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Old 09-15-2020, 10:06 AM
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Default Swaging Crimped Primer Pockets

Am gearing up to begin Reloading (223/9mm) and need guidance on how best to deal with crimped primer pockets as I have close to 10k pieces of LC separated by Year of Mfg and Wolf 223 range brass. I currently have a brand new Dillon RL550C and two used RCBS Single-Stage presses (RC + RS) but am waffling about selling the 550 and upgrading to a XL750.

Searched the forum and see the Dillon Super Swage, the Swage It, and also the CH4D Swage tools recommended but those threads were from a few years back.
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I use the super swage. Look up the mods on youtube as it makes the tool much more expedient.

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Franklin Arsenal makes a stand-alone bench-mount tool that I like better than dies.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:14 AM
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I went through 1000 LC .223 in a couple nights with my super swage. THere is a rubber band mod that, IIRC< pops up the pin the shell sits on when you release it, so the finished shell sticks up, and have a large container to just throw the swaged rounds into.

It took a while to get into a groove, but it's really fast, way faster than I was with my press mounted swage.
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The press mounted swage voids the dillon warranty. Supposedly it can cause the frame to crack

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Old 09-15-2020, 10:28 AM
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RCBS came with 2 pins for small and large. Desk mounted is probably easier to use. Other will even chuck a counter sink bit to it.
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Old 09-15-2020, 10:32 AM
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Franklin Arsenal makes a stand-alone bench-mount tool that I like better than dies.
Seems to be a lot of complaints of a spring breaking ever since they started selling the product.
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I cut mine out with a RCBS crimp cutter outer.
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Am gearing up to begin Reloading (223/9mm) and need guidance on how best to deal with crimped primer pockets...
I'm feeling your pain already.

I have the RCBS press mounted swager. It's not bad but I have almost crushed a few fingers when the rhythm got interrupted.

The Dillon bench swagers get good reviews and I sometimes think I should have gotten it instead of the RCBS but I've probably got enough swaged cases to last me for the rest of my life right now.

I don't know how much you shoot but if you have 10k cases stockpiled, that equates to 40k rounds or so once you get them done before you have to even think about swaging again.
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Dillon super swagger and forget the rest. I have tried many other ones and the Dillon one is best, fast and works great.
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Dillon super swagger and forget the rest. I have tried many other ones and the Dillon one is best, fast and works great.
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The Dillon made me not hate crimped primer pockets....

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I use the RCBS. It’s not super fast but you can get in a rhythm and I’m not into reloading to save time. I usually crimp everything before reloading it just as a matter of normal case prep. That way i do t have to worry about any of the brass being from someone else’s leavings. Just assume it’s all still crimped.

If I do change I would probably go with one of the standalone swaging units you bolt to the bench. Simple is as simple does.


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Either do it by hand or send the stuff out to be processed

https://blueridgebrass.com/brass-processing/

I have sent him literally a few tons of brass and its been worth every penny.

It all comes down to what your time is worth to you. For me I prefer to spend that time making loaded ammo.
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RCBS crimp cutter mounted in a variable speed drill in a vise on slow speed. Gets it done really fast .

RCBS changed their crimp cutter to a new design a couple of years ago. I find it better than the Hornady cutter, which was my favorite until the new RCBS.

I do thousands of cases.
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I used the RCBS unit for years. Then I got the Dillon Super Swag. No comparison. Dillon all the way. If for some reason one isn't done right, I've got the Lyman wooden handled reamers for backup.

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I'm currently unemployed and nothing to do---I'll swage it for you----at a price of course
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Here is another option, not as fast as the Dillon but a good tool.

http://www.ch4d.com/products/popular...0-blackout/psk
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I have the RCBS die-type swagger and hated using it, so I got their bench-mount device:

Attachment 936788

Still have to set it up but operation seems much easier.
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RCBS crimp cutter mounted in a variable speed drill in a vise on slow speed. Gets it done really fast .

RCBS changed their crimp cutter to a new design a couple of years ago. I find it better than the Hornady cutter, which was my favorite until the new RCBS.

