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Old 08-22-2018, 11:38 AM
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^ well, if you have military experience, you should be used to that
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^ well, if you have military experience, you should be used to that
Not the first time I've had to roll my eyes.
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“Issue right on the spot?” Did you mean they printed and gave you the card? I thought the interviewer is only an investigator and they need higher level to do final check and approval?

I went in, had my interview, was told my file was clean and the Sgt. was going to do a quick review of my file and escorted back out to the lobby. I waited in the lobby for about 10 minutes, got my text message approval, and was then asked to come back to the back and handed permit on the spot. Super fast, professional, and the lady who issued my card even said congratulations.

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Old 08-23-2018, 8:04 AM
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Wow, that's incredible. Talking about streamlining the process!
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Old 08-23-2018, 8:16 AM
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I went in, had my interview, was told my file was clean and the Sgt. was going to do a quick review of my file and escorted back out to the lobby. I waited in the lobby for about 10 minutes, got my text message approval, and was then asked to come back to the back and handed permit on the spot. Super fast, professional, and the lady who issued my card even said congratulations.

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Nice. I had my interview and everything was also super clear but only get conditional letter and need to wait for final approval from higher up.

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Old 08-23-2018, 9:31 AM
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Here is my timeline:
8/13/2018: livescan (30min)
8/18/2018: ccw training completed(one day)
8/19/2018: prepared documents, good cause statement, proofs, etc.(2hr)
8/20/2018: submitted application, scheduled appointment (15min)
8/21/2018: in-person interview (35min, includes lobby waiting)
8/23/2018: received notice of final approval, picked up the permit on the same day.

10 days! Hours spent does not include driving time.
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Just wondering if it's best to wait to schedule an interview appointment until after you're sure the Live Scan records have all been received by the OCSD?
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Live Scan takes 3-5 days. So just schedule your appt. for the week after you submit your docs and you should be fine.

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Got the approval today!

Here's my timeline:

7/18/18: Application submitted.
7/19/18: Additional documents required for military service.
7/26/18: Face to face appointment.
7/26/18: Additional documents required, livescan request.
7/26/18: Livescan uploaded.
8/8/18: Additional documents required, training certificate.
8/12/18: Training completed, training certificate uploaded.
8/27/18: Sent email to CCW unit requesting update.
8/28/18: Email from CCW unit indicating my application is in final approval pending final decision.
9/5/18: Approved for pickup.

I am attributing my application taking a bit longer to process to a point in my life when I thought I wanted to be LEO, so I had some history with OCSD. Not sure if it caused any hiccups. Ironically, my BI did my dad's packet last year.
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Old 09-05-2018, 7:23 PM
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Just wondering if it's best to wait to schedule an interview appointment until after you're sure the Live Scan records have all been received by the OCSD?
No. Just put your app in. Livescan is easy to do at any point in the process and links directly to your application.
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No. Just put your app in. Livescan is easy to do at any point in the process and links directly to your application.
I assumed they'd want to have all of your background records in front of them when they interviewed you, so they could ask you about them. Isn't that one of the main points of the interview?

Having live scanned myself recently, the FBI comes in like 3 days, the CA DOJ in like a week, and the guy who live scanned me said the firearms records take the longest (I didn't do the firearms scan)?
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Old 09-06-2018, 8:45 AM
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I assumed they'd want to have all of your background records in front of them when they interviewed you, so they could ask you about them. Isn't that one of the main points of the interview?

Having live scanned myself recently, the FBI comes in like 3 days, the CA DOJ in like a week, and the guy who live scanned me said the firearms records take the longest (I didn't do the firearms scan)?
The firearms records were taking 6 months a couple of years ago. People were waiting patiently....yeah right!!

It could well be, but I would call them as that is not how they've been doing it. The interview is to go over your application and verify what's there, not review your livescan results. The livescan is part of the process, as is your training, and while you can do them in any order they will and do advise you for each step. If you do them out of order and your app is denied for some reason the costs are on you, have already been incurred.

It's been fairly fluid around there with updated and streamlined procedures, and they're really processing them through efficiently now, but I have not heard that they've radically changed the steps in the process, more just improved the flow.

There's also the point that once your app is submitted and logged, you get referral number for it for your livescan operator so that results are transmitted directly - it's linked to your app. This also speeds up the process and eliminates any errors in tracking or confirming the results.

Training is last, for all the same reasons, but there's nothing to stop you from doing it in any order, other than there's a time limit on it's validity - not sure what that is or can recall, but I thought it was something like 3 or 6 months.
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Live Scan takes 3-5 days. So just schedule your appt. for the week after you submit your docs and you should be fine.

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It takes 3-5 days if absolutely nothing is linked to your scan; no person with similar name or the like. If there is anything to clarify it will take 2 or 3 weeks and that is if the matter can be easily clarified. Some will take a couple of months or longer.
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It takes 3-5 days if absolutely nothing is linked to your scan; no person with similar name or the like. If there is anything to clarify it will take 2 or 3 weeks and that is if the matter can be easily clarified. Some will take a couple of months or longer.
Mine took 3 days, but Ive had my prints done scores of times over the years.

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If you let your permit expire, do you have to do the initial again or can you do the renewal process?

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If you let your permit expire, do you have to do the initial again or can you do the renewal process?

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It depends on how long your CCW license has been expired. If it's within 14 days, you can still renew. If it's greater than that, start over.
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I have a permanent address in LA county. However, I rent/live down in Orange County almost all week. I don't have any bills, etc. that show my residence in Orange County.

I e-mailed OCSD and they had mentioned that since my permanent address is in LA, I couldn't apply here?

I thought I read a post somewhere that if I have a notarized rental agreement or something to that nature, I would be ok.

Not sure if that has changed and checking to see if anyone else is in a similar situation?
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are you asking about the amount of time after it expires before you submit your renewal app or the amount of time after it expