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Henry Model 1 in .22lr. https://www.henryusa.com/rifles/lever-action-22-rifle/
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No such thing as a buy once rifle. Rifles are like golf clubs and you have to eventually have a set.
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My solution was a AR15 with a dedicated .22lr upper when I got a dedicated trainer for my kids, but as this is the survival and Prep forum I’d go the .223 barrel and a conversion bolt then you can have all the bells and whistles and remain legal but still enjoy un-nuetered out of state.
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The classics are timeless. There's just no going wrong with. 22 cal. Marlin model 60. Or, for something bigger, a USGI 30 cal. M1 carbine is light weight and has manageable recoil. A Winchester 92 in. 357 magnum could also be a classic choice that you and your child could enjoy together.
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If a 12 year-old is going to carry it in the event of an emergency, then it'll have to be light. 12 year-olds are not yet the pack mules that they will become once they're 17-18.
So I agree with the OPs instinct towards 22LR. Not only will the rifle be light, but the ammo will be light. If you want something with a little more capability, you could upgrade to, say, 17MHR. Many great options already listed, I'll add the Volquartsen Superlite in 17HMR:
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When my son was 11 (now 24) he was interested in the Youth Rifle competition at our local sporting club, and his first rifle was a Savage Mark II target model with the match sights. It's a good bolt gun, with good sights, that comes with a 5 rd magazine (I bought several 10 round). There are plenty of available options for different sights, optics, upgraded stocks, etc if you wish to change things up as he grows and uses it for different tasks. He accumulated a handful of guns as he grew (a 12 gauge for trap/quail, 30-06 for deer hunting, and an AR for high school graduation) but that rifle is still in use and I would be surprised if he ever got rid of it. It now has standard sights, QD mounts for an optic and a larger wood stock. I would highly recommend this as it worked well for us.
I would also say a 10/22 is a very good gun and a choice you would not regret. |
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I started on a springer BB gun and a bolt 22
Something about learning patience in lining up the sights and target and getting a good hit. Friends with sprayers- had more fun but many never learned to hit a soda can at 20 yards without the aid of a 20-50 round magazine
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All I can say is, my Daughter & Grandson, both prefer wood stocks, over plastic. (These, they cherish over all others)
If your thinking of a pass down firearm, look to this, instead of that black crap. |
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My dad bought me a bolt action .270 when I was maybe 14 or 15, so that we could hunt together. I hated that gun. It kicked like a mule, the recoil was way too much for my skinny arms/shoulders. I would definitely not recommend something that powerful for a 12 year old.
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Agreed . . . but . . . I think there is value in getting a good gun with a cheap synthetic stock (more durable, lighter, etc) and then you can add a good wood stock later if you like (that's what we did - the synthetic stock was small and perfect for my son at 12, but as he grew it didn't fit him as well, so we got a wood stock that fit him better).
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If you don't go with 22 (I'd buy either cz 22/17hmr interchangeable barrels, or Tikka 22), I'd either look at 243 or 30 commie (especially cz version) enough to hunt with, but mild enough recoil.
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Three sons grown to men.
Started with a 22 bolt at 10, Daisy 2022 passed down to the next guy, then a 10/22 of their own in any flavor at 14. One boy wanted a side folder, another a Muzzelite Bull Pup, the 3rd a fixed 4X32 with stock furniture. The youngest is 37 now, and to say the least they are all over 10/22. It also made a smooth transition to SKS. PAX
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Bolt action, magazine feed, in .17HMR, .22LR is so old school. .17HR can be used to hunt varmints up to 200 yards.
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In fact start hoarding AR parts and lowers. His can run .22 until he swaps the upper. For .223 Biden and Kamala are going after ARs. Expect that. Bob
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May the Bridges I burn light the way. Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain. Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728). |
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If I were in your shoes, and I had the money and time, I'd do 3, in this order:
1) A single-shot bolt-action .22LR with open sights, and a copy of the BSA rifle merit badge book (any edition). When the kid convinces you he has adopted the safety and basic skills into his DNA, I'd do the following two at the same time: 2) A scoped 10/22 with 10-round magazines, a Quake Claw Slimline Sling, in a Hogue Overmolded Stock, or the Takedown model with Hogue's stock for that model. 3) And, because you mentioned self-defense, a Ruger PC Carbine in 9mm, with the Quake Claw Slimline Sling (above), and a Sig ROMEO5 in their high mount (included in the box). (FWIW, I've heard from good authority that 147GR HPs don't reliably expand in the PC Carbine, and that you should use 124GR instead.) The 10/22 and PC Carbine are bomb-proof, intuitive, lightweight, offer a similar manual of arms, and in the recommended configurations are equally great for hunting, self-defense, and stealth. Folks will say the 10/22 is anemic for self-defense, and they are right: it's not a self-defense round. However, in a pinch, and in capable hands, dumping a magazine full of .22 HP into someone's dome who reasonably and imminently intends to kill you is better than harsh words. You asked for one gun, though. I'd still say the 10/22, and work on rapid magazine transitions and take the kid to a carbine class with you. |
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I started my kids with a Chipmunk .22 BA single shot and then they progressed to a Rossi 62 pump .22 rifle. For a 12 year old I recommend a bolt action .22 with a magazine and not a tube. I imagine there are oodles of used Marlin Glenfields around like the model 25 I started on as a teen.
