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Old 01-12-2022, 9:28 PM
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Definitely possible. I just want to make sure our crew knew about the new enforcement, so none of us show up with an undersized handgun and have to rent. I know not everyone reads and/or receive the emails.
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Old 01-12-2022, 10:59 PM
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Any exceptions?

In my 4DDHG class - had a couple of shooters sporting G26 and an M&P Shield 9. I would recall one was a repeat student and had DGed several times and wanted to have a challenge with his Shield.


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Last time I took a 2DDHG I used my shield 9mm. That was 2018/2019.

TY for the head's up.
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Old 01-13-2022, 12:17 AM
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Has anyone had any experience with the bonus gun program? I'm a Diamond member and purchased some additional memberships a while back and was awarded a "bonus gun", but that was some time ago. I've checked in with them frequently but just getting the "just be patient" speech due to the pandemic...which I understand (closures, slowdowns, supply chain, etc.). With that said, this was over a year ago now and I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm getting the feeling that this isn't going to happen. Anyone else had an extraordinarily long wait period for a FS bonus gun...or is this just me?
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Old 01-13-2022, 8:07 AM
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Definitely possible. I just want to make sure our crew knew about the new enforcement, so none of us show up with an undersized handgun and have to rent. I know not everyone reads and/or receive the emails.
Thanks @TeamAllen. I actually just got that email this morning...

I was actually planning to come in with a G26 to try out - my previous 4DDHG was with a G19. Dang it!


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Old 01-13-2022, 1:16 PM
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Thanks @TeamAllen. I actually just got that email this morning...

I was actually planning to come in with a G26 to try out - my previous 4DDHG was with a G19. Dang it!


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I thought G26 and anything larger is OK still? G26 is the cutoff, right?
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I thought G26 and anything larger is OK still? G26 is the cutoff, right?
That is my understanding of the email also. G26 good, P365 bad.
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That is my understanding of the email also. G26 good, P365 bad.
OK. Sweet then!

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Last time I took a 2DDHG I used my shield 9mm. That was 2018/2019.

TY for the head's up.
Bummer! I was planning on running my Shield or P365 the next time I go with someone for 4DDHG to keep it more interesting. I guess I'll just do it with a full size gun but shoot left handed instead .
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Old 01-14-2022, 6:41 PM
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Looks like the last incident, Dec 2021, involved a student re-holstering (surprise) a SIG P365. Grazed their leg was all. Drove themselves to the hospital. Could have something to do with it?
The accident gun was a P365XL according to the FS web site.

Even though his email points out the P365, the 365XL is LARGER than the G26.

According to SigSauer.com, the P365XL is 6.6 inches long and 4.8 inches high. A G26 is 6.5 inches long and 4.17 inches high. In overall numbers, the P365XL is larger than the G26.

According to the email, the G26 is, "roughly 6.4" slide length and 4.2" frame height."

Here's where it gets messy. Does the slide length really affect the handling or safety of the gun?

Dr. Piazza mentions "slide length." Well, the G26 reports a "sight radius" of 5.7 inches, and the P365XL reports 5.6 inches. Except the BARREL length of the G26 is 3.43 inches, and the barrel length of the P365 XL is 3.7 inches. The *slide* of the G26 is in fact 6.26 inches. The slide length of a Sig is a bit tougher to find since the "3.7 inch slide" is actually something like 6.4 inches long, since the "3.7 inch slide" is one meant for a 3.7 inch BARREL, but I could not find precise documentation.

The only P365 smaller than the G26 is the "straight" P365 and the "P365 NITRON MICRO-COMPACT" which, according to the accident report, is NOT the accident gun...

So, there is a bit of confusion. I sort of expect if you showed up with ANY model P365, even if it measures larger than a G26, you will not be allowed to use it. Which, is sad, since the P365XL is a great gun by all accounts, and nothing like the Shield in size or handling.

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Just came back from my 2 day defensive handgun class. I came back very impressed with the professionalism everywhere. It’s so strange how everything about frontsight other than the actual training screams sketchiness.

Very happy with my experience and looking for when I can go back for the 4 day.

Also very bummed to be locked into a patriot membership. They don’t even allow an upgrade path it seems, you are kind of just stuck with limited access to courses until Glorious Leader feels strapped for cash again I guess?

