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Old 05-19-2019, 8:24 PM
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Iím having a really hard time finding reloading information about using titegroup powder for reloading my 44 magnum rounds. Iím new to reloading but have been following the directions for the Lee Precision turret press kit I bought at a local show. It came with a book and in the book it said to use 23 grains on the low end of titegroup for my 44 mag loads for a rifle. I went ahead and set it up and made it t rounds to test out. Needless to say for all you reloading veterans it made a very big boom. Big enough for the range personnel to want to see what I was shooting.
Iím using Berryís plated bullets that are 240gr and Winchester large primers. Obviously the powder is insane at that level.
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23grs Reading up, everything I searched for came up with the load data below.

Hodgdon Titegroup, Rifle Load Data says, min, 4.7grs, max 10grs, It Is for a 240gr LSWC cast.
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The Hodgdon website is your friend. In this case it may be your life saver, it looks like you are over 100% overloaded!!!!
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Way to waste your chamber, if it isn't bulged it would be a miracle.
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All that flash is a good portion of that 23 grn of powder burning up not giving you any return. I’m guessing the case is you already got the Titegroup and want to use it. Depending on hour reloading objectives (economic plinking, better accuracy, hunting) will determine the recipe.
I personally am not a fan of a lot of fast powder in big cases. My standard powders for .44 mag/special/Russian are 296/H110, Unique, and Blue Dot in that order.
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Reloading manuals are over-rated when you have access to YouTube, right?

A very quick inner-web search said min 9.0 and max of 10.0 with a 240 grain atop of .44 Remington Magnum.

I'd record this load under the High Flash High Smoke Tab. The tab next to Lucky U R Still Alive journal pages.
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204,000 psi pmax according to Quickload but that overload is probably so off the chart that the calculated pressures are not accurate. To say the least it is a very dangerous overload. It should have been closer to 10g to reach the safe maximum peak pressure for your gun.
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Winchester 296 yes, Titegroup no way.
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2400 is a good powder for hot 44 mag loads.
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Titegroup is one of the WORST powders for 44Magnum, way too fast burnrate. 23grs of Titegroup, you're lucky the gun didn't kaboom. Double check load data with multiple reliable sources.
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Ok so we established that Iím lucky to be alive. Thank you. I donít have the book next to me to post a picture of. I picked up all the pieces at the last gun show in Ventura. The guy I got the powder from said that titegroup is a great powder. In hindsight probably because that was all he had left. Iím not sure if it matters but would it be the same for rifle and pistol?


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I’m glad someone got a pic.
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Ok so we established that Iím lucky to be alive. Thank you. I donít have the book next to me to post a picture of. I picked up all the pieces at the last gun show in Ventura. The guy I got the powder from said that titegroup is a great powder. In hindsight probably because that was all he had left. Iím not sure if it matters but would it be the same for rifle and pistol?


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Titegroup is a great powder. Just not for magnum pistol rounds.

I load the same for all pistol and rifle. Why take a chance at accidentally loading a round that may be too hot for anything you own?
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Titegroup is a great powder. Just not for magnum pistol rounds.



I load the same for all pistol and rifle. Why take a chance at accidentally loading a round that may be too hot for anything you own?


So what would it be used for? I told the guy what I was reloading and thatís what he gave me. Yes Iím totally new at reloading. Literally my first time.


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No offense meant here. Please read a few books and find a reloading buddy or take a class. You donít know what you donít know right now and this is serious stuff.


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You can use the Titegroup, but start out around 7grs and work up to max of 10grs and see what gives you the best groupings. Whatever cases you shot with the 23grs, throw them away so they don't get used again.

Biggest problem as you have found out, you can over fill the case really easy.

This is from Hodgdon Site

IMR IMR 4227 .429" 1.600" MIN22.0 1,624 28,400 CUP MAX24.0 1,778 36,100 CUP

IMR SR 4759 .429" 1.600" max21.0C 1,630 38,500 CUP

Hodgdon H4227 .429" 1.600" Min22.0 1,624 28,400 CUP Max24.0 1,778 36,100 CUP

Hodgdon H110 .429" 1.600" Min23.0 1,750 25,200 cup Max24.0 1,817 36,200 CUP
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I use Titegroup for 147gr. 9mm.

If the Hodgdon site has a listing for it for 44 mag. You can use it but you should start at the minimum suggested load.

I use H110 or W296 for .357 and 44 mag.
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I use it for 38spl.
It burns fast and hot, like a shotgun powder.
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So since I didnít die now I think I should take a look at my rifle to see if it did any damage. Any suggestions as to what to look for? Itís a Henry big boy lever carbine.


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call them and send back and have them check it out the laod you had if it was >100,000 psi would have done I think some damage.

in a nut shell reloading other than new primer and =refilling powder involes using the RIGHT components.