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I got a Ruger 10/22 youth compact for my kiddo. Length of pull is short, but can be lengthened when they're older. Grandpa and I already have 10/22's so there familiar and plenty of mags available. Can load 1 at a time if that's a concern, plenty accurate, will likely last their life. And most importantly, fun for a new shooter, keeps them interested if it wasn't already a burning desire.
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I got a CMP M1 for my son when he was just a toddler and kept it pretty much as a safe queen until he was 17. He was fortunate and they sent a real nice rifle. Beautiful gun. Fast-forward a few years and he has shot it in some local matches, and in hindsight I am so glad I got that rifle. I mention this because it seems likely JoeBama will do what he can to limit semi-auto centerfire rifle sales, not that it worked well for his worthless predecessor BHO, the best gun salesman ever elected. But M1 Garands, curios that they are, might continue to be sold for a while. CMP got some 80K Philippine returns a few years ago. They are not making any more of them. Get one for yourself, too. I don't think you will be sorry.
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I’m assuming this is a first rifle? At 12 I’d suggest a Ruger 10/22, it’s a great rifle and he’ll never out grow it no matter how he gets. As he grows the rifle will grow with him. Sure he’ll get larger calibers later in life, but that 10/22 will always be relevant and useful.
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Buy once cry once rifle for teen
I got my daughter a Volquartsen Summit .22lr rifle when she turned 8.
It comes with a magpul 700 chassis and carbon fiber barrel. I can adjust the LOP on it as she gets older. It’s basically based off a Ruger 10/22. I put a Harris bipod on it and a Vortex 1-6x Strike Eagle scope on it. Pic for Reference. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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At 12, it's a good time to start asking questions about what THEY want. Making decisions, choices, preparing for "adulting"...
A .22 AR is configurable and upgradeable, as is a 10/22, lots of choices and options, and if they decide they'd rather play the tuba, fairly easy to sell or re-purpose. Not sure about the buy once cry once on what should be a "introduction", but since it needs to be something that catches their eye and interest, make them part of the decision, and with either the AR or 10/22 you can customize if needed. You may not cry on the initial purchase, but "upgrades" may make you shed a tear from time to time.... |
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I suggest you look at your ammo stash and see what you can Spare.
For my Kids Ruger 10/22 And a Bolt Kimber Svt in 223. Others I'd look at that are more popular now for 12 year old Ar in 9mm ot the Ruger Pc Carbine in 9mm . Last edited by dozer wright; 02-01-2021 at 3:03 AM.. |
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Look at the browning youth 22. Beautiful gun, good capacity (balloon time), and it will fit her. I cringe watching kids try and shoot adult sized rifles. My friends still hunt and shoot their families BLR 22. They’re all 6’3+ and still shoulder that rifle. It’s on my list for my kids.
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I vote forget the buy once cry once.
Get a 10/22 and an AR receiver now. Give the 10/22 now and learn safety and shooting. Have and give the receiver in the future. Let the kid work, save and plan the AR build in the future. |
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12yo look small now but then puberty kicks in so forget getting a rifle their size and think about something that they'll grow into.
Still, a 9mm sub-gun clone might be a good choice. Last edited by HibikiR; 02-07-2021 at 4:24 AM.. |
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The Henry Small Game Carbine is a nice choice, and the S&W 15-22 is also a great rifle for a young shooter.
Instead of a Ruger 10-22, I would look at the TC version https://www.tcarms.com/firearms/semi-automatic/t-cr22 It is a little nicer build quality for not a lot more money. |
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How about a Ruger PCC. My 12 yr old nephew had a blast with mine. With ammo prices the way they are, 9mm reloads are running about the same price as 22lr.
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I like this idea. Teaching a growing teen to build (assemble) their own AR is a great learning experience/right of passage. They will know the rifle intimately and will never forget that memory.
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I agree with a 10/22 and an AR. If you are willing for buy once, cry once, it is the only way to go. After yesterday, I would buy a complete AR, with a good supply of mags. We knew the attack on gun rights was coming, but it will be more forceful now. And the prices are only going to rise now.
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I have always (and still do) want a Henry Golden Boy. My ONLY issue is that most of the Henry’s only come in .22. For a 13 year old that’s a great start IMO. However, nothing beats the feeling of scoping out and assembling your own AR.
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Being into C&R I'd likely pick up a M1 carbine as a usable shootable relic that ammo is readily available for. Less brutal than some of the full rifle caliber capture trophies. Unfortunately, God didn't bless me with children so that's not in the cards.
When I was a kid, it was easy and affordable to buy my own rifles. I bought my first one with a month's paper route money. My dad wasn't into shooting, he gave guns up entirely after 1945, had enough killing evidently. For years I didn't even know he had any. In fact none of the males in the family talked about guns or went shooting. IDK, maybe it was a war thing. |
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Thinking a bit more. Get an AR for him later. When he grows up he’ll thank you.
For a 12 year old now I think a .22 Ruger takedown with a Magpul stock. Perfect for plinking and camping. Many many options can be included.
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May the Bridges I burn light the way. Life Is Not About Waiting For The Storm To Pass - Its About Learning To Dance In The Rain. Fewer people are killed with all rifles each year (323 in 2011) than with shotguns (356), hammers and clubs (496), and hands and feet (728). |
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