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Old 09-10-2019, 10:02 AM
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Your government (and, yes, San Francisco is essentially "your government") has declared that you are someone who has no rights, who should be hunted down and killed on sight, that there should be no due process. Because that's what a terrorist is. CA is now essentially Germany in the early '30s. How many people wished to God they'd gotten out of Germany by about 1938? How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?

Why on Earth would you stay?!?!
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it isn't that easy to drive me from my home.
rather than run, i will hold the flag and fight.


I share this feeling. My family has been in this state for over 120 years and I am prepared to stay and fight.


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My family has been in this state for over 120 years and I am prepared to stay and fight.
One of wife's ancestors was here before it was a state. But that isn't going to hold us here. My ancestors got to MA in 1620 and worked their way to MI over the next 200 years by buying tracts of trees and turning them into farms. When they got to MI the soil sucked so they couldn't resell and were stuck. After 130 years there my parents packed up and came to CA (I was 2) in 1952. We went to MI every 5-10 years and by the 1970s my dad said we don't have to go there anymore because there was nothing left that held good memories. Places torn down, bad neighborhoods, closed businesses, the list goes on.

CA is the same for us. We'll retire/move to NV in 2020 and make new memories. At least there my vote for Trump may help.

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it isn't that easy to drive me from my home.
rather than run, i will hold the flag and fight.
+1 here same boat and still have the will ^^^
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I'll stay and try to make it better. Fleeing isnt going to help. You're not going to meet Cindy Crawford in Delaware.
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Tomorrow night I fly to Vegas to look at 4 houses and hopefully make an offer on one. The toughest part of the decision was having to resign my position at my gun club.

This state needs a do-over.
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Tomorrow night I fly to Vegas to look at 4 houses and hopefully make an offer on one. The toughest part of the decision was having to resign my position at my gun club.

This state needs a do-over.


Vegas is fun but donít overlook the Reno/Sparks area. Iíve spent a lot of time in This area lately and it is an amazing area. And Vegas is slowly turning into an LA annex.
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Vegas is fun but donít overlook the Reno/Sparks area. Iíve spent a lot of time in This area lately and it is an amazing area. And Vegas is slowly turning into an LA annex.
Gotta ride the real estate wave and make money while the making is good.

We already have a townhouse in Vegas so we know the area. It's a 4-5 year layover before moving further East and going to Texas, or Oklahoma, the part of Texas that went to high school.
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Tomorrow night I fly to Vegas to look at 4 houses and hopefully make an offer on one. The toughest part of the decision was having to resign my position at my gun club.

This state needs a do-over.
I bought a house in Vegas in 2012 when the market was depressed. I now belong to the Desert Sportsmens Rifle and Pistol Club near Red Rock on Charleston. It puts any gun club to shame in California. All manner of firearms are allowed including machine guns. They have ranges specifically for machine guns. For those who shoot long range they have 1000 yard ranges. Unfortunately, I still have a house in California and have not left completely due to family ties. My wifes father at 93 refuses to go and he needs attention. Also, more importantly, my son works in SoCal. So we want to be able to be close to our son. Closer than 4 hours away anyway.

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Monday morning update.

Made an offer on a house and it was accepted.

4bedroom/3bath/3car garage; inground hottub and pool and includes the pool table in the mancave. It's in Summerlin up in the hills and is beautiful. Neighbor is a former fire captain and the neighbors are pro-2a. Already have plans to go shooting with the current owner and neighbor.

The countdown has officially started...
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Monday morning update.

Made an offer on a house and it was accepted.

4bedroom/3bath/3car garage; inground hottub and pool and includes the pool table in the mancave. It's in Summerlin up in the hills and is beautiful. Neighbor is a former fire captain and the neighbors are pro-2a. Already have plans to go shooting with the current owner and neighbor.

The countdown has officially started...
I have a home in Sun City Summerlin. Hope to see you at the Desert Sportsmen Rife and Pistol Club. You will forget your old Caifornia gun club quickly with the world class facility here.
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Simple: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
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Simple: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Pension, max out 401k maxed Roth IRA, I have family here too but I donít have a skill set to get a high paying job in another state I put more into retirement than I would make in another state. 15 more years and I hopefully will be able to retire in another state in my early 50s
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Because my wife has a 15 year old son from a previous marriage with shared custody. Dad is not so keen on his son moving to Free America or anywhere else he wouldn't have "control" over him, even though the son very much dislikes CA and wants to move.

All 3 of us have already "left CA" mentally, unfortunately it's just going to take another few years to do so physically.
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Your government (and, yes, San Francisco is essentially "your government") has declared that you are someone who has no rights, who should be hunted down and killed on sight, that there should be no due process. Because that's what a terrorist is. CA is now essentially Germany in the early '30s. How many people wished to God they'd gotten out of Germany by about 1938? How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?

Why on Earth would you stay?!?!


Well, other than the hyperbole of your post, since I do have guns and a CCW license....