As such ALL powder companies list loads on line for various calibers and cartriges.

YOU USED the wrong powder and most likey damaged your rifle send it to Henrey to have it checked, DISTROY or take apart ALL loads you made to not allow them back in you guns.

I will help if you are SF bay area local.

You used a "normal" charge of powder BUT the wrong Powder for a 44 mag.

AGAIN on line say Winchester has a load of 22 grains of there 296 powder fully safe you used TITE GROUP which generates way too much pressure.

Learn more ask questions get someone that knows as a mentor but step away from loading bench for now be safe.
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Get a straight edge ruler and put it length wise, check for gaps. Make sure to check all the way around and the full length of the barrel.
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to add more YES rifle and pistol use diferent pressure burn rates powders,

short barrel pistol needs a fast burning powder to get bullet up to speed so fast and high pressure. Rifle need lower pressure and slower burn to push down long rifle barrels building for longer time due to longer barrel.

YOU need rifle powder then the right one.
WW 296 and H110 are popular LOOK up the loads and make sure bullet is same as well as OAL etc.

As I said before have rifle checked by Henrys BEFORE you shoot it anymore
OC reloading in Anahiem is a good shop Brian can help a lot.
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send you a PM if you would like to call me I hate to see you have any more problems
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What did the brass look like that was fired?
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Sent an email to Henry asking about their process. Brass looked ok. A little dirtier than the factory loads I also used.


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Get a straight edge ruler and put it length wise, check for gaps. Make sure to check all the way around and the full length of the barrel.


Could it have done something to the chamber and not have it show around the surface of the barrel? Itís the octagon barrel version that I have.


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I would think that much pressure would blow or bulge barrel. But maybe the copper plating slide off or more like the lead part squired out of the copper plated jacket thus being smaller sort off reduced pressure a little?
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So the brass Is not split, Bulge ect?

did you crimp?

Just look the rifle over really good, barrel for bulge and hairline cracks In the receiver to barrel, and Inside the barrel.

If the shell case looks okay and came out easy I doubt anything happen to the rifle.

Most overcharges destroy a gun at that moment, shell case won't come out easy, and split or bulged. And the barrel will have a good bump In It, or In pieces.

Take a good pic of the primer side casing at a slight angle. Want to see If the primer Is flat.
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You can check the chamber with a set of go- no go gauges, if you can find them for a .44 mag chamber.
If a no go gauge won’t chamber you should be good.
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Iím having a really hard time finding reloading information about using titegroup powder for reloading my 44 magnum rounds. Iím new to reloading but have been following the directions for the Lee Precision turret press kit I bought at a local show. It came with a book and in the book it said to use 23 grains on the low end of titegroup for my 44 mag loads for a rifle. I went ahead and set it up and made it t rounds to test out. Needless to say for all you reloading veterans it made a very big boom. Big enough for the range personnel to want to see what I was shooting.
Iím using Berryís plated bullets that are 240gr and Winchester large primers. Obviously the powder is insane at that level.
Any help would be appreciated as I do not want to kill myself or my lever.


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#1, Are you soothing at a target for the next lane to the right? I see the target hanger above your head is for your lane.
#2, Theres something appears to be suspended in air to the right of you, in the pic. I hope itís not a part of your gun.
#3, Is that dot, center head on target your shot?
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#1, Are you soothing at a target for the next lane to the right? I see the target hanger above your head is for your lane.

#2, Theres something appears to be suspended in air to the right of you, in the pic. I hope itís not a part of your gun.

#3, Is that dot, center head on target your shot?


#1,#2No the rifle is in tact. The hanger is for that lane. I was shooting a target for the next lane over because it was...loud. Next lane over was the end of the range next to a wall.
#3 Yes but not one shot. Thatís about 5 rounds along with some 45 that we shot earlier on the same target.


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So the brass Is not split, Bulge ect?



did you crimp?



Just look the rifle over really good, barrel for bulge and hairline cracks In the receiver to barrel, and Inside the barrel.



If the shell case looks okay and came out easy I doubt anything happen to the rifle.



Most overcharges destroy a gun at that moment, shell case won't come out easy, and split or bulged. And the barrel will have a good bump In It, or In pieces.



Take a good pic of the primer side casing at a slight angle. Want to see If the primer Is flat.


Yes they were crimped with a FCD

Here are a few shots of the casings. They all came out smooth and easy with no sticking.








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Yes they were crimped with a FCD

Here are a few shots of the casings. They all came out smooth and easy with no sticking.

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I would say the rifle Is fine, Might have some leading/scuffs In the barrel though. But check It over really good. Clean the Inside of the barrel really good.

None of those primers/cases concern me.

Little reading for you.

http://www.massreloading.com/reading...ure_signs.html
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The primers are fine. Those show no over pressure
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