Sad to see what has become of the Pink Pistols

[tanman8907]

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

[Dirtlaw]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

If you have the time take the lead.

[HKAllTheThings]

This group never made sense to me considering its membership practiced something that a majority of those politically-aligned with the same cause found uncomfortable. It's a little like being an evangelical Democrat.

[Jeepergeo]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

Can I translate the part where I added bold? A statement like that almost always means the writer/speaker/poster wants somebody OTHER THAN THEMSELVES to take the ball and run with it. And please don't tell me I'm wrong about the OP, let the OP show us what specific actions the OP has personally taken to resurrect the Pink Pistols.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by Jeepergeo

Can I translate the part where I added bold? A statement like that almost always means the writer/speaker/poster wants somebody OTHER THAN THEMSELVES to take the ball and run with it. And please don't tell me I'm wrong about the OP, let the OP show us what specific actions the OP has personally taken to resurrect the Pink Pistols.

That was sort of the point of this post. I asked specific questions about the state of the organization in order to ascertain information and maybe a starting point of contact. With that being said, nobody has yet to answer my questions so I am still in the dark.

With that being said, I will not self-elect myself to be the savior of the Pink Pistols. I have been down a similar road before and my experience is that this is way too much responsibility for one guy and burnout is all but assured before any real traction is gained. I would very much like to help out though (like say maybe be in charge of one aspect like the webmaster, web designer, and/or the marketing/company registration/fundraising/bookkeeping consultant) if I could team up with a few others who would be willing to put in some work to get the organization up and running again. That is the key though and why I need a starting point of contact.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by Dirtlaw

If you have the time take the lead.

See my reply to Jeepergeo.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by HKAllTheThings

This group never made sense to me considering its membership practiced something that a majority of those politically-aligned with the same cause found uncomfortable. It's a little like being an evangelical Democrat.

I am assuming in this reply that you are unaffirming if you say, "practicing something" but I apologize if I am incorrect.

You seem to paint with multiple broad brushes there in a single statement. Your statement seems to assume that:

• The majority of 2A supporters in California are unaffirming of LGBTQ (which I suspect is way off-base but I cannot prove of course).
• That unaffirming 2A supporters in CA are disinterested in supporting LGBTQ people who are interested in learning about/owning firearms.
• That LGBTQ people do not have a viable place in the 2A supporting community.

I'll have you know that almost every LGBTQ friend that I have is either interested in shooting, has been shooting before and enjoyed it, owns a gun, or wants to own a gun and are anywhere from passively to actively supportive of 2A rights on some level or another. I've been teaching my various LGBTQ friends to shoot for a few years now and the wait list is super long. By the time I am done, I will have been shooting with/taught how to shoot like 95 percent of my many various Southern California LGBTQ friends. But I understand your disregard; this is likely something you would not know or ever experience if you spend your time within circles that refer to LGBTQ as, "practicing something".

Also, your comment seems to contribute little to my post except pessimism and unaffirming comments like, "practicing something". My post is clearly LGBTQ affirming and I would clearly not desire such comments. Please directly respond to my post with something positive if you are going to be replying.

[acegunnr]

I think the Liberal Gun Club and the Liberal Gun Owners Association have taken over the mantle.

https://theliberalgunclub.com/

Here is one of their more visible proponents.

https://youtu.be/k_b9HIrjrAY

[pacrat]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

I heard of the Pink Pistols group way back when and, when I recently took interest in joining, I found many factors that indicated to me the total decay of the Pink Pistols society:

1. A burned out Wordpress website (possibly even infected with malware???)
2. a list of chapters with Facebook pages that mostly seem totally unmonitored and disengaged
3. A website reference to having lost contact with chapters entirely or chapters having died
4. Archives last updated July 2020
5. No apparent source of funding for the organization and no donations structure
6. No recent mention of the Pink Pistols in any media that I could find
7. Typos and weird political language throughout the website
8. A website that doesn't even comply with current laws (privacy policy not listed, cookie policy not listed, terms and conditions not listed, and etc).
9. No apparent central leadership whatsoever and nobody even listed to contact
10. A dead link entirely where their forum should be

It is a shame to me that the Pink Pistol group seems to have fizzled out like this on the national level. Does anyone know what happened to the group and why they died out? I'd love to see someone take an interest in actually organizing the group and getting some actual revenue in there so that it doesn't continue to go extinct in this way. Do they even have a non-profit or corporate registration or is it just sort of a cobbled together idea that existed for a while?

