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Old 05-05-2019, 6:23 PM
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Default Non-lead ammo, what a pain

I was at the Rocklin Bass Pro today and one of the items on my list was to check out non-lead .270 and .243 ammo. They only had two options, and the rest was lead. I asked the guy who lets you into the ammo case and he said that's all they have. I mentioned the new regs and he acknowledged it but that's all they were going to get.

Not to mention the $36/box price...
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I had Big 5 order some in December, .270, 12 gage, 22-250, 30-06, and 5.56. A couple weeks ago I noticed some in stock, had stopped calling them in February, they never called me. I noticed it just by stopping by and checking in.

You can use your local gun shop as a receiver, you order on line.
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Old 05-05-2019, 7:27 PM
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You should have been buying non-lead months ago. They will get more in as they get closer to September.
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Old 05-05-2019, 7:48 PM
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Reload. Pick up an inexpensive/used single stage, powder scale, scoops, dies, and other needed components. It is only going to get worse.
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Any gun store (including Bass Pro Shops) will order what you need. Talk to the customer service rep at BPS and they should be able to have any ammo carried online delivered to the store.
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You should have been buying non-lead months ago. They will get more in as they get closer to September.
I've been slowly stockpiling lead free ammo since talk of a lead ban started. I've found all copper in .357 mag, 9X19, 30-30, 308 Win and steel shot for 12 ga. shotgun. If it's fire season, use of steel shot is prohibited.
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:20 AM
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^^^FUD Steel for hunting exempt from fire restrictions. Read the restrictions.
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It’s getting really frustrating that most retailers are not stocking lead free ammo. I’m even in the condor zone and most places have 95% lead stuff on the shelves.
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Iíve stockpiled over 3000 lead-free bullets in preparation for the upcoming move to lead-free throughout the state.

Mail order what you need and stackem deep. You wont regret keeping a healthy bullet inventory if you hunt a lot...
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I started buying non-lead bullets when they first announced the state wide ban a few years ago, then dialed in loads for each my rifles. I've been more than ready for a couple of years now. All I can say is order out of state and ship to your FFL if you can't find what you want.
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I don’t know of any ffl’s that receive customer orders in my area, irritating.
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Some coastal counties are giving non-lead ammo away. SLO and Monterrey were among them. Too bad I'm in the valley. Wish I could convince my gun-hating coastal relatives to pick some up for me.
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Old 05-07-2019, 7:35 AM
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OP- I live in Rocklin, Try the walmart there in Roseville off Pleasant Grove. They stock non-lead federal I believe for 270 and other calibers. Also Sportsmens Warehouse.

I'm behind on getting non-lead for all my deer rifles.
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OP- I live in Rocklin, Try the walmart there in Roseville off Pleasant Grove. They stock non-lead federal I believe for 270 and other calibers. Also Sportsmens Warehouse.

I'm behind on getting non-lead for all my deer rifles.
Yes, Walmart has a less expensive Federal all copper load for 30/06 and 270 and maybe 300 Win. Mag. for about $24.00 a box. I saw them last season in a Walmart in Chico. They only had 3 calibers in that ammo.

I think it was the Power Shok Copper. Looks like they make it in a few popular calibers:
https://www.federalpremium.com/produ..._s=Copper%20HP
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Yes, Walmart has a less expensive Federal all copper load for 30/06 and 270 and maybe 300 Win. Mag. for about $24.00 a box. I saw them last season in a Walmart in Chico. They only had 3 calibers in that ammo.

I think it was the Power Shok Copper. Looks like they make it in a few popular calibers:
https://www.federalpremium.com/produ..._s=Copper%20HP
$24/box for any of those large calibers is a decent price. I've used 150 grain Remington Core-Lokts in the past and they run $19-25/box depending on where I see them.

For reference, it costs me 20 cents for powder, 3 cents for the primer and about 75-80 cents for the Hornady GMX bullets I use in my hand loads so I'm right around a buck a round. I didn't include the cost of brass because I have plenty of it.
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Here’s the thing, if you reload all the components can still be shipped to your house. Nonetheless I’ve stockpiled Barnes and Nosler non-lead, powder, etc for all the calibers I shoot.

Walmart is selling non lead Winchester Copper impact. 25$ a box and irs very accurate in my .270. Check that out
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For those of you reloading... how do you deal w/ a DFW ammo check? I've heard you need to provide packaging info. Easy if you're using factory ammo. Do you keep a box of the bullets with you?

Want to know because I finally set up my reloading station & want to know what I should do for deer hunting.

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Keep box bullets came in or use nosler etips.
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furyous68, here ya go:

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/hunting/...for-compliance

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All ammunition in a hunter’s possession may be inspected by wildlife officers. In some cases, if a wildlife officer suspects a hunter is in possession of lead ammunition and cannot prove otherwise in the field, he or she may seize a cartridge or bullet for further analysis. Hunters are encouraged to assist in confirming compliance by retaining and carrying in the field ammunition boxes or other packaging.
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For those of you reloading... how do you deal w/ a DFW ammo check? I've heard you need to provide packaging info. Easy if you're using factory ammo. Do you keep a box of the bullets with you?
Whip it out and show them the tip.

At least that works with the barnes TTSX. Some of the other non-lead bullets are less obvious. Mono metal bullets use a different type of copper than the jacket on traditional hunting bullets, so a warden who has some experience should be able to tell your copper bullet from a traditional jacketed lead bullet.
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Y'all act like this is something new. You don't wait until it snows to start chopping wood.

