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Old 08-29-2019, 4:49 PM
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did he get a free pass?
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Old 08-29-2019, 5:19 PM
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Clearly, the trigger works. Test passed!
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Old 08-29-2019, 7:18 PM
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This is what I heard from a person who's child is an RSO deputy and is familiar with the incident, so take it for what its worth:

The student who was shot had a firearm with a mag disconnect. The student handed the firearm over with the slide locked open and loaded mag (not very smart). The instructor inserted the mag (has to have a mag in it to test the trigger), dropped the slide, and pulled the trigger......
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Old 08-29-2019, 7:53 PM
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This is what I heard from a person who's child is an RSO deputy and is familiar with the incident, so take it for what its worth:

The student who was shot had a firearm with a mag disconnect. The student handed the firearm over with the slide locked open and loaded mag (not very smart). The instructor inserted the mag (has to have a mag in it to test the trigger), dropped the slide, and pulled the trigger......


Wow, what a freaking idiot instructor/deputy. Looks like they already passed 99% of the blame on the student regardless.
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Fortunately it wasn't a fatality
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So what is the purpose of the trigger test in the CCW class?
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Old 09-01-2019, 8:02 PM
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The incident happened during a CCW class. The trigger pull is tested for the lbs it takes to pull the trigger. Too light of a trigger is considered unsafe and they will not issue your CCW.
Good thing they do a trigger pull test. If his trigger was too light, someone could have accidentally been shot! Oh wait. Never mind.
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Old 09-03-2019, 9:27 AM
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From what I've been able to piece together this is what seems to have happened:

The student comes in with his handgun empty slide locked back for the instructor to check. The student had the magazines filled and in his pocket/bag ready for the range, not knowing they also needed a magazine in order to check the gun. The instructor requested a magazine for the gun so he could check the trigger since it has a mag disconnect. The student handed the magazine over as requested not knowing the reason he needed the magazine. The instructor inserted the magazine assuming it was empty and sent the slide forward and pointed the gun in an unsafe direction and fired.

Don't know how it's normally done at this facility but if there were instructions to give the instructor the handgun and a magazine ahead of time then the student should have had an empty mag ready with the unloaded handgun. Even then, the instructor should have checked the mag before inserting into the gun and had it pointed in a safe direction the whole time, especially if he planned on pulling the trigger.
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From what I've been able to piece together this is what seems to have happened:

The student comes in with his handgun empty slide locked back for the instructor to check. The student had the magazines filled and in his pocket/bag ready for the range, not knowing they also needed a magazine in order to check the gun. The instructor requested a magazine for the gun so he could check the trigger since it has a mag disconnect. The student handed the magazine over as requested not knowing the reason he needed the magazine. The instructor inserted the magazine assuming it was empty and sent the slide forward and pointed the gun in an unsafe direction and fired.

Don't know how it's normally done at this facility but if there were instructions to give the instructor the handgun and a magazine ahead of time then the student should have had an empty mag ready with the unloaded handgun. Even then, the instructor should have checked the mag before inserting into the gun and had it pointed in a safe direction the whole time, especially if he planned on pulling the trigger.
So, neither the applicant nor the instructor could tell the difference between a loaded/unloaded mag?

As I posted before, a bunch of folks are losing their jobs. The applicant may be a dolt, but he isn’t the culpable or liable party, here.
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So what is the purpose of the trigger test in the CCW class?
They put a trigger gauge on every firearm in my first class.
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Old 09-04-2019, 7:25 PM
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So would I be disqualified from CCW class if my trigger weight is too light?
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So would I be disqualified from CCW class if my trigger weight is too light?
Yea, I think most people would consider anything under 4lbs to be too light for a CCW. Anything above 6lbs is considered too heavy for accurate shooting for the average person.
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Yea, I think most people would consider anything under 4lbs to be too light for a CCW. Anything above 6lbs is considered too heavy for accurate shooting for the average person.
But in this case they are not using a scale to measure the weight, just some dolts finger.

I have never had one of my ccw weapons inspected like this, they just write down the serial #.
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Student perhaps messed up.

Instructor perhaps messed up.

Difference is instructor is a professional and should know better. He should be fired and put in jail.

No one is above the law. He negligently shot a guy. Eff that guy...
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Old 09-08-2019, 10:49 PM
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How the heck do you not notice there's a round in the mag? That seems like a very obvious fundamental visual "inspection". And if there was a MD, was there an LCI as well?

Someone was simply not paying attention. The most important "safety feature" clearly malfunctioned...
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Old 09-09-2019, 9:04 AM
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So, this would be a good reason why government shouldnt be allowed to decide what arms are acceptable for self defense... beyond the 'it's none of their business'.
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So would I be disqualified from CCW class if my trigger weight is too light?

You don’t get “disqualified”, but the gun might not be allowed to be listed on your qualifying handguns.

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So, this would be a good reason why government shouldnt be allowed to decide what arms are acceptable for self defense... beyond the 'it's none of their business'.
Alternatively, it proves that even a “Not Unsafe” firearm is still unacceptably dangerous even in the hands of a trained, experienced professional.

There are no accidents, nor is there negligence nor personal responsibility. To assess these would diminish an individual’s self-esteem. So...there are only unsafe things which must be banned.
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This is not about shared blame. This idiot pointed a firearm at a human being and jerked the trigger. Everything that happened is 100% his fault.

A drunk plowed into my friend while she was legally parked on a residential street eating some fast food waiting for her boyfriend to get home from work. His lawyers tried to claim she was partially to blame for her injuries because she didn't have her seatbelt on while not driving.
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