Suggest you contact CG member "nicki" they were very active both here and with PP a few yrs ago.

They started this thread last month. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1804689

[splithoof]

Who cares if a person that supports the 2A and RKBA is a part of another “community”? If they can follow the Four Rules, it’s not my business, I don’t ask, and don’t care. Let’s talk guns, shooting, ammo, reloading, and classes first. The other dosen’t matter.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by acegunnr

I think the Liberal Gun Club and the Liberal Gun Owners Association have taken over the mantle.

https://theliberalgunclub.com/

Here is one of their more visible proponents.

https://youtu.be/k_b9HIrjrAY

Thanks for the info! It is cool to see a space where LGBTQ shooters may be more welcomed. But I still wish there was a space for such a focused group.

The video you gave is amazing and I think it adds to this conversation too. Gun use and ownership in the U.S. really is in 2.0 stage now and the sooner that traditional conservative gun owners realize this, the sooner proper focus can be made on rallying 2A support among a much wider population of the U.S. (imo, so much so that non 2A supporters would become a small minority). My desire for such a space for LGBTQ people is a perfect example of that since said people may not feel comfortable in current standing 2A groups which may give off an unaffirming vibe.

The video also mentions the group, Armed Equality, which appears to also have a defunct website.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by pacrat

Suggest you contact CG member "nicki" they were very active both here and with PP a few yrs ago.

They started this thread last month. https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1804689

Thank you so much! I have reached out.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Who cares if a person that supports the 2A and RKBA is a part of another “community”? If they can follow the Four Rules, it’s not my business, I don’t ask, and don’t care. Let’s talk guns, shooting, ammo, reloading, and classes first. The other dosen’t matter.

Yes, this is a really good attitude to have! Unfortunately, with how polarized society has become, many of your 2A peers do not act accordingly and it is hard for LGBTQ people to become exposed to someone willing to expose them to guns or to find a group where they can both feel welcomed and also enjoy developing a shooting trend in their lives.

[static2126]

Originally Posted by HKAllTheThings

This group never made sense to me considering its membership practiced something that a majority of those politically-aligned with the same cause found uncomfortable. It's a little like being an evangelical Democrat.

Most gunowners now are not uncomfortable with gays

[static2126]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

Yes, this is a really good attitude to have! Unfortunately, with how polarized society has become, many of your 2A peers do not act accordingly and it is hard for LGBTQ people to become exposed to someone willing to expose them to guns or to find a group where they can both feel welcomed and also enjoy developing a shooting trend in their lives.

Disagree at least in Texas. Plenty of gay shooters. They do need to overcome initial hesitancy

[-hanko]

Originally Posted by splithoof

Who cares if a person that supports the 2A and RKBA is a part of another “community”? If they can follow the Four Rules, it’s not my business, I don’t ask, and don’t care. Let’s talk guns, shooting, ammo, reloading, and classes first. The other dosen’t matter.

Splithoof is correct.

If you're learning about guns, keep it on guns. Others don't give a schit about your sexual proclivities.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by static2126

Disagree at least in Texas. Plenty of gay shooters. They do need to overcome initial hesitancy

I am curious as to your basis of your opinion. Mine is based on personal experience as well as the personal experiences of many of my LGBTQ peers. I could only find one academic study on LGBTQ gun use but it is a single factor case study and does little to create a deeper understanding of the potential 2A support of LGBTQ people.

Your statement, "They do need to overcome initial hesitancy" indicates a barrier to 2A support for LGBTQ people that should not have to be there and thus why I am inquiring about the state of LGBTQ shooting groups to begin with.

[tanman8907]

Originally Posted by -hanko

Splithoof is correct.

If you're learning about guns, keep it on guns. Others don't give a schit about your sexual proclivities.

