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Old 03-19-2020, 11:30 AM
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Newsom will try it because his ego says he has to but first he has to raise the panic level much higher than it is now. the problem is he will not be able to control what he starts unless he can convince the national guard to side with him so people have to be very careful on how they respond to his crazy edicts.
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I seriously doubt a FISA court would consider any Californian a threat to US security and allow for a warrant !
NO WAY would those SHARP COOKIES at FISA believe any FAKE DOSSIERS !
I have no idea how California courts would act !

The FISA Court's are not relevant to this issue. It's a question of jurisdiction.
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so far we are talking about a lot of what if's. Martial law hasn't been declared yet, confiscation hasn't happened yet.

Unlike Katrina we are not evacuating so we are not taking it out into the streets or in our cars. If they do start I am sure many hear will invoke the law and not voluntarily hand them over.
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... And I'm really hoping the younger adults get over themselves and do there part in this.
good luck with that, maybe some life threatening pneumonia will give them the learning opportunity they need.
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If he pushes......there is gonna be some people will push back!

Not a smart move on his part!

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Unfortunately, I live in Commiefornia that does not follow Federal Law.
California Emergency Services Act [8550 - 8669.7] - ARTICLE 3. Powers of the Governor [8565 - 8574]

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Nothing in this article shall authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition, or authorize any order to that effect, provided however, that a peace officer who is acting in his or her official capacity may disarm an individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual. The officer shall return the firearm to the individual before discharging the individual, unless the officer arrests that individual or seizes the firearm as evidence pursuant to an investigation for the commission of a crime.
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California Emergency Services Act [8550 - 8669.7] - ARTICLE 3. Powers of the Governor [8565 - 8574]

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Nothing in this article shall authorize the seizure or confiscation of any firearm or ammunition from any individual who is lawfully carrying or possessing the firearm or ammunition, or authorize any order to that effect, provided however, that a peace officer who is acting in his or her official capacity may disarm an individual if the officer reasonably believes it is immediately necessary for the protection of the officer or another individual. The officer shall return the firearm to the individual before discharging the individual, unless the officer arrests that individual or seizes the firearm as evidence pursuant to an investigation for the commission of a crime.
That's one of the few good things that Arnie and the Dems passed. But I'm not sure if declaring martial law trumps that legislation which deals with state of emergencies. With martial law, we'll be dealing with soldiers/military, not peace officers/LE.

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Y'all need a DECENT citizen's militia out there!



https://palightfootmilitia.com/orders-we-will-not-obey/
Private militias such as the outfit linked to above, while well meaning, have nothing to do with, or influence on, either state or federally controlled military units, guard, active, or otherwise. I could easily envision said state or federal military resources being directed to "clean up" citizen militia first.
I do however applaud the efforts of private citizen militia to maintain order in chaotic times and events.
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So are we looking at a lawsuit against San Jose Mayor (shapeshifting) Lizard-o in the near future? He has clearly violated both US code 5207 and the CA emergency services act.

I know that the crooked politicians in this state regularly and 'wokily' violate federal law with sanctuary city and other bs stunts, but this is too damn far.
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Well, that would be the beginning of the Big Boogaloo for sure.
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California preparing for worst case scenarios - https://www.fox5ny.com/news/californ...case-scenarios

"In readying the National Guard for action, Newsom’s office emphasized that it’s for duties routinely performed during natural disasters and other emergencies. But Newsom grimly added that “we have the ability to do martial law ... if we feel the necessity.”

"Imposing martial law would take the extraordinary step of replacing the usual laws with military authority, with the possible suspension of civil liberties like freedom of association and movement."
Martial law - good enough for Peru, good enough for California. Similar leadership mindset and how each views its people.
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That's one of the few good things that Arnie and the Dems passed. But I'm not sure if declaring martial law trumps that legislation which deals with state of emergencies. With martial law, we'll be dealing with soldiers/military, not peace officers/LE.
That's the unknown at this juncture. The original intent of the Federal legislation, which is mimic'd in the California Statute (as well as in numerous other States) was to preclude gun confiscation during "disasters." In other words, it was to prevent "never letting a good crisis go to waste" in terms of gun confiscation in a manner similar to what happened with Katrina.

The pragmatic reality is that there aren't enough soldiers/military to effectively kick in all doors listed on 4473's or in State DROS/"assault weapon" databases; particularly not simultaneously. Likewise, in many cases, even during 'martial law,' the National Guard usually provides supplemental and support service to law enforcement, medical, and other emergency personnel.

