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Newsom will try it because his ego says he has to but first he has to raise the panic level much higher than it is now. the problem is he will not be able to control what he starts unless he can convince the national guard to side with him so people have to be very careful on how they respond to his crazy edicts.
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so far we are talking about a lot of what if's. Martial law hasn't been declared yet, confiscation hasn't happened yet.
Unlike Katrina we are not evacuating so we are not taking it out into the streets or in our cars. If they do start I am sure many hear will invoke the law and not voluntarily hand them over.
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good luck with that, maybe some life threatening pneumonia will give them the learning opportunity they need.
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If he pushes......there is gonna be some people will push back!
Not a smart move on his part! Take care Abenaki
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I do however applaud the efforts of private citizen militia to maintain order in chaotic times and events. |
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So are we looking at a lawsuit against San Jose Mayor (shapeshifting) Lizard-o in the near future? He has clearly violated both US code 5207 and the CA emergency services act.
I know that the crooked politicians in this state regularly and 'wokily' violate federal law with sanctuary city and other bs stunts, but this is too damn far. |
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Well, that would be the beginning of the Big Boogaloo for sure.
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The pragmatic reality is that there aren't enough soldiers/military to effectively kick in all doors listed on 4473's or in State DROS/"assault weapon" databases; particularly not simultaneously. Likewise, in many cases, even during 'martial law,' the National Guard usually provides supplemental and support service to law enforcement, medical, and other emergency personnel. Besides Katrina, there's also the 'lesson' provided by the 1992 L.A. riots. We like to talk about the "Korean gun owners" defending homes/businesses and how the National Guard 'forced' them out. But, there was more to it than that. With law enforcement, the Guard, and military units, they still couldn't be 'everywhere at once;' not to mention a certain amount of 'confusion' regarding what, exactly, their orders and roles were. This, as much as anything else, is likely what is causing some hesitation in the declaration of 'martial law.' Put another way, as I've said before, a Governor can enforce whatever she/he has the muscle to 'get away with.' Newsom has a limited amount of muscle to enforce something like true, martial law. Thus, he would be dependent upon 'cooperation' by a panic'd public and it's a real question whether the public is THAT panic'd... yet. In fact, that's why Newsom's new, Statewide "Shelter in Place" order had heavy caveats with assurances that 'citizens will comply' voluntarily - we hope. |
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Calling-up the Guard to help maintain order and distribution of needed materials? Sure. The Guard provides manpower all the tine during emergencies.
Declare Martial Law? For what? Aside from initial hoarding frenzies, everything has calmed down. There's no rioting, looting, everything is just eerily quiet. People are actually helping each other. Stores are restocking and trying to help the elderly. The National Guard is made up of fellow Californians, most who believe in gun ownership. They aren't itching to kick down doors and take away our rights.
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The guard might not be up for kicking in doors and confiscating weapons but the governor surely is and slipped up to say he may declare martial law.
Truly he is aware he has over stepped what’s required but this is his only chance.
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And so many morons here refuse to vote republican.. throwing their votes away on third parties or worse.. a lot of our fellow gun owners VOTE DEMOCRAT!
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Well guys I screwed up , currently holding 200rnds of 7.62x39 and maybe 100rnds of 9 , no 556 , no 12g , I have been putting everything into building this new plumbing company I started in October and have no real I’d or passport . Super pissed at myself right now
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Nobody will be sent door to door to confiscate guns. People will receive notices in the mail that they are to present their weapons, at a certain time and place, for inspection. They will fail "inspection" and that is when they will be taken. Refusal to present your weapons will be grounds for various forms of pressure...fines, loss of utility service, levies against your property, loss of driver's licenses, seizure of wages or bank accounts, or whatever else they want to try. And if you want to take them to court to stop them, go ahead and spend the many tens of thousands of dollar it will cost you to try. That is why we first had the Boston Tea Party, and then the Revolution.
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While I was in Turner's picking up some ammo I had ordered before all this started; the sales staff were talking about how many private citizens were being stopped illegally carrying loaded guns in their cars according to the LEO's coming into the store. That does not bode well if accurate.
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I was guessing FISA would have jurisdiction based on national security. I am very pleased FISA does NOT have jurisdiction !
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We're screwed since Fed funds to sanctuary cities/states has been cut off. CA will no longer appeal the decision since they'll see a shot at taking all the guns.
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...For around the last 2 decades, at the very least.
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If LE stop those who are carrying without a CWL, those carrying need to do a much better job of putting the weapon in a place where it's both readily available as well as out of sight. I use a Halliburton aluminum brief case that's unlocked and unlatched. It lays on the passenger seat and I can lock and latch it in plenty of time if I'm pulled over in CA, which has yet to happen.
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With Newsom, even speaking about thinking, about martial law, has increase gun sales.
Kalifornias' 2 faced voters, are feeling the hindrances caused by their voting for more ammo and firearm restrictions. I LOVE IT ! It has also started, a new wave of toilet paper hoarding.
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The California National Guard is federally funded so it is prohibited from seizing firearms from law abiding citizens during emergencies.
Wiki: "The California National Guard is a federally funded California military force, part of the National Guard of the United States."
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If we start seeing more news regarding LEOs who are unable to work, due to sickness, or simple quarantining, and the ignorant masses figure out that they can do stuff with impunity, then I would expect Martial Law.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...u2MXajZLLBbky4 https://www.yahoo.com/news/700-jerse...145334845.html |
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So no problem with Newsom violating marital law by sleeping with his best friend's wife but martial law is okay?
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Mark Esper: National Guard Can Enforce Orders to Stay Home
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