Born/raised, schooled, family in SoCal for my 63 years, wife/stepson have roots from nearby Mexico, 1 year of work left, weather is the best, love my house situation. My life is GREAT, other than the withering gun rights and occasional spastic Cali intrusiveness.

Just starting to explore whether I could MENTALLY move from my life's existence, or not.......


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Well, other than the hyperbole of your post, since I do have guns and a CCW license....

Born/raised, schooled, family in SoCal for my 63 years, wife/stepson have roots from nearby Mexico, 1 year of work left, weather is the best, love my house situation. My life is GREAT, other than the withering gun rights and occasional spastic Cali intrusiveness.

Just starting to explore whether I could MENTALLY move from my life's existence, or not.......


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The withering gun rights had no impact on me as I chose not to comply. It would be an inconvenience going cross border to buy my ammo in bulk and make other purchases, but I do not comply with laws that infringe on my rights. I stopped complying a long time ago. I carried concealed without permission slip and absolutely refused to register my AR builds. The next thing coming will be an outright ban and mandatory "buy back" with the registration lists making it very easy for the CA DOJ to round them up just like they did years ago in DC. One must remember that the criminals are not impacted by any of the gun laws and will be at an advantage over those that do comply. Currently they build their own in their garage and ammo laws are circumvented by reloading. The next round of gun control will most likely address all components that can be currently purchased to build an AR or other firearm and also reloading components. The plan is to ensnare all gun owners in violations at every turn. When residents start going cross border to make their purchases, they will start sending agents to monitor CA plated vehicles at the usual places such as gun stores and shows then pull them over when they cross the state line. The plan will be to make some examples out of a few to scare the rest into total compliance and submission. Just a matter of time if the SCOTUS does not stop it. I do not comply because evil has visited us twice resulting in my wife being raped and my sister in law being beat to death during a carjacking. My primary responsibility is to the safety of myself and family. It was not a hard decision to make.

My application for CCW was denied twice. I am a combat vet with no criminal record and an engineer with a consulting firm. I left the state for business reasons about three years ago. Not sure if the law changed, but when I was a resident, if I was caught carrying a gun I lawfully owned concealed without permit, the penalty was a minor misdemeanor and possible fine.
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You can stand and fight, but running only delays it. Look at the role CA politicians play on the national level. If no none here is fighting them it will spread even faster. At some point you have to take a stand unless you are old enough to think you can run away and avoid it til you die.
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Beaches, mountains, nice weather. Sometimes I think we have Russian spy accounts trying to rile us up. Not today. So I ignore them. Take Californiaís good with the bad. If I leave California it wonít be because of guns or politics. The grass has different shades everywhere you go
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The government is going to kill us with no due process? Is this happening already? If so, share some links. I haven't heard anything about this yet. Maybe we could report this to the NRA and see if they can help us.
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SF is not my government and after 60 years no one is running me out of my home no matter how many special interest laws that are passed. Maybe california will be my alamo and if it is then so be it. I refuse to surrender to the people I pay to serve me not control me. if the government wants lives then how many are they willing to give up? The government failed to keep guns out of the hands of crazies and criminals when they decided to take guns from everyone and make it impossible for the average citizen to defend themselves immediately. This is a fight for armed control and we are fighting to stay free by arming ourselves.
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Your government (and, yes, San Francisco is essentially "your government") has declared that you are someone who has no rights, who should be hunted down and killed on sight, that there should be no due process. Because that's what a terrorist is. CA is now essentially Germany in the early '30s. How many people wished to God they'd gotten out of Germany by about 1938? How long until they change their tune from "NRA members" to "gun owners" to "Republicans"?

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I have a job I really like and a nothing spectacular but nice house with no mortgage and I like the weather.

Now, in a 2 or 3 years when i retire, the only thing keeping me here will be the weather, i can afford to stay since i have no mortgage but i can also sell and buy elsewhere and have money left over. The only question is when do i retire.
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.

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I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.
^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
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Moved out of CA past November (to ID). Wife and I in our mid-70's so we could have lived out our lives in CA, but our place (5 acres) was really too large; wanting to move/downsize in any event why stay in the hell-hole that California has now become? Near perfect weather is not enough. Would have been different if our place had been in a more rural area.
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
It will save them, just not their kids.
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^^^^^ This pretty much sums it up. Leaving will not save you.
This is why it's imperative that all CA ex-pats vote in every single election after moving. Even if you're in a "safe" red state, vote against any and all progressive candidates and initiatives. An attempt must be made to stall these people as long as possible.
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'Red flag' gun laws have caused backlash
Many counties in Colorado refuse to enforce law

GREELEY, Colo. - In the wake of recent mass shootings, President Donald Trump has called for "red flag" laws, which would temporarily prevent individuals in crisis from accessing firearms through a court order.

That has some wondering whether Congress could enact national red flag legislation in a rare instance of Democrats and Republicans coming together to pass a gun law.

