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Old 09-04-2019, 8:20 AM
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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
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A social score to exercise a constitutional right? At first I'd say no way but the way things are rapidly going....
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Info wars while not the gold standard for credibility rates much higher than the democrat media.

Its reported CNN has announced that hurricanes are a result of climate change. Nice to know if everyone stops oil hurricanes will stop. This makes sense ! hahahah

As for the story itself President Trump is not a fan of big tech considering the way they slant their search data!

regardless my omega watch does not do much but tell time !
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This came up on AR15.com at the end of last year... What’s your social credit score? Your next firearm purchase might depend on it one day

One of the links went to another thread... NY Doubles Down on Stupid-ny proposes searching social media prior to gun purchases

So, evidently, it is a "thing" that's been discussed in certain circles.
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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
We already have a social credit score system for purchasing firearms:

1. Are you a felon in jail?
2. Are you in a supervised care arrangement for the dangerously mentally ill.
3. Is there a warrant out for your arrest?

and of course, thanks to the NRA (GCA 1968) we have #4...

4. Are you an ex-felon, time served, free to go?
5. Has a restraining order been issued against you?
6. Do you use recreational drugs?
7. Are you on anti-psychotics?

Criminal record, county/state monitored medical record, legal guardianship status - are all markers of your "social" condition.

Old news...

Re-labeling or re-packaging something doesn't make it new.

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OK, we have to consider the source. Infowars is not the gold standard. But if this is true, it is very worrying: https://www.infowars.com/trump-admin...can-buy-a-gun/
It would be interesting to see who might be aligned against this sort of thing.
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Oh its fershur real.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/...ojects-agency/

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https://www.harpa.org/ objective is to lead the development of new capabilities in biomedical research

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so for those who don't have any social media accounts? are they automatically banned from owning guns?
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so for those who don't have any social media accounts? are they automatically banned from owning guns?
Of course.
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so for those who don't have any social media accounts? are they automatically banned from owning guns?


Iím perhaps the last person in America who doesnít have any social media. Itís funny because everyone does a social media search for new jobs, etc. And you have to be careful because anything you posted 10 years ago, something at the time funny, stupid, or even sarcastic, can have you cancelled.

It whatís funnier is that now if you donít have any social media youíre seen as suspect, having something to hide.


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Iím perhaps the last person in America who doesnít have any social media. Itís funny because everyone does a social media search for new jobs, etc. And you have to be careful because anything you posted 10 years ago, something at the time funny, stupid, or even sarcastic, can have you cancelled.

It whatís funnier is that now if you donít have any social media youíre seen as suspect, having something to hide.


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I hate to burst your bubble, but what you are typing on right now, IE calguns is in fact social media.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but what you are typing on right now, IE calguns is in fact social media.


In a sense yes, but if they google my name, Rumplestiltskin Methuselah (hence rm1911)...ok, whoím I kidding. Thatís not my real name, but whatever my real name is, nothing from calguns would pop up.

There isnít anything that links my real name to this site nor anything Iíve ever posted. Now, sure, the feds could very well look up my IP address from my home, iPad, etc., and could maybe subpoena my gadgets and whatnot, and demand calguns turns over an IP register, etc, do a reverse lookup, etc., but that ainít the same thing.

Itíd take a much deeper scan which I agree theyíd be well able to discover. But could they really get that deep for every background check?

Yeah, I bought and sold some guns in the marketplace. So yeah, thereís a dros or two, and someone somewhere could, well, figure out but first theyíd have to know I was on calguns, and well, this ainít social media like twitter or Facebook or whatever.

And actually calguns is a social forum, not social media. In fact, precisely because thereís a level of anonymity it isnít social media. I have no idea if Bigtwin is my next door neighbor or in a other state, a girl or guy, or whatever gender or orientation.


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Dude look how many pictures you posted of your kids on here. If you think there's anonymity built into these forums, you are sorely mistaken (even more so in your case).
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In a sense yes, but if they google my name, Rumplestiltskin Methuselah (hence rm1911)...ok, who’m I kidding. That’s not my real name, but whatever my real name is, nothing from calguns would pop up.

There isn’t anything that links my real name to this site nor anything I’ve ever posted. Now, sure, the feds could very well look up my IP address from my home, iPad, etc., and could maybe subpoena my gadgets and whatnot, and demand calguns turns over an IP register, etc, do a reverse lookup, etc., but that ain’t the same thing.

It’d take a much deeper scan which I agree they’d be well able to discover. But could they really get that deep for every background check?

