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know anything about this Hyundai mini pc?
https://www.target.com/p/hyundai-min...46#lnk=sametab
The only thing I can see that would be a problem is lack of main memory. It says something about being able to expand it, but no details. It has an expandable SATA slot, so I'm covered wrt disk space. |
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Get a NUC instead? i3 or i5 in a smaller footprint.
32-64GB RAM should be standard now. It’s a Celeron CPU anyway, so max platform RAM would only be ~ 6GB (8GB - 1.5GB for video RAM), even if it had a second slot. Programs need more RAM, especially if doing video editing or virtualization of anything more than a couple small Linux VMs. Edit: it also claims to support 2x 4K monitors, but the second connection is an analog VGA connector, which won’t support anything above 2,048 x 1,536 @85Hz. Pretty meager specs; it’s a thin-client for RDP / Web apps, not really a desktop. . Last edited by Robotron2k84; 07-20-2022 at 7:43 PM.. |
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Those M.2 drives are hard to find. At work we have a few small NUC type devices that use the old M.2 so I speak from experience. The NVMe drives are plentiful but aren’t the same thing. The slot looks the same but isn’t.
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NVMe is the electrical spec. M.2 is the physical spec. M.2 is what most NVMe drives are. U.2 being the others, but that’s NVMe in a 2.5” form factor. There are some minor variations on the stick’s keying due to VRM requirements and revision (B, M and B+M). You just need to know which your board wants. Most PCs use the 22mm wide form factor. There are M.2 drives that still utilize a SATA interface, but those have all been deprecated to being called SATA NGFF, and if you go looking for a SATA M.2 drive, it should now be referenced by the new nomenclature. I thought only Intel used this confusing drive spec, but this PC seems to have picked it up as well. The 256GB max (not 2TB) M.2 capacity is the giveaway. Kingston makes a bunch of NGFF drives for these devices. There’s also mSATA, which is a flash SSD stick still using a SATA interface via SATA / PCMCIA pin-outs. Those have a different electrical and physical form factor. |
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There's a SATA SSD on sale too that I figured I could use.
https://www.target.com/p/hyundai-240...s/-/A-78493903 I want to run Tradestation stock charting software on it with 2 monitors. It's also got to use Windoze, so I don't think 4gb is going to cut it. I won't be using any of it's advanced features though. I found something called COOFUN that comes with 16 gigs of memory for a little over $400. |
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You could always run the software on an Azure or Amazon VM and have the mini PC just running the RDP / Display. Although that VGA connector is a bummer. You could just get away with a microSD card for booting it (possibly).
I still think the refurb 2014 Mac Minis are the best deal for running Windows on a SFF PC. Usually $399 on Amazon*, for i7 / 16 GB, 256 SSD. Just make sure to stay away from any of them that have an HDD. * currently $303: may not be a working link after this posts. |
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Nah, I don't want any refurb anything. I've had only bad luck with them.
There are a number of COOFUN versions. This one sounds best to me: https://www.amazon.com/UM350-Compute.../dp/B08NPCPRF1 16 gig RAM, 512 Gig SSD, 1 display port, 1 HDMI. It also has a usb-c port. I saw a gadget that let you daisy-chain monitors on a usb-c. There's also an HP ProDesk 600 G6. https://www.hp.com/us-en/shop/mdp/hp...ll-form-factor It's almost $800 but that's a sale price 50% off the original $1600. It has 2 display ports and an HDMI port. The Hyundai is probably not going to work for me. The good news I found is that for the Tradstation application I want to use, it doesn't use a lot of memory. 8 gig is probably more than enough. But it sucks up the cpu power. Which is fine. If it runs a little slow that's okay. |
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Well, you do get more cores, but the Ryzen 3550H is only about as fast per core as the i7 in the Mac Mini. I doubt on a generic SFF PC that they have as many memory channels as the Mac, so it probably goes at the same speed, or less, overall.