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There is always an upgrade path. I believe Knight level is at $2000 with private training option for 9 people and a free 1911 handgun, but if you wait, he tends to offer the top memberships at lower price levels as time goes, with less perks. So enjoy your Patriot membership for now until you DG your basic classes when you really can make use of your higher level membership.
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Give the concierge a call. Usually 1k for the upgrade. But like beans said get to the point where you have DGed then look to move up. Took me a bit to get to the point of DG. The class is not as easy as most think.
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Old 01-17-2022, 9:38 AM
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There is always an upgrade path. I believe Knight level is at $2000 with private training option for 9 people and a free 1911 handgun, but if you wait, he tends to offer the top memberships at lower price levels as time goes, with less perks. So enjoy your Patriot membership for now until you DG your basic classes when you really can make use of your higher level membership.
I think that window has closed. The link is expired now, from what I experienced.
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Can anyone confirm if Federal Syntech is allowed for classes?
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Can anyone confirm if Federal Syntech is allowed for classes?
Which class? And which Syntech?

For the 4DDHG, 2DDHG, the THG/ATHG - any of the flavors would suffice (Defense, Range, Training, Action Pistol).

If the HCMP, as I was told by a HCM/RM - the Action Pistol flavor is prohibited.

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Old 01-17-2022, 12:45 PM
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Which class? And which Syntech?
For the 4DDHG, 2DDHG, the THG/ATHG - any of the flavors would suffice (Defense, Range, Training, Action Pistol).
If the HCMP, as I was told by a HCM/RM - the Action Pistol flavor is prohibited.
Perfect, thanks.
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Just came back from my 2 day defensive handgun class. I came back very impressed with the professionalism everywhere. Its so strange how everything about frontsight other than the actual training screams sketchiness.
Glad to hear you had a good time. I think that's everyone's experience with FS. The marketing and external image is bizarre, while the training is good and a great value. To be able to move that many people through their school is a great service for firearm safety/proficiency. I will caveat that with I think there are some independent trainers/schools that IMO are better for more advanced handgun stuff. Everyone has a different style and FS's style is fine for most people.
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2 more weeks to my first private lesson. It's going to be 3-days. 2-days of practical rifle and 1-day of handgun.

So, any tips? I believe same as the standard classes? Come in early to avoid the long queue of vehicles, sign-up, weapons inspection, then get sent to a range, etc?

In regards to round count? Any tips? I am thinking about 500-rds of 223s for 2-days and 500-rds of 9s.

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2 more weeks to my first private lesson. It's going to be 3-days. 2-days of practical rifle and 1-day of handgun.

So, any tips? I believe same as the standard classes? Come in early to avoid the long queue of vehicles, sign-up, weapons inspection, then get sent to a range, etc?

In regards to round count? Any tips? I am thinking about 500-rds of 223s for 2-days and 500-rds of 9s.

Cheers!


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IIRC, you go straight to admin where you'll check in and complete the usual Day 1 paperwork. You'll then go to your range.

Round count: bring extra. The more you take, the more you can shoot. You're relay 1 and 2. You're in a private so you get to call the shots, within reason. It's your class. If you get a cool instructor, he'll run you through some extra drills. Some will stick with the curriculum, but you can repeat drills and the test.

A buddy and I did tac hg one day and hcmp on another. We brought about 1200 rds each. We shot a least 1000 rds in two days.

Private classes are awesome. IME, the instructors are much more relaxed and it's a much better experience for everyone involved. Especially if you have a what-happens-on-the-range-stays-on-the-range attitude.

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I think that window has closed. The link is expired now, from what I experienced.
Darn! Wife just told me Sunday I can get that for my BD
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I’ve only done one private. 850 rounds that day. Learned a lot. Just work with the instructor and let him know your gtg to burn more than the round count.
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Thanks guys!!!

I will bring more ammo then... Still considering whether I'd just order from ASW. Or order online and bring it to Pahrump (which is new) - I have Prime from TargetSports, and I get lower CPR even if I take in Komiefornia tax.


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"...I get lower CPR even if I take in Komiefornia tax". The tax you pay should be based on the delivery location. Can you ship direct to NV for pick up?
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"...I get lower CPR even if I take in Komiefornia tax". The tax you pay should be based on the delivery location. Can you ship direct to NV for pick up?
Ah! Good idea... I will call the hotel and see if they accept ammo shipments.


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