cases where someone “assisting” after being ordered to do so came under some kind of civil protection umbrella from the LE agency they were assisting).
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Like I said in the other thread; if someone is unwilling to help out in an emergency voluntarily (for any reason) I wouldn’t want them around anyway.
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When the courts ruled cops have no duty to protect, this law needed to die.

The idea that private citizens have a duty to help LEO's who have no duty to protect private citizens is insane.
Look around you, every single second, of every single day cops across this nation are doing the right things despite Warren v. District of Columbia.
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Look around you, every single second, of every single day cops across this nation are doing the right things despite Warren v. District of Columbia.
The problem is the issue of compulsion.

Most officers choose help individuals, but they aren't required to.

Why should a citizen be compelled by law to help an officer?
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Look around you, every single second, of every single day cops across this nation are doing the right things despite Warren v. District of Columbia.
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Like I said in the other thread; if someone is unwilling to help out in an emergency voluntarily (for any reason) I wouldn’t want them around anyway.
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A law I never knew existed.

While I doubt I'd join any LEO in a firefight. No reason to not help them otherwise.

Societies work better when people help each other out.
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Old 09-04-2019, 4:15 PM
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Hey you dupe police types - GIVE IT A REST!! If it ain't posted here in this forum, IT AIN'T A DUPE as far as I'm concerned!!!
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It was a dumb law that needed to go (unless there are court cases where someone “assisting” after being ordered to do so came under some kind of civil protection umbrella from the LE agency they were assisting).
Pretty much this. Has anyone ever heard of this actually being used?

I don't like the excuse they used to get rid of it, because I don't think it has any basis in fact. What I understood was this was used often in the days of town marshal's where the need to have additional boots on the ground could often be necessary. I never once heard it was put in place to help capture runaway slave's in California.
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Why should a citizen be compelled by law to help an officer?
Given the correct set of circumstances it would be the right thing to do. But a cop wouldn't and shouldn't expect any help from an anti LE person such as yourself.
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Given the correct set of circumstances it would be the right thing to do. But a cop wouldn't and shouldn't expect any help from an anti LE person such as yourself.
The right thing to do and the a thing the law should compel someone to do aren't synonymous.
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The right thing to do and the a thing the law should compel someone to do aren't synonymous.
If you dislike LE so much (based on your posts) why do you hang out in the LE forum so much?

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I don't screen where posts are. I click "New Posts" and click on thread titles I find interesting.
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I was recently in a scene like this in Tijuana. The mall security had called the cops on a suspected thief and the two TJ cops were fighting him outside on the street. The thief was yelling "Socorro, Socorro!" and his 2 buddies were running up to help him. I and the security guard stood between his accomplices and the cops on the ground fighting the thief. Once his buddies saw I had my pepper spray aimed at them and the security guy was ready, they backed off. I think that was the intent of the old law - cops who were outnumbered could call out for help to face down the bad dudes buddies.
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I will always help an officer in need. But it sounds like this law was out of date and not really enforced. But sounds like Gavin removed it so the public can not help ICE capture the illegals.
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The problem is the issue of compulsion.

Most officers choose help individuals, but they aren't required to.

Why should a citizen be compelled by law to help an officer?
It could be something as simple as an officer asking a civilian to hold a door open to move someone sick or injured. Get something to drink for a tired or overheated little old lady. Maybe hold a baby for someone sick or injured. What kind of a p*ick would say no to that?

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Old 09-23-2019, 10:10 AM
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It could be something as simple as an officer asking a civilian to hold a door open to move someone sick or injured. Get something to drink for a tired or overheated little old lady. Maybe hold a baby for someone sick or injured. What kind of a p*ick would say no to that?
This has nothing to do with any of that. You don't understand the law or its application.

The law used to say, if an officer asked you to help assist in an ARREST or in the prevention of a CRIME, you were required by law to do so if you were 18+ and able.

The law didn't require you to wipe an officer's *** after using the bathroom, if he asked, as there's no ARREST or CRIME associated with the event.

NONE of what you listed would have been required of a person even before Newsom.
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I understand what a hard job LE has, and I get that it's easy to feel like the world's against you. But Fizz said:

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The problem is the issue of compulsion.

Most officers choose help individuals, but they aren't required to.

Why should a citizen be compelled by law to help an officer?
And that is not an unreasonable ask to be honest. But Ernie went deep with:

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Given the correct set of circumstances it would be the right thing to do. But a cop wouldn't and shouldn't expect any help from an anti LE person such as yourself.
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It could be something as simple as an officer asking a civilian to hold a door open to move someone sick or injured. Get something to drink for a tired or overheated little old lady. Maybe hold a baby for someone sick or injured. What kind of a p*ick would say no to that?

The point that I thin is being missed in the hostile (ish) responses is that there should not be a legal compulsion. Period. Doing the right thing is what people do regardless of the law. You simply cannot legislate people into doing the right thing, regardless of context. That's a societal issue, not limited to this situation. That's my 2 cents.
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If you, as a non-LE, believe in this:

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Sir Robert Peel had that one absolutely correct, IMnshO!
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