This seems to be an optimistic but ultimately oversimplified view of the reality of the experience of LGBTQ people. In an ideal world, we could compartmentalize every opinion and view that we have but that is definitely not how it plays out in reality. The reality is that many 2A supporters ARE vocal about not affirming LGBTQ, do not even intermix with any LGBTQ people in their lives who would be 2A support curious, even feel uncomfortable around LGBTQ people, and the apparent need for LGBTQ accepting spaces within the 2A community is seriously lacking. It only takes one or a few of said outspoken unaffirming people in any 2A group to make someone LGBTQ uncomfortable to be there or likely not to even be aware of the group in the first place.

[Gryff]

While my personal romantic choices don't intersect with those who would be involved with the Pink Pistols, I do support any group that would be advocates for 2A/RKBA.

If someone wants to organize a small group that would like some handgun instruction (or just a chance to shoot), I would happy to host you at Richmond Rod & Gun Club. Depending on the day, there might be the need to pay a small fee for a bay rental, but it would be a nominal cost. I can provide handguns and ammo, although I would like to be reimbursed for the ammo.

[2761377]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

This seems to be an optimistic but ultimately oversimplified view of the reality of the experience of LGBTQ people. In an ideal world, we could compartmentalize every opinion and view that we have but that is definitely not how it plays out in reality. The reality is that many 2A supporters ARE vocal about not affirming LGBTQ, do not even intermix with any LGBTQ people in their lives who would be 2A support curious, even feel uncomfortable around LGBTQ people, and the apparent need for LGBTQ accepting spaces within the 2A community is seriously lacking. It only takes one or a few of said outspoken unaffirming people in any 2A group to make someone LGBTQ uncomfortable to be there or likely not to even be aware of the group in the first place.

sorry, such a "need" does not exist.

the number of alphabet intersectionalists who support 2A is tiny, and of no political consequence.

[JWHuey]

Originally Posted by 2761377

sorry, such a "need" does not exist.

the number of alphabet intersectionalists who support 2A is tiny, and of no political consequence.

I am going to have to agree.

A large part of the 2a, and self defense in general, is that you cannot think of yourself as a victim, or, you will continue to be one.

That applies to all aspects of life...

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

This seems to be an optimistic but ultimately oversimplified view of the reality of the experience of LGBTQ people. In an ideal world, we could compartmentalize every opinion and view that we have but that is definitely not how it plays out in reality. The reality is that many 2A supporters ARE vocal about not affirming LGBTQ, do not even intermix with any LGBTQ people in their lives who would be 2A support curious, even feel uncomfortable around LGBTQ people, and the apparent need for LGBTQ accepting spaces within the 2A community is seriously lacking. It only takes one or a few of said outspoken unaffirming people in any 2A group to make someone LGBTQ uncomfortable to be there or likely not to even be aware of the group in the first place.

Why does anyone from any particular group need to be “affirmed” by anyone else, unless they are trying to spotlight some aspect about them that has nothing to do with the activity at hand? When I attend a shooting event, most everyone acts, and for the majority, dress the same. How would I know if someone was gay for instance, other than them bringing it up? And why would they? It’s a shooting event, not something else.

[splithoof]

Originally Posted by tanman8907

Yes, this is a really good attitude to have! Unfortunately, with how polarized society has become, many of your 2A peers do not act accordingly and it is hard for LGBTQ people to become exposed to someone willing to expose them to guns or to find a group where they can both feel welcomed and also enjoy developing a shooting trend in their lives.

Are they looking to be welcomed on the basis of their personal “status”, or looking to be welcomed as fellow shooters and 2A supporters? I am interested in furthering the 2A and shooting first; including someone on the basis of their lifestyle for the sake of inclusion is not how I operate. They can either demonstrate (or be willing to learn) safe and efficient gun handling or they can’t. If they can’t (or won’t be willing to learn), I won’t have anything to do with them. If they are good at gun handling and shooting, all are welcome.

[ivanimal]

We used to March in the S F and L A pride parades with the pink pistols. W always wanted solidarity among all gun owners. They were well organized just a few years ago. I am sorry to hear that they are not relevant anymore.