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Old 06-16-2022, 7:08 PM
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Default My new CZ 457 MTR VPT just arrived in California earlier today.

What scopes are you guys running on these rifles for those who have them?
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Old 06-16-2022, 7:31 PM
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Don't know about 457, but the 452 has a 90 degree bolt arc. This results in the handle easily interfering with low mounted scopes. So, scope mount height for bolt handle clearance needs to be part of your equation.

Rimfire Central forum has a section for CZs. You should get lots of good info on scopes and mounts there: https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/cz-brno.18/
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Old 06-16-2022, 8:43 PM
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This is CZ’s newest 457 VPT which has a 60 degree throw.
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Old 06-16-2022, 9:00 PM
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This is CZ’s newest 457 VPT which has a 60 degree throw.
A much better idea. I got one of the last 452s because the barrel screws into the receiver like on a centerfire rifle. I don't think it makes any real difference, compared to the 457's wedge system.
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Old 06-16-2022, 9:48 PM
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I looked around locally for s 452, even a 455 but none available. I think the wedge will be fine, if it didn’t work I think it would have been dropped already.
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The 10/22 uses a similar wedge. It works.
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Don't know about 457, but the 452 has a 90 degree bolt arc. This results in the handle easily interfering with low mounted scopes. So, scope mount height for bolt handle clearance needs to be part of your equation.
As mentioned, 457 is 60 degree.

However, even with 90 degree just mount scope higher. Especially on a high comb stock with an adjustable riser, there's nothing wrong with running even a 1.5" high one-piece mount. It's better any way because it means you get your head higher on the gun and your eye pupil lower looking straighter onto the scope as opposed to up into it when in prone.


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As far as the scope, go ZCO.
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Old 06-17-2022, 9:33 PM
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I have Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24 MRAD FFP scopes on our 457’s. Even with a 30 moa canted base I can dial in to shoot 50 yards no problem on the 22lr.
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Old 06-18-2022, 8:53 AM
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I have a Vortex CROSSFIRE II on my TIKKA T1X, I could just buy another for the CZ but kinda wanted an upgrade so I thought I’d ask here. When I spoke to a rep at Vortex the gentleman recommended one of their tactical line scopes as well.
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Old 06-18-2022, 8:06 PM
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ahh yes...scope choices.

Vortex: PST2, Razor G2.
Burris XTR III (I have a 5.5-30x56 stuck on my CZ 457 and I refuse to take it off).
Athlon: yes
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Nightforce: Nx8 2.5-20x50, Nx8 4-32x50. Would like to try these...there are some hardcore Pros vs cons...very polarizing - see snipers hide.

There are many more scopes out there...you'll need a deep wallet lol.

Just remember, don't just buy any scope. You'll need something that has adjustable parallax down to 25 yards at the very least. This will knock out a lot of run of the mill scopes.

Do your homework or you'll end up buying a bunch of scopes for $$$. Fun but expensive.

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Old 06-18-2022, 9:36 PM
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Great scopes! Is First Focal plane the preferred choice? Seeing on forums shooters using Athlon Cronus. I’d like to have enough optic to shoot out to 175-225 yards.
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Old 06-19-2022, 1:24 PM
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I have a Cz 457 lrp and put a vortex razor gen 1 5-20 on it. I bought rifle used but it came with a vortex pst hs 4-16. A Burris xtr or vortex pst would be a good scope to use.
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I’m seeing a lot of Burris scopes being used for .22’s, may have to try one out myself.
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I have the Primary Arms 6x32 with the ACSS bullet drop reticle and ranging on my Christen Arms Ranger 22. Very good optic out to 200 yards.
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Old 06-21-2022, 8:26 AM
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I was thinking since you have a new precision rifle inbounds, that an Aklen ep5 5-25x56 might be a really good fit for a great price. Getting an really nice scope can be big bucks and you might not be in the mood to make a big jump right away. A bdc reticle is a one size fits all solution based on a bullet you prob won’t be using. You will be testing out good standard velocity target ammo to see what your rifle likes and gathering your own dope.

In the meantime, to paraphrase from one reviewer I read, you get big boy scope features with a relatively low price. 34mm tube, great reticle, illumination, zero stop, good turrets, pretty good glass, parallax adjustable down to 25 yards, etc. And if you get a coupon code, you get a freebie pack which includes flip up caps, level, throw lever, rings, and a couple of other things.

The only downside is the wait after you order one. I think I waited like 6 or 7 weeks. It was well worth the wait.