I left CA 5 years ago and had a good stock pile of unleaded when I did. I was glad to sell it off when I moved. Along with my 10rd mags and bullet buttons LOL
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^Its kinda a surprise that retailers haven’t picked up the ball to start selling or at least ordering the ammo we need. All these large stores still have box after box of lead hunting ammo with almost no copper options. I got what I need but I’m frequently adding calibers and it’s a pain.
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^Its kinda a surprise that retailers havenít picked up the ball to start selling or at least ordering the ammo we need. All these large stores still have box after box of lead hunting ammo with almost no copper options. I got what I need but Iím frequently adding calibers and itís a pain.
Seriously - they need to get on it yesterday! The oaf I talked to at wally world the other day didn't know when they were going to get in lead-free ammo, but said it was supposed to happen before 7/1. We shall see... I saw copper 270, 243, 3006 and 308 ammo, but that was it. They need to get some rimfire and 223 ammo into the mix.
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I have Winchester 64 grain copper for 25 bucks a box. ftf sfv
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Whip it out and show them the tip.

At least that works with the barnes TTSX. Some of the other non-lead bullets are less obvious. Mono metal bullets use a different type of copper than the jacket on traditional hunting bullets, so a warden who has some experience should be able to tell your copper bullet from a traditional jacketed lead bullet.
This is not entirely correct. Some mono-metal bullets are made from 100% copper (Barnes at Lehigh at least), some are gilding metal (Hornady and Nosler at least). Some jacketed bullets have 100% copper jackets (Swift and Barnes at least) and some jacketed bullets have gilding metal jackets (pretty much everyone else). Lastly, some mono-metal bullets are made from brass (Lehigh at least).

As for how they can tell in the field, they are supposed to be fielding some whiz bang thingermuhjig that can tell for you, like some do for duck hunters.
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Went to Bass Pro in Rocklin yesterday. Bought all four boxes of Barnes ttsx 150 grain, 4 boxes of Barnes TTSX 140 grain 7mm-08 and 3 boxes of the same Barnes 130 grain I .270.
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I'm glad to see that when you found it and it's right there in front of you you didn't hesitate to get enough for a season or two. People drag their heels and him and haw around waiting for a "sale" or look for the best price only to lose the chance to buy some later. Then they whine and snivel like a spoiled baby because they cant find any. People better learn that if you need it and you find it"buy it", to hell with saving a couple of bucks.
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Sottie FUD only works for nosler etips. big 5 has hevi shotturkey loads on sale 11-14 bucks a box.
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I hand loaded 50 rounds of copper for every hunting rifle I have a couple years ago. So far I have just fired one round from each rifle to check pressure and point of impact. All hit the target within an inch of my lead loads.
I guess it's time to put them to a real test and shoot some groups. I know my 25WSSM has too slow of a twist for copper so it may be out for hunting?

I did try to buy some rim-fire 22LR at Sportsman's warehouse last week and they said they didn't stock any. They seem to be totally out of touch with what is happening?
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Grandson tried the Winchester 150 gr all copper in his Rem 742 a week or so before I went out and it grouped 5 inside of 2 inches at 100 yards. I'm not impressed with that but it just may be the gun doesn't like the stuff. Would it hunt, yes it would.
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This first year of the Ca statewide non-lead hunting is going to be real interesting in the field. I hope everyone, hunters, wardens, rangers etc. are all prepared. Starting with the early A zones, right thru the final day of upland.
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bIg 5 also had hevi shot 00 buckshot for 5 bucks a box.
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Maybe it's good for the environment, but yes, it is a pain and because lead is a lot heavier for volume than copper maybe there's some catch-up for efficiency.
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I loaded a lot of 223 copperheads solid bullets. I wish I had purchased more 7 cents each. Cheap non lead. With pull down down powder 14 cents to loAd
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Iíve been developing a Barnes ttsx round for my 308. Good range results but yet to try in the field. Once you find something that works for your gun I would stock up on it.

Hand loading will definitely save some dollars on big rifle rounds but will take lots of time to develop a good round.
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I'm glad to see that when you found it and it's right there in front of you you didn't hesitate to get enough for a season or two. People drag their heels and him and haw around waiting for a "sale" or look for the best price only to lose the chance to buy some later. Then they whine and snivel like a spoiled baby because they cant find any. People better learn that if you need it and you find it"buy it", to hell with saving a couple of bucks.
That was that days purchase. Iíve been buying copper ammo in 30-06, .270 and 7mm-08 for at least a year. Likely Iíve got enough to last me 5-6 years. Why wait?
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That was that days purchase. Iíve been buying copper ammo in 30-06, .270 and 7mm-08 for at least a year. Likely Iíve got enough to last me 5-6 years. Why wait?
Completely agree, why wait and unfortunately some will. Find a deal and buy it all when it shows up. Those that wait will be whining like a baby that dropped it's binkey. Even though I live here in ID and don't have to use the all copper slugs I still stay stocked up, just in case. Besides when we go through the next shortage and we will I can help out my friends and family just like the last time.
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. I know my 25WSSM has too slow of a twist for copper so it may be out for hunting?
For 25 WSSM, I'm thinking 80 grain TTSX, what's your twist rate?
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JBM figures the 80 TTSX at a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps should have a stability of 1.5, which isn't bad. I haven't worked up a non-lead load for the 25 WSSM, but it's on my list.
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