I do thousands of cases.
This, easiest most cost effective method!
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If you have a single stage press there are options that are cheaper than Dillon's or RCBS's

Hornady (Additionally, I believe they have another version that works on their progressive press)
https://www.amazon.com/Hornady-04122.../dp/B01N0JFLOO

I myself have been using the CH4D swage tool. It used to be like $35 but now it's about the same price as the Hornady. Single Stage press mounted as well, works very well
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I've processed 10's of 1000's with Hornady's reamer. Just chuck it up in a drill press. Just a quick touch is all it takes.
https://www.amazon.com/Hornady-39075.../dp/B000NOORPW
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A few options:

Dillon Super Swage
Dillon Super 1050 press
Dillon RL 1100 press
Lee APP press with swaging kit
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SS 600.
Mount it to a 1x 3" or 4",so you can clamp to bench.

Don't over swage. work your way in slowly, to just what you need, at set up.

With the rubber band set up flipping cases into a box. You can fly.

If you go with reaming with a power drill it is easy to over do.

Set up right, the SS 600 is very consistent. If that's important to you.

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I second using a clamping plate so it can be installed/removed as needed, especially in a limited space like mine.
Use a gage to adjust it until it's right.

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SS 600.
Mount it to a 1x 3" or 4",so you can clamp to bench.

Don't over swage. work your way in slowly, to just what you need, at set up.

With the rubber band set up flipping cases into a box. You can fly.

If you go with reaming with a power drill it is easy to over do.

Set up right, the SS 600 is very consistent. If that's important to you.

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SS 600.

If you go with reaming with a power drill it is easy to over do.
Not with the new RCBS cutter.
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Dillon 600 super swage, that's all you will ever need
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I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Swage setup for 5.56 and 7.62x51 that is made for the Hornady Projector press. I have a dedicated swage press setup as I swage a lot of cases. It's simple, works well, and the cost is reasonable. I've swaged on one of the Dillon units, but after doing 6000 pieces in a week or two, it basically destroyed my wrists. The pro-jector setup seemed to be a better solution for me. You can fit the ejector setup with a tube that will direct the brass into a container.. I use an ammo can. I can process a 50 cal ammo can of 5.56 in about an hour or so.
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The Hornady looks interesting. Might check it out next time I prep a batch of cases. In your experience how many cases need to be run through again with tighter adjustment? Can you feel a difference between cases that might tip you off to those that need to be redone?


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Out of 500, I think I reran maybe a handful? When I go to seat, it feels rough or it appears that the specific brass didn't swage right. I'll put those in a pile to re-swage. The press I use for swaging is in a different place than where I load so I'll save whichever cases that don't prime to re-run later. I usually bring a universal hand priming tool to where I do the swaging. I'll swage a bunch and then see how many I can seat a primer in and adjust the swage press as needed. I found the Hornady press to be way more ergonomic and easier to use than the Dillon swage tool. I have both and prefer the Hornady for large batch jobs. The Dillon is okay for a handful of cases but not when we are talking "buckets" of brass.

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Just get the Dillon swagger and don’t look back. The 550 is great because it doesn’t have auto indexing. If you need to pull a case out somewhere in the process, no big deal. If you get the 750 and go the auto indexing route you have to think more when something happens like you miss a primer, forget to put a bullet on a case and pull the handle, etc
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RCBS crimp cutter mounted in a variable speed drill in a vise on slow speed. Gets it done really fast .

RCBS changed their crimp cutter to a new design a couple of years ago. I find it better than the Hornady cutter, which was my favorite until the new RCBS.

I do thousands of cases.
This is what I use and it is the best. works great for 223 and the occasional 9mm. The swage it is a piece of junk and voids the warranty.

This route actually trims out the crimp rather than just compressing it
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If you have an inside case mouth chamfer tool that mounts to a powered station

https://ads.midwayusa.com/product/1019537366?pid=367119

You can chuck it in power drill and lightly hit the pocket. Not ideal, but it does work.
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