Besides Katrina, there's also the 'lesson' provided by the 1992 L.A. riots. We like to talk about the "Korean gun owners" defending homes/businesses and how the National Guard 'forced' them out. But, there was more to it than that. With law enforcement, the Guard, and military units, they still couldn't be 'everywhere at once;' not to mention a certain amount of 'confusion' regarding what, exactly, their orders and roles were.

This, as much as anything else, is likely what is causing some hesitation in the declaration of 'martial law.' Put another way, as I've said before, a Governor can enforce whatever she/he has the muscle to 'get away with.' Newsom has a limited amount of muscle to enforce something like true, martial law. Thus, he would be dependent upon 'cooperation' by a panic'd public and it's a real question whether the public is THAT panic'd... yet. In fact, that's why Newsom's new, Statewide "Shelter in Place" order had heavy caveats with assurances that 'citizens will comply' voluntarily - we hope.
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Calling-up the Guard to help maintain order and distribution of needed materials? Sure. The Guard provides manpower all the tine during emergencies.

Declare Martial Law? For what? Aside from initial hoarding frenzies, everything has calmed down. There's no rioting, looting, everything is just eerily quiet. People are actually helping each other. Stores are restocking and trying to help the elderly.

The National Guard is made up of fellow Californians, most who believe in gun ownership. They aren't itching to kick down doors and take away our rights.
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The guard might not be up for kicking in doors and confiscating weapons but the governor surely is and slipped up to say he may declare martial law.

Truly he is aware he has over stepped what’s required but this is his only chance.
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Calling-up the Guard to help maintain order and distribution of needed materials? Sure. The Guard provides manpower all the tine during emergencies.

Declare Martial Law? For what? Aside from initial hoarding frenzies, everything has calmed down. There's no rioting, looting, everything is just eerily quiet. People are actually helping each other. Stores are restocking and trying to help the elderly.

The National Guard is made up of fellow Californians, most who believe in gun ownership. They aren't itching to kick down doors and take away our rights.
You're absolutely right. I ran a quick errand this afternoon and everything seemed completely normal. I live near Florence Ave., Pioneer Blvd. and Imperial Hwy. and I haven't heard a siren in days. There's nothing going on.
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President Bush signed into law, after Hurricane Katrina, a Federal Law prohibiting Federal agents, military personnel, or any police agency who receives Federal Funds(pretty much all of them), from seizing firearms during a disaster.
Bush? A REPUBLICAN did that? And a REPUBLICAN Senate and House sent him that to sign???

And so many morons here refuse to vote republican.. throwing their votes away on third parties or worse.. a lot of our fellow gun owners VOTE DEMOCRAT!
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Bush? A REPUBLICAN did that? And a REPUBLICAN Senate and House sent him that to sign???

And so many morons here refuse to vote republican.. throwing their votes away on third parties or worse.. a lot of our fellow gun owners VOTE DEMOCRAT!
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Well guys I screwed up , currently holding 200rnds of 7.62x39 and maybe 100rnds of 9 , no 556 , no 12g , I have been putting everything into building this new plumbing company I started in October and have no real I’d or passport . Super pissed at myself right now
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Well guys I screwed up , currently holding 200rnds of 7.62x39 and maybe 100rnds of 9 , no 556 , no 12g , I have been putting everything into building this new plumbing company I started in October and have no real I’d or passport . Super pissed at myself right now
Hey.. look at it this way... if you get into a gun fight and you win, you get the other guys guns and ammo. If you dont win the gun fight well then, ah.. you really wont care anymore.
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Nobody will be sent door to door to confiscate guns. People will receive notices in the mail that they are to present their weapons, at a certain time and place, for inspection. They will fail "inspection" and that is when they will be taken. Refusal to present your weapons will be grounds for various forms of pressure...fines, loss of utility service, levies against your property, loss of driver's licenses, seizure of wages or bank accounts, or whatever else they want to try. And if you want to take them to court to stop them, go ahead and spend the many tens of thousands of dollar it will cost you to try. That is why we first had the Boston Tea Party, and then the Revolution.
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While I was in Turner's picking up some ammo I had ordered before all this started; the sales staff were talking about how many private citizens were being stopped illegally carrying loaded guns in their cars according to the LEO's coming into the store. That does not bode well if accurate.
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The FISA Court's are not relevant to this issue. It's a question of jurisdiction.
I was guessing FISA would have jurisdiction based on national security. I am very pleased FISA does NOT have jurisdiction !
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The Coronavirus Freakers should be 100% behind martial law, they've already indicated that no price is too high in slowing the spread of the virus.
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....Federal Law prohibiting .....any police agency who receives Federal Funds from seizing firearms during a disaster.
We're screwed since Fed funds to sanctuary cities/states has been cut off. CA will no longer appeal the decision since they'll see a shot at taking all the guns.
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Im thinking after he screwed up and publicly praised President Trumps efforts at helping states deal with the Wuhan flu virus. He's looking for a little more street cred.
Releasing violent predators helped a little, but a democrat threatening to use martial law will solidify his base like nothing else.
Wonder about those registration lists democrats go gaga over ?
You should see what Downtown Sacramento looks like... I've been to third-world countries that have less homeless people. Most of them are on meth, too. Basically Skid Row 2.0. I'd advise everyone to stay the frick out of Downtown at all costs.
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What are the plans for the "tent people" , is california going to house them or do you let them die off . If you can house them somplace, who feeds them ?
When removed from the sidewalks are you going to bulldoze and clean the sidewalks ?
We don`t need people who poop where they eat and sleep on the sidewalks.
To those that have them, lock and load. To those that don`t , Oh well .
This, is the essence of the problem. California has coddled, encouraged and invited homeless from all over the country to come here. The homeless population is one big virus petri dish. The virus is going to ravage that community in that community has no discipline and no care about anything and will spread it everywhere.
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We were in a worst case scenario here before the virus arrived.
...For around the last 2 decades, at the very least.
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While I was in Turner's picking up some ammo I had ordered before all this started; the sales staff were talking about how many private citizens were being stopped illegally carrying loaded guns in their cars according to the LEO's coming into the store. That does not bode well if accurate.
If private citizens are stopped illegally, sounds to me that it's a problem with LE.

