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My question then is does she have to give it to me in calif or can she give it to me in Oregon and I bring it back into Calif? |
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Ammo consignment?
With the new law about not being able to sell more than 500 rounds a month can a FFL/Ammo Dealer do consignments? Does this count as selling more than 500 in a month?
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In my humble opinion, subdivision (a) does not apply to #6 as defined. PENAL CODE - PEN PART 6. CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS [16000 - 34370] ( Part 6 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. ) TITLE 1. PRELIMINARY PROVISIONS [16000 - 17360] ( Title 1 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. ) DIVISION 2. DEFINITIONS [16100 - 17360] ( Division 2 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. ) 16720. As used in this part, “immediate family member” means either of the following relationships: (a) Parent and child. (b) Grandparent and grandchild. (Added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. (SB 1080) Effective January 1, 2011. Operative January 1, 2012, by Sec. 10 of Ch. 711.) Therefore, if my daughter gave me ammunition in a different state I would be within the statute to cross into California. With that said, you might have to offer proof if challenged. The same dilemma I think exists if you buy ammo in California, cross over to Arizona for example to compete in a shooting competition and come home with left over ammunition. I'm sure the burden is on the individual to prove where they got the ammunition. |
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With that, it would seem prudent in the first case, to have a nice gift card from the daughter, saying, “Love you, {insert relevant relative} here’s some ammo,” or words with similar loving sentiment. In the second scenario, CA ammo receipts might help, but they don’t prove you didn’t shoot all of the CA ammo, and then buy more in Arizona. Best.
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Like Saddam trying to prove he does *not* have WMD (yes, I know, he was a scumbag). |
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Neither the statute, nor the regulations, seem to contain any requirement.
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Late to the party, I see; no matter, plenty of government abuse to pass around.
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Can I buy 500 rounds from different FFL's? I thought I was up to date with what's changing. I just never heard I can only buy 500 rounds a month. Guess 500 a month on top of what I have will work. This is all BS. The news already pointed out this is opening the door for out of state residence to come and bootleg ammo here in California and you think criminals won't get ammo Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk |
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The background check law in July does not impact importation via FFL03+COE, correct? That says "ammunition vendors" shall.... And since the PC allows shippers outside of CA to send ammo via that exception, it sounds like those businesses are NOT ammunition vendors per PC defintion
I just go an email from Freedom Munition saying that they are not shipping to CA any more. When I asked if they will continue to server FFL03+COE, they said I'd need to contact their dealer program but they only deal with 02 and 06 types. I have sent them an email asking for their clarification. |
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Hello,
First, thank you for responding to my earlier inquiries (as I haven't had a chance to do so.) Second, I am planning to attend shooting contests in 2 different states (WA & TX) and I will be driving to both locations with about 1500 rounds of reloaded (i.e. not Factory) ammo and probably bring back about 600 to 700 rounds back each time. Therefore, is there any documentation that I would need in order to establish that this ammo are reloads (i.e. handloads). Thanks! |
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EDIT: Well, that's a lesson in being certain before opening your mouth. Apparently PC 30314 only covers ammo bought outside of CA, but the tricky part is convincing an officer that you didn't buy it out of state.... Quote:
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You don't have to convince an officer of anything. In order to charge you under 30314 he has to be able to prove that the ammunition in your possession was bought out of state. Innocent until PROVEN guilty, not the other way around.
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Then again there is a way to avoid all this BS. Just start loading your own. Brass, primers, powder, and projectiles all perfectly legal to have shipped direct to you. All you have to do is "assemble" the components yourself.
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Personally, I like the ability to load my own shotgun shells. I can load up nice 7/8 ounce, 1,350 f/sec target loads that shred clays every chance I get to go to the range. Since I can't order the specific load anywhere over the Internet, it is hand load or no go. |
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TargetSportsUSA is apparently wrong? They sent out this email:
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It was my understanding that LE was exempt from these but now I’m hearing they are only exempt form certain sections. Are there LE exemptions from having to get background checks or having ammo shipped directly?
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Their site, their rules. They've decided to play it safe come July 1st. At least they'll still ship to CA unlike many others who chose to close shop on CA business.
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https://www.targetsportsusa.com/t-gun-ammo-laws.aspx California • No direct sale of ammunition to consumers unless the purchasing individual is exempt from California state law If you are not exempt, all ammunition orders must be shipped to a Federal Firearms Dealer for transfer (Dealer rates do vary, please contact dealer prior to placing an order) **Exemptions include active Law Enforcement Officers, active Peace Officers and FFL holders (Type 03 included) • No ammunition magazines and feeding devices over 10 rounds |
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I emailed TargetSportsUSA and their President reached out. I sent him the Penal Code information. Apparently, from this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1494640 Someone claimed CADOJ says FFL03 do not count but that would be opposite the statue as-written. |
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My E-mail to TSUSA regarding discontinuation of sales to CA holders of FFL03+COE:
To Whom It May concern: I am surprised, disappointed and confused by your position to discontinue sales to California holders of FFL03 and COE licenses. My review of the Proposition 63 link that you have provided with appropriate CA PC Sections show that: 1.1) Section 8.6 of Section 30312 of the PC is amended and states: (2) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to or affect the sale, delivery, or transfer of handgun ammunition to any of the following: (6) A person who is licensed as a collector of firearms pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, whose licensed premises are within this state, and who has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710. 2.) Licensed ammunition vendors have certain responsibilities per Article 3 of Prop 63. My questions for TargetsportsUSA are: a.) Why are you ignoring the clear exemption for holders of both FFL03 + COE found in Section 30312? b.) Are you indicating that you are or will become a licensed CA ammunition vendor and as such as bound by in-state sales requirements? Does this mean that you will be reporting ammo purchases including buyer information and quantities? Does this mean that all your sales staff will have valid California COEs and you are allowing auditing of your business by local CA officials? Where do you see that in-state vendor requirements apply to out of state entities such as TargetsportsUSA? I know that times of change and regulatory foolishness (?) are hard and I appreciate TargetsportsUSA’s support of California purchasers in times past, but I would ask that you either provide more information about your decision and it’s legal underpinnings or that you rethink your position. Respectfully yours,
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New Ammo Laws/Intrafamilial transfers?
IF a person has had a pistol registered to them thru Intrafamilial transfer and has Never purchased one at a Dealer will Ca state recognize them on the New DOJ Ammo approved list? Will they have to register to purchase ammo or will they already be Approved? hmmmmmm.....
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The Intra-familial transfer paper work put the gun into the Automated Firearms System (AFS) associated with you. When you purchase ammo, $1.00 gets your DL data bumped against the AFS, then against the APPS (Armed Prohibited Persons System). You’ll be in AFS, and not (hopefully) in APPS. Your purchase gets approved. See CAPEN 30370(b) and DOJ draft regulations Section 4302.
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Here's a question and I'm hoping it can be answered
I refuse to participate in the ammo information collection the state wishes to have I've made a purchase legally prior and I found out today it will be arriving on the 1st of July even though I purchased the ammo a week prior it will I still be having two participate in this unconstitutional Act of data collection? During Freedom week any magazines that were purchased on or before 5 p.m. Friday regardless of when shipped we're okay I'm wondering if that's the same for this ammo law coming into effect on the 1st I wish to not have to do a background check for ammo I purchased before the law took effect I can't find anything on this hopefully someone can help. // wall of text edited - Librarian Last edited by Librarian; 06-25-2019 at 10:34 AM.. |
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