I have 6 of the refurb Minis that I linked to. Not a single problem so far in over a year. The only thing I dislike is the drive they come with is OK for read performance, but has no SLC cache, so write performance is not linear and can sometimes be a pain. I’ve replaced them all (the 250G SATA disks) with NVMe 2TB upgrades from OWC. They are fast as hell, now, albeit not as cost effective as at first. They now come close to the couple of 2018 hexacore Minis I have. I still need x86 VM compatibility, so I too will be looking for another platform once these Apple boxes give up. The other benefit of the Mini is thunderbolt. I have a mesh of thunderbolt connections in a shared TB-bridge ring configuration, so they all are networked at 20Gb/s, which really shines if you have to do large memory-footprint distributed work. I’m still deciding if I want to spend coin to get TB->dual 10Gb adapters and do it over a Cisco Nexus switch. The 2018s already have 10Gb onboard. But, my needs are pretty severe and requiring high speed transfers of large blocks of data. However, I still have my 2007 C2D Mini running Linux as well (it’s my log / Nagios server), so I’m OK with the occasional MB swap to keep them on life support. |
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We actually do run a few Macs too for MDM but they are very VERY unreliable POSs.
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The Mini, and probably the Studio, OTOH, are over-engineered and damn near fault free. The other desktops fall somewhere in the middle. I ran a cloud of 1000 Minis for three years, where they were under constant load and our failure rate was under 1%, and most of the time was just drive failure (this was before they were all NVMe). Those little buggers are tough and quite near the upper limit of practical compute density. |
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Well then we got a few of your 1% fail sample size. They are the black Mac minis. They belong to our mobiles guy so I don’t mess with them but I do know they are always down or having some kind of issues. You couldn’t pay me to take one unless it was for target practice.
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Our cloud was only DC-centric, not on a production floor or anywhere except in a climate controlled environment. 104 minis per 42u plus switches. 2012 quad-cores and 2014s. I have two 2018 hexacores, and they haven’t faulted yet, but they are only less than a year old, each. Most ran ESXi in a V-Sphere setting, with some OpenStack on Centos and some docker via RedHat. We virtualized OSX, because you had to run OSX VMs only on Apple hardware. What failures / faults are you seeing? I’m curious what components are breaking. |
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Back in the day I had one of the 2nd or 3rd gen Mac mini’s on my desk to give it a fair shot as my daily driver but it was just slow and didn’t work how I had hoped. That was at a graphics company where we had lots of Mac Pros and such. While the hardware engineering was nice with everything being modular for the Mac stuff, in reality they just didn’t perform that well.
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Have a look into DFU restoring the bridgeOS image in the T2 processor.
It’s quite frankly the most janky aspect of that platform, and when problems arise, many of them can be traced back to problems in the Secure Enclave. Realize that doing the restore may wipe passwords and potentially volume encryption keys, so be prepared to do a full re-install and restore if necessary. https://help.apple.com/configurator/...#/apdebea5be51 |
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I had old gun related VHS tapes from the 80s I wanted to transfer |
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So are mini PCs worth using?...
In non-tech layman's speak. Like the one in post #10 Just for basic internet use and minor spreadsheet & word doc use... for home use.
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I used an Intel NUC as a music server and the recorder for my 4 camera security system. Did both at the same time just fine.
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Yup they are fine for basic stuff. I have ~100 NUCs in my fab facilities running some proprietary stuff for fabrication. For office folks we give pretty much everyone the tiny Dells (Optiplex 3000/7000). You can spec those from low end to high end and everywhere in between. I mounted a handfull of those to the back of touchscreens out in one of the shops for a different fab thing we are testing out. They are just normal computers, only smaller. The only "downside" I guess is having to buy the smaller parts rather than normal parts but they are pretty easy to find nowdays. We buy these cheap little weak MINIX things for $300 on up to $1500 Dells. Like anything depending on what you pay will determine your performance, for the most part.
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Also, do they accept speakers?... I see a headphone jack, so I guess it has a sound card - but can speakers be plugged into that? Or bluetooth? Yeah, I'm 'puter illiterate
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^^^ thanks
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