If LE stop those who are carrying without a CWL, those carrying need to do a much better job of putting the weapon in a place where it's both readily available as well as out of sight. I use a Halliburton aluminum brief case that's unlocked and unlatched. It lays on the passenger seat and I can lock and latch it in plenty of time if I'm pulled over in CA, which has yet to happen.
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If private citizens are stopped illegally, sounds to me that it's a problem with LE.

If LE stop those who are carrying without a CWL, those carrying need to do a much better job of putting the weapon in a place where it's both readily available as well as out of sight. I use a Halliburton aluminum brief case that's unlocked and unlatched. It lays on the passenger seat and I can lock and latch it in plenty of time if I'm pulled over in CA, which has yet to happen.
It's probably all the liberals who rushed out to purchase their first gun a couple weeks ago and never bothered to brush up on the rules. Hopefully they do get caught and spanked for it. That will show them just how stupid the laws they voted for really are.
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Chances he will declare martial law in response to 40 deaths? Will we see a Katrina-style door to door confiscation?
My guess is he and the other antis want, more than anything else, there not to still be a need for "Rooftop Koreans" some 30 years later after the Rodney King riots. They don't want more examples, esp not in a presidential election year with ubiquitous social media, of LE/mil failing on the job and "civilians" having to pick up arms to pick up the slack.


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With Newsom, even speaking about thinking, about martial law, has increase gun sales.

Kalifornias' 2 faced voters, are feeling the hindrances caused by their voting for more ammo and firearm restrictions. I LOVE IT !

It has also started, a new wave of toilet paper hoarding.
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The California National Guard is federally funded so it is prohibited from seizing firearms from law abiding citizens during emergencies.

Wiki:
"The California National Guard is a federally funded California military force, part of the National Guard of the United States."
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Gee, will California be the next country to begin the New Revolution with the first shot heard around the world?
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If we start seeing more news regarding LEOs who are unable to work, due to sickness, or simple quarantining, and the ignorant masses figure out that they can do stuff with impunity, then I would expect Martial Law.

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Calling-up the Guard to help maintain order and distribution of needed materials? Sure. The Guard provides manpower all the tine during emergencies.

Declare Martial Law? For what? Aside from initial hoarding frenzies, everything has calmed down. There's no rioting, looting, everything is just eerily quiet. People are actually helping each other. Stores are restocking and trying to help the elderly.

The National Guard is made up of fellow Californians, most who believe in gun ownership. They aren't itching to kick down doors and take away our rights.
Agreed!! While avoiding the virus is a concern, I'm not worried about the Guard.
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So no problem with Newsom violating marital law by sleeping with his best friend's wife but martial law is okay?
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So no problem with Newsom violating marital law by sleeping with his best friend's wife but martial law is okay?
While they were both married, no less.
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