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And yes, Burris XTR III 5.5-30x56s are really popular over at snipershide. I think it’s so exciting to see so many scopes at reasonable prices these days. I may have to splurge on a vortex razor one of these days to get a taste of what “good glass” is lol. I struggle tho with imagining adding a 45 oz+ scope to my 457 or Kidd 10/22.
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Great scopes! Is First Focal plane the preferred choice? Seeing on forums shooters using Athlon Cronus. I’d like to have enough optic to shoot out to 175-225 yards.
FFP or 2FP is personal preference. Not sure what your budget is, but the Cronus is a lot of scope for what you're doing. If that is where your budget is, I would look into the Burris XTR III. It's a lot of scope for a bargain right now. The non-illuminated model is on sale right now at CameralandNY. About half the price of the Burris is the Athlon Midas TAC HD 6-24x50, which I have on top of my 457 MTR. It's great for .22 and will work for your 175-225 yard range.
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What scopes are you guys running on these rifles for those who have them?
I had picked up a couple of rails for a 455... IIRC the one I installed was the EGW with a SWFA 10x42 SS
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Old 06-27-2022, 9:53 PM
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So I went over to my FFL and picked up my new CZ four57...it’s ugly and funky looking but appears to have shot well assuming that the target they sent with it belongs to this rifle. If it shoots well I may just sell off my CZ 457 Jaguar.
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So I went over to my FFL and picked up my new CZ four57...it’s ugly and funky looking but appears to have shot well assuming that the target they sent with it belongs to this rifle. If it shoots well I may just sell off my CZ 457 Jaguar.

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Vortex Diamondback Tactical 6-24x50 FFP mounted with BKL-303L 30mm dovetail rings atop 457 VPT 16.5” MTR SR bbl.

Slightly brighter than your Crossfire II, although I prefer the Crossfire’s reticle.
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Old 07-14-2022, 7:37 AM
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Nice! What height are your rings...if you don’t mind me asking? How do you like the 16.5” barrel?
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I'm running a 457 LRP with an Arken SH4 6-24 with good results, Using Burris signature rings I get over 100 MOA of come-up available
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Nice! What height are your rings...if you don’t mind me asking? How do you like the 16.5” barrel?

BKL-303L has a distance from the bottom of scope tube to top of dovetail surface of 17.3 mm or 0.68”. It’s considered the lower of two BKL-300s.

The taller, BKL-300, measures 24.9mm or 0.979”.

My VPT came with a non-MTR 20.5 barrel. I bought the 16.5 MTR SR from a Rimfire Central member. I prefer the 16.5” over the 20.5” bbl, it suits my shooting technique. Also works well with the sub-sonic Aguila and Norma USA ammo. Saves me $s. Rifle as configured shoots better than I can.

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Different version of the 457, but I went with a Leupold. I kept it pretty conservative with a 3-9 x33.



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With the 457 being heavy for a 22 bolt rifle have you had any problem with the base of the rings sliding on the groove? The picatinny base mount that slide on the groove seems very secure, but sure are pricey.
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Vinnie, I love the wood stock on that one. What sling is that? B.
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Been looking at the cz 457 MTR but they seem pretty scarce.
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Vinnie, I love the wood stock on that one. What sling is that? B.
It's a 1.5" Montana sling.
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Just my observation only..Why would someone ever want as much as a 10x plus scopes on a .22? Seems kinda like overkill to me..I run Vortex 3x9s on a couple of my .22s and 22 Mags. Maybe the high power ones look cooler,LOL.
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Just my observation only..Why would someone ever want as much as a 10x plus scopes on a .22? Seems kinda like overkill to me..I run Vortex 3x9s on a couple of my .22s and 22 Mags. Maybe the high power ones look cooler,LOL.
I agree and that’s why I have a 3-9x on the rifle pictured above. But my uses may be different than someone else. I intend to use that as a squirrel and rabbit gun. Others may use it for something else including pushing the limits of the .22 for fun, for sport, etc. also, my eyes aren’t what they used to be and can easily see the limitations of that 3-9x scope of reaching out for a precision shot past 75 yards, but for me 75 yards would be a stretch with a .22 LR.
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Just my observation only..Why would someone ever want as much as a 10x plus scopes on a .22? Seems kinda like overkill to me..I run Vortex 3x9s on a couple of my .22s and 22 Mags. Maybe the high power ones look cooler,LOL.
Shoot NRL22/NRL22X or PRS Rimfire and you'll find yourself wanting something with a little more magnification than a 3-9x variable.

I will concede that you can likely get away with 12x max out to 200 yards with 2MOA targets.

However, when you're in a situation having to shoot a 1/4" target, even at 25 yards, you find yourself wanting even more magnification.

Pushing 300 yards and up, I guess I want a scope with travel more than anything. I have 31.7MIL of available travel in my ZC527 with a 50 yard zero. I can make it to 500 yards easily without holding above target and 550 yards without holding given normal conditions.
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