Yeah, I bought and sold some guns in the marketplace. So yeah, there’s a dros or two, and someone somewhere could, well, figure out but first they’d have to know I was on calguns, and well, this ain’t social media like twitter or Facebook or whatever.

And actually calguns is a social forum, not social media. In fact, precisely because there’s a level of anonymity it isn’t social media. I have no idea if Bigtwin is my next door neighbor or in a other state, a girl or guy, or whatever gender or orientation.
This site has probably a dozen tracking cookies that are easy to link to your IP footprint, your mobile device ids, and everything else easily extractable with a proper court order. Then you run your post lexical and sentiment analysis, figure out your orientation and what not, cross correlate with known risk factors, and send SWAT to your place of residence. All with a script.
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....... It whatís funnier is that now if you donít have any social media youíre seen as suspect, having something to hide.
Not true!

Lots of social media accounts are being abandoned or closed because users want privacy and to distance themselves from it.

Itís about ďlikesĒ and eventually only the mentality Iíll will have accounts, making them the ineligible to own a gun.

My wifeís a head hunter, and sheís thorough about searching anyoneís social media history. Employers are looking for the right fit, and as a fly on the wall sort of speak, I would avoid social media!
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Lots of social media accounts are being abandoned or closed because users want privacy and to distance themselves from it.



Itís about ďlikesĒ and eventually only the mentality Iíll will have accounts, making them the ineligible to own a gun.



My wifeís a head hunter, and sheís thorough about searching anyoneís social media history. Employers are looking for the right fit, and as a fly on the wall sort of speak, I would avoid social media!


As well they should. But my point was Iíve never had any of the social media stuff. The big, ubiquitous stuff. Iíve purposefully avoided any and all of it.

But itís that like 98% of people will have something social media related, even if itís a moribund, our of date, Facebook page, Instagram, etc. Or whatever. So itís almost expected that youíd have something. If thereís nothing bad there, good news.

But itís like credit. I had a friend who hated credit cards. Older guy. Never had one. Literally bought his car with cash. Had almost no credit history. However, never missed any bills or anything ever. It wasnít that he had bad credit history, but pretty much none at all. He and his wife wanted to downsize after kids moved out. They ran a credit check on him and he had trouble qualifying for a loan. They told him heíd have been better with bad credit than none at all.

If someone wanted to do a search for me, theyíd come up pretty empty. So my lack of presence is what would stand out. Better I should post nothing but cat videos and complaints about the dodgers bullpen.
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Here is the problem - abuse of POWER.

I am a 4X Son of the American Revolution - I love the Republic.

The Republic is not in vogue today, so I am not in vogue, meaning some bureaucrat can deny my Constitutional Rights to the 1st and 2nd Amendment because my politics are different than theirs.

Today in a 7-2 vote the SCOTUS finally grew a pair and allowed a Executive Branch Rule, banning asylum seekers from Central and South American, if they first don't apply for asylum in Mexico.

The activist Judge in San Francisco and the 9th Circus got their asses handed to them - finally.

In a perfect world maybe but in a world that wants to discard the Republic for Marxism - no way in hell, ask Hong Kong if you need a reference.

Subjective and arbitrary systems can be manipulated by those in power, look at the No Fly List and the people on it that should not be.

Read your World History, it is the same old, same old, nothing has evolved the human political world, in the last 6,000 years, nor will it anytime soon.
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What about this scenario:

This becomes a thing. You have a great social score and are ALLOWED to by an AR. A few years down the road you're having a rough year and your social score drops to an undesirable level. You're now distraught and worry they'll take you're gun so you run into a mall and start mowing people down. Again, this "solution" has done nothing to stop violence.

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Sounds unconstitutional on its face, but if they do it, how many years/decades of liberals shopping for judges and subsequent appeals before it hits SCOTUS and gets overturned? (we hope).

Best to shout this bad idea down now.
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Eventually our robot overlords will decide this for us.
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Excellent. Another plan to violate someone's 4th Amendment rights in order to remove their 2nd.
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i have never had a social account so where does that leave me? when the second falls all the others will follow. the generation that allowed America to fail. Interesting time in history.
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i have never had a social account so where does that leave me? when the second falls all the others will follow. the generation that allowed America to fail. Interesting time in history.
You do have an account ďwarbirdĒ on an extremist assault weapon promoting website. -20 to social credit.
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What do you think you posted 1k times on....a carrier pigeon?
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Please give me the link since i am totally unaware of it if it is not calguns. Anyone can use the name "warbird" on a site i have never been on. This is my only site. Are you calling this site an extremist weapon promoting website? I only collect black powder weapons so you have something screwed up. Please describe what an extremist assault weapon is by description and give examples. Otherwise we might think you are a troll who is trolling.

