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Old 08-01-2020, 7:24 AM
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What handgun drills do you find most valuable? If you go to both indoor and outdoor ranges, Iím interested in drills that are best for each of them. My indoor range does not allow any holster work.

I dry fire 3-4 times a week and use the dry fire Mag for my G19 and snap caps in my other pistol. After working on basic stance and sight picture, I work on my transitions, on- and off-hand shooting, and am planning to add in the red dot Iím about to install.

I have been working on consistency and accuracy at the range for now, but would love recommendations on the best drills for a beginner. Iím interested in eventually doing IDPA; not sure about any other competition at this point.
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Dot Torture is a good starting point on where your deficiencies are at from a marksmanship perspective. You'll get feedback on what your dry fire regiment is doing for you.

https://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture

Since your range doesn't allow for it just do it from the low ready. You can also do this at home with your dry fire setup.
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Dot Torture is a good starting point on where your deficiencies are at from a marksmanship perspective. You'll get feedback on what your dry fire regiment is doing for you.

https://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture

Since your range doesn't allow for it just do it from the low ready. You can also do this at home with your dry fire setup.
This is great, thanks! Iím going to try this tonight with dry fire first.
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Dot torture and Bill Drill are two I do fairly regularly.
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Sometimes I do:
2 handed right and left
1 handed right and left
switch which eye I use to aim with
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Dot Torture is a good starting point on where your deficiencies are at from a marksmanship perspective. You'll get feedback on what your dry fire regiment is doing for you.

https://pistol-training.com/drills/dot-torture

Since your range doesn't allow for it just do it from the low ready. You can also do this at home with your dry fire setup.
on the Dot Torture... This is my maintenance drill... If you can only afford 50-rds per range session - I would go with this drill. And NO! Do NOT skip the SHO and WHO shooting.


Also, instead of starting from low ready, you can also start from the #3 position of a 5-step draw (retention, for some). This will simulate part of the holster draw and should help you develop your index to target ("see the target with the eyes, gun moves to the target").


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I have been working on consistency and accuracy at the range for now, but would love recommendations on the best drills for a beginner. Iím interested in eventually doing IDPA; not sure about any other competition at this point.
For additional stuff - you can check out the Competition/Training sub-forums... Lots of very talentend shooters out there!


And if you are willing to part with $67 - you can try Mike Seeklander's program (both LIVE and DRY fire).... Also, with help that you don't end up with 'training scars' from practicing incorrectly, etc.

He is the IDPA National Champion for 2018 and 2019, and constantly does FB Live stream for IDPA HQ:

https://train.shooting-performance.c...astery-program



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Target transitions, cadence, up drills (with transitions is fun)
If you can combine physical movement, it is a great day at the range.
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What you are excellent at... a few drills to keep you maintained

What frustrates you, work on that.


Just like fighting with fists, feet and clubs- protect yourself. Block and more importantly- move.


If you can outdoors, shoot while moving
Move in circles
Picture a person behind a car door- circle around them while shooting and hitting

Move in straight lines- think hallways
Move sideways


— standard thought- you are 100% responsible for holes you but in yourself and others - I suggest classes and formal instruction.


Too many folks shoot themselves coming into and out of the holster
Then add dynamic movement while moving through count 1-4


Look up drills: here on Calguns, inter web, you tube
Write them out
Add to a binder

Flip through drills before and at the range to find drills to practice.
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Thanks for the suggestions! I have a ďnotebook on my phone that has photos of targets, groupings, notes, and then thoughts on what I did well and what gave me trouble. I also take notes into from classes I have taken. Iím going to screenshot these suggestions and add it to my notebook.
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Physical fitness coordination skills should be practiced frequently and outside of the range 99.9% of the time.

Physical fitness is physical fitness. Shooting is shooting. Don't get distracted with the Run & Gun, yet.
Make the targets bigger and move them in closer is our motto. Yeah. Right.

Adherence to basic firearms safety rules; learn the 4 principles of marksmanship and basic gun handling skills.

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Haley & Trex Arms have some good vids:


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on the Dot Torture... This is my maintenance drill... If you can only afford 50-rds per range session - I would go with this drill. And NO! Do NOT skip the SHO and WHO shooting.


Also, instead of starting from low ready, you can also start from the #3 position of a 5-step draw (retention, for some). This will simulate part of the holster draw and should help you develop your index to target ("see the target with the eyes, gun moves to the target").


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https://youtu.be/7xVYRPMlgRo

https://youtu.be/j1tzoIYB1I0

I double-dog-dare you to try this handgun drill.
Just watching the vid is confusing.

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The best drills are the ones that challenge your abilities as a shooter. Work on what needs working on and recap what you’re best at.
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The best drill for new shooters is this: don't worry about the drills. Just work on your grip, acquiring proper sight alignment and sight picture.
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This is what I meant to say. Brain is fuzzy in the mornings.
Hahaha!!! My post was around 11am. Already got a couple of cups of caffeine...


... and just finished my dry practice session.


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https://youtu.be/7xVYRPMlgRo

https://youtu.be/j1tzoIYB1I0

I double-dog-dare you to try this handgun drill.
Just watching the vid is confusing.
The first one is a lot like a piano technique. I am going to try that at the range next time I go.
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Change your mindset from drill-oriented to result-oriented. Ask yourself what you want to accomplish instead of how many reps of a certain drill to do. Since you say you're a beginner, here are several skill levels that you should achieve:

1) Slow groups. Learn to press the trigger while aiming. It's not "aim, fire," two steps, it's "press the trigger while aiming," a single step that lasts a finite amount of time and your aim must remain on the target throughout the trigger pull.

2) Fast trigger pull. Learn to use your grip to allow fast trigger pull. Take a sight picture and on beep (or have someone say "when") pull the trigger without missing as fast as you can react, no longer than 0.2 seconds. Shoot groups this way.

The above two skill levels are your foundation for everything else. Trigger control is 85+% of shooting. Once you can do both, there are next levels that will prepare you to shoot multiple shots and with a moving gun (you're moving, the target is moving, the gun is moving in recoil, all of the above, etc.).
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I like Tom Givensí stuff, at least it has helped me become a much better shooter. Check out his website;
https://rangemaster.com/training/suggested-drills/

I could not find his live fire drills, here is a link to one on Active Response that I like. It combines different times and distances and is quick and cheap. I try to do this drill once a week or two if I can as it really shows what I need to work on.

http://www.activeresponsetraining.ne...ullseye-course

Keeping track of scores and targets is useful too. I just use running notes by gun in my iPhone with date, time, score, and a photo of the target.

After a while you see certain trends in yourself. Friday afternoons may have great scores but Monday mornings are lousy. Well, what goes wrong on Monday mornings? Can I fix it?

Any way, have fun, be safe, and donít stress yourself out over it. If you are not having a good range trip, step back, take some deep breaths, do some stretches and jumping jacks, and get back into it.

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