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Default Feedback, please: a new, locked thread to report lawsuit status

Imagine if you will a stuck thread ( 2, actually - 1 for CA based cases, another for everywhere else) that contains

an index post, to direct folks to cases (also should be able to just text search)

and a post, for each case, that picks up the 'first post' of existing case threads, and gets updated as things actually happen. (Also links to the 'discussion' thread)

That way, all the existing case threads could be 'discussion' without burying what is actually happening.

Good idea? No one would use it? What do you think?
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I like that idea. I find I am frequently searching for a thread in order to find the latest updates on a case.
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This would probably be helpful to some people.
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Yes, please!
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It would save a lot of time. Please.
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I like the idea. Even better if it was a dashboard web page of some sort with status for each suit. Have it show current status and next steps. Have a color coding for how current 2A rights are effected.
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Oh yeah, great idea.
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FYI, this site below could also be useful for this effort. Only 51 active arms related cased in CA9 at the moment...

https://airtable.com/embed/appI053Wk...HA?blocks=hide
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Make it happen, cap'n, er, Mr. Librarian.
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FYI, this site below could also be useful for this effort. Only 51 active arms related cased in CA9 at the moment...

https://airtable.com/embed/appI053Wk...HA?blocks=hide
Well, that's interesting. That looks like it approaches what db556762 asked for.

Who maintains that? Only for reliability purposes - if it's good, I'm really glad not to do it myself (and probably would not stray outside 9th Circuit if it were me)
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A locked thread with the current status of all known ongoing (and possibly archived) cases would be great. And it can have links to discussions and updates.
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Well, that's interesting. That looks like it approaches what db556762 asked for.

Who maintains that? Only for reliability purposes - if it's good, I'm really glad not to do it myself (and probably would not stray outside 9th Circuit if it were me)
FPC and 2A Updates get the credit. I believe it's updated fairly regularly but I haven't checked it recently, having forgotten about it until you put up this post.

Perhaps this as a "top of page" with links to the active threads for the CA9 cases and SCOTUS case discussion threads below? Minimal effort to start and just some once in a while additions as new cases pop up.
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Yes. Great idea for easy access to current status without having to sift through the discussion.
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To quote the great Bill Murray, "I love this plan! I'm excited to be a part of it! Let's do it!".
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Feedback, please: a new, locked thread to report lawsuit status
PLEASE DO IT!

Ex. ......... Rhode thread has turned into pages of folks espousing who did, and did not get ordered ammo.
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I concur. A dedicated tracker thread would resolve the longstanding issue of occasional readers lacking the time to read through hundreds of posts by highly-active members.

Nonetheless, I still expect dozens of duplicate threads to appear every time a significant development occurs.
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Nonetheless, I still expect dozens of duplicate threads to appear every time a significant development occurs.
Well, yes - this is the internet, donchaknow.
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I love this idea but I shy away from offsite resources like airtable and googledrive/sheets etc.
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Great idea! Would be also great if for each case, there was a date of last update.

Some days when I have more time, I read through the discussions, but most days, I am trying to quickly see if there is any movement on any of the cases, and have to read through pages potentially to realize nothing changed.
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Great idea! Would be also great if for each case, there was a date of last update.

Some days when I have more time, I read through the discussions, but most days, I am trying to quickly see if there is any movement on any of the cases, and have to read through pages potentially to realize nothing changed.
I think a database issue currently prevents updating thread titles. Otherwise, a simple scan of titles would easily facilitate determining the most recent progress.
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I think a database issue currently prevents updating thread titles. Otherwise, a simple scan of titles would easily facilitate determining the most recent progress.
This is true.

I think I'll try a simple version -
+ a post or two on things like airtable and how to read a docket (and if there were something I could read and reference on that, it'd be good, 'cause not being a lawyer my grasp of procedures and specific actions is pretty superficial)

+ a post for each case, with
++ the right name for it
++ the subject of the case in 1 line if that can be done
++ a link to the docket of the currently active version of the case (i.e. if a case moves from District Court to 9th Circuit, the docket reference would be to the 9th )
++ a link to the latest 'significant' action or document
++ a quote from that document to suggest what it is about
++ the expected/announced date for the next important thing to happen
++ a link to the Calguns thread, so those with higher tolerances might read more and older results

What does airtable give for a count for 9th - 60-couple? I'll see how much work it is to do about 6.

And, of course, participation by other interested parties would be welcome - write and post that summary stuff, PM me, and I'll add it to the thread.