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Please give me the link since i am totally unaware of it if it is not calguns. Anyone can use the name "warbird" on a site i have never been on. This is my only site. Are you calling this site an extremist weapon promoting website? I only collect black powder weapons so you have something screwed up. Please describe what an extremist assault weapon is by description and give examples. Otherwise we might think you are a troll who is trolling.
It is calguns. You are losing social credits right here.
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Live in flyover country, -20 points
Voted for Trump, -100 points
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Watch Fox News, -50 points
Purchase patriotic theme clothing, -30 points
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I'm in quite the hole without even using "social media".
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Can I trade carbon credits for social rank boost?
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Yes, stopping farting methane would work for that.
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What do you think you posted 1k times on....a carrier pigeon?
When I first started using calguns, it was just an old cork board on the side of the road near Chowchilla, and I used to send my posts there on 3x5 card by carrier pigeon.

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When I first started using calguns, it was just an old cork board on the side of the road near Chowchilla, and I used to send my posts there on 3x5 card by carrier pigeon.

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And Kestryll was still in his egg.
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Infowars is an extreme-right wing source with trash info all over everything they upload.

They're not just the "non-golden standard", they are trash-tier standard. The democrat equivalent to Infowars is something like Occupy Democrats, not CNN or Vox.

A LOT of Democrat news sources are going to be far, FAR, more credible than Infowars; Some of you guys are hilarious... I wouldn't take anything on that site seriously. Look at the Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, or The Hill if you want right-wing news sources that aren't full of non-credible nonsense.
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Infowars is an extreme-right wing source with trash info all over everything they upload.

They're not just the "non-golden standard", they are trash-tier standard. The democrat equivalent to Infowars is something like Occupy Democrats, not CNN or Vox.

A LOT of Democrat news sources are going to be far, FAR, more credible than Infowars; Some of you guys are hilarious... I wouldn't take anything on that site seriously. Look at the Wall Street Journal, The Weekly Standard, or The Hill if you want right-wing news sources that aren't full of non-credible nonsense.
If you think any democrat news source is credible, you are delusional. There are no credible Bolshevik propaganda sources.
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considering some of the far left and right wing stuff i have seen on this site it is more the entertainment channel than anything else. I guess I am really into the negative points if calguns counts against me.
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Guess i am screwed in the negative points column. Well at least I am not on the big sites spreading the junk they spread. your right if I send anything anyplace by computer I guess it counts as a social site. My bad i am old fashion and use the telephone or meet people.
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The democrat equivalent to Infowars is something like Occupy Democrats, not CNN or Vox.
LOL @ Thinking Vox is anything but Trash-tier. CNN's close, but Vox is absolute garbage, it's basically a reskin of Buzzfeed.
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LOL @ Thinking Vox is anything but Trash-tier. CNN's close, but Vox is absolute garbage, it's basically a reskin of Buzzfeed.

Vox is actually more credible than Infowars. A LOT more credible actually considering how trash Infowars is. Vox is very partisan with liberal analysis of news but at least they do it somewhat fairly. Infowars is literal trash on the most extreme far-right platform.

You want to see a blog on the same level as Infowars? Look at the Palmer Report blog.

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If you think any democrat news source is credible, you are delusional. There are no credible Bolshevik propaganda sources.
If you think that democrat news sources like BBC, NPR, Politico, Washington Post, and Axios are not credible you need to get out of the right-wing partisan bubble and realize there is more to our lives than identity politics. You can not seriously compare sources that lean left to be equivalent to communist propaganda.


There are literally ZERO sources on the Infowars article showing where they got this information. If you follow one of the sources it leads to "Information Liberation", another extreme right-wing partisan news outlet full of trash. They then link the SAME thing about HARPA to a (finally credible) new outlet, the Washington Post ( https://beta.washingtonpost.com/poli...lent-behavior/ ).

If you look through that article you'll see very clearly that they DO NOT mention this new system to do "social checks" for gun purchases. It's all speculation by commenters, not by the actual sources. Commenters are saying that this new agency could close links between people who are exhibiting violent signs to red-flag laws. If you want to talk about how such an agency could step on rights without due process then go for it but saying that the Trump Administration is going to create an agency to do "social checks" is literal nonsense and goes way off its actual purpose.
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