But in Colorado, the state's passage of a red flag law has sparked a backlash.

The state's red flag law won't take effect until next year, but opponents have already filed a lawsuit attempting to overturn it. A number of the state's counties have declared themselves Second Amendment "sanctuaries" in an effort to fight back and some sheriffs, including Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams, have said they would rather go to jail than enforce the law.

Reams believes Colorado's red flag law is unconstitutional and is afraid of what will happen when it takes effect.

"My biggest fear for the law is violating someone's constitutional rights and the potential for placing my deputies in a situation for an encounter with an armed individual," Reams told CNN.

The law allows family, household members and law enforcement to petition for a court order to temporarily take guns away from an individual deemed to be at significant risk of hurting themselves or others by having a firearm.

The sheriff believes the law infringes on the constitutional right to due process and the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure.

"Once you fail to stand up for people's constitutional rights, then what's next?" Reams said.

Seventeen states and the District of Columbia have adopted red flag laws, otherwise known as extreme risk protection orders. In some, like in Florida after the Parkland high school shooting, the measures have been signed into law by Republican governors.

As lawmakers face pressure to take action, legislation to incentivize states to enact red flag laws has won support from Democrats and Republicans in Congress. The House Judiciary Committee voted to approve red flag legislation on Tuesday as part of a series of measures to address gun violence. The legislation would still need to be voted on by the full House to advance and it is unclear what gun control legislation if any the GOP-controlled Senate would take up.



A national model or cautionary tale


Colorado is either a national model for red flag legislation or a cautionary tale, depending on whom you talk to.

Supporters argue that the law is a common sense way to make the state safer and proves it is possible to pass stronger gun laws in a purple state, not just in parts of the country that are deep blue.

"If you can do it in Colorado, you can do it in all 50 states," said former state senator Mike Johnston, a Democrat who recently dropped out of the Colorado Democratic primary for US Senate. "The Colorado model should be what we do at the federal level to get reasonable gun safety for the whole country."

Opponents say it violates constitutional rights and will have dangerous consequences, and they argue that the backlash shows just how forcefully a national red flag law would be opposed.

"We're seeing a very significant pushback in the state and I think you'd see that nationally too," said Patrick Neville, the Republican minority leader of Colorado's House of Representatives and a survivor of the Columbine shooting, adding that he believes "it would be a huge mistake" to pass a national red flag law.
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.




They want to kill you and everything you stand for.



The Reconquista of the West is slowly turning the Southwest blue Mexfornia is too far gone Arizona is not there yet, ARs and AKs are still plentiful as well as ammunition and standard capacity magazines you canít say the same for Kalifornia I am enjoy it and will put up a fight to save Constitutional Rights in Arizona
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Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.

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As gun control advocates see more of their proposed policies become law, another group with a decidedly different aim is also gaining momentum. It’s a loose network of local officials who are refusing to enforce the new laws, which include measures to require universal background checks, or ban assault weapons, or temporarily remove firearms from those deemed a danger to themselves or others.

The name for this new tactic is “nullification,” and the localities that are practicing it are calling themselves “Second Amendment sanctuaries” — a tactic that, ironically, was partly inspired by efforts to establish immigration and marijuana sanctuaries.

In some cases, county sheriffs have publicly said they will not enforce the new laws. This has happened in at least six states: Nevada, New Mexico, Washington, Colorado, Oregon, and Illinois.

In Washington, sheriffs in more than half of the counties have refused to enforce new gun regulations. One, Bob Songer of Klickitat County, has gone even further — saying he might prevent state and federal police from enforcing them.

In Nevada, one sheriff who recently refused to enforce a new gun law wrote a letter to the governor likening the measure to Hitler’s gun policies.
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Old 09-16-2019, 8:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rcjackrabbit View Post
Other states in the West are quickly turning Blue.

Texas will be blue in 5 years
Oregon is more screwed up than Kali.
Washington is bad.
Idaho is nice now. But, give it 10 years. It will be blue too.
Even Arizona is slowly turning blue.
Colorado is blue.
New Mexico is hell on earth.

Get the picture? You can move now. But, don't expect it to last. Too many snowflake kids voting for socialism / Marxism.

I recommend you harden yourself up for the upcoming purge of all things conservative when the Demoncrats retake the Federal government. Get fit. Get out of debt. Get prepared.

They want to kill you and everything you stand for.

THIS^^^
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I think as a wave of conservatives head for Arizona those trends may not go the way some expect.

We're here because my wife's career is here. It doesn't truly exist elsewhere. We've got 21 years to go. Out of state property will be purchased before that date hits. We'll see how AZ trends.

Nevada is probably screwed. Idaho? Eh. Don't see that happening.
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Working on getting out now. Will find out about a serious job offer in the coming week or two. This state is lost. Ill be happy not to give it any more of my tax dollars.
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My wife retires in four.
I plan to retire in seven years at most. More likely five years.
Then we leave....
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