Just as a bit of administrivia, I'm not a morning person, so readers should not expect something released at 0900 Pacific would be reflected even the same day as the event. Since such events are usually posted to the existing long, 'busy' threads, that delay should not be critical - the information would still be here.

I'll give it another couple of days for further refining feedback, and try a version sometime around Wednesday, I guess.
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The plan sounds great. Hopefully, the software upgrade, which the owner of Calguns has recently stated remains forthcoming, will fix the database issues and enable updating thread titles for even more seamless reading.
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Excellent idea. Getting to the real issue beats wading through 95% barely related diatribe. By the way, I'm not a morning person either. Even before I retired.

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this site below could also be useful for this effort. Only 51 active arms related cased in CA9 at the moment...
I didn?t see Duncan? I know why it isn?t there, but the lack of it means that that list is incomplete.
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If this project expands to cover active Second Amendment litigation outside of the Ninth Circuit, which I understand may grow unwieldy, I would be happy to help with the Fourth Circuit, where I reside.
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As someone who is not very versed in legal matters but extremely interested in 2A issues mostly CCW, Gun Roster, And mag capacity I would greatly appreciate a few legal minds giving updated breakdowns of whats going on. For now I watch the Guntubers.

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IMO.
Bold the case name


Bold the subject



Bold the next hearing date, if there is one


Bold the latest, if a future date has not been set.


This way the important items are bolded and stand out in the post
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The question mark character issue continues to be a nusiance.

Regarding Rhode v. Bonta, I believe the topic should be "ammunition background checks" rather than "ammunition".
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The question mark character issue continues to be a nusiance.

Regarding Rhode v. Bonta, I believe the topic should be "ammunition background checks" rather than "ammunition".

It doesn't work all the time, but using the edit function I have been able to fix the question mark problem some times. The 'section' symbol used in law codes can't be fixed.
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It doesn't work all the time, but using the edit function I have been able to fix the question mark problem some times. The 'section' symbol used in law codes can't be fixed.
Disabling "smart characters" works, but most people have the setting set to its default on configuration.
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Librarian, I love this. Thank you for taking the time to do it!
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I agree!

To clarify my understanding, is this one locked thread with all cases, one edited post for each case?

Or is it multiple locked threads, one for each case, only updated as events occur?

I'm thinking of the cases that take 1-2 years between events. If each case had it's own thread, then when an update occurred, that thread would reappear with a new post with the update. It would be searchable.

I would be concerned about one thread with all cases coming up every time you searched for one plaintiff in one case.
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I agree!

To clarify my understanding, is this one locked thread with all cases, one edited post for each case?

Or is it multiple locked threads, one for each case, only updated as events occur?

I'm thinking of the cases that take 1-2 years between events. If each case had it's own thread, then when an update occurred, that thread would reappear with a new post with the update. It would be searchable.

I would be concerned about one thread with all cases coming up every time you searched for one plaintiff in one case.

Look here...

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1903117
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Thanks Librarian I think this helps
You need to Bold the oral arguments date for May v Bonta.


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Bold the subject



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Bold the latest, if a future date has not been set.


This way the important items are bolded and stand out in the post
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I agree!

To clarify my understanding, is this one locked thread with all cases, one edited post for each case?

Or is it multiple locked threads, one for each case, only updated as events occur?

I'm thinking of the cases that take 1-2 years between events. If each case had it's own thread, then when an update occurred, that thread would reappear with a new post with the update. It would be searchable.

I would be concerned about one thread with all cases coming up every time you searched for one plaintiff in one case.
One locked thread.

I added a a note about that in the stuck thread - but since it's sticky, it will always be on the first page, so a simple text search for something reasonable in that thread should bring up the case one needs.

But, let's not expect to search for 5th-listed plaintiffs. If the list of plaintiffs would be "CRPA, FPC, SAF, Bob the Dinosaur, Dogbert Adams, Andy Capp" the case would usually be named for Bob. I'll take the cue given by the court's docket name, so far as I can.

The discussion thread, usually linked in the post in the locked thread, mostly starts with a link to the original complaint, so such things are available.

And both the locked thread and the discussion post should have a link to the current docket. Progress from District Court to 9th Circuit to SCOTUS may bring 3 entries, and something like Duncan that has been up and down and back again might eventually get 6, though at the moment it has just 1.
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And if you get to thinking 'Well, when is old Librarian gonna get to [my favorite case]?' you can account for my getting distracted or lazy.

You can see the format and the needed info - write your own post and put it here, and I'll collect it and add it to the locked thread, possibly with some minor editing.

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Well done, Sir!

This will be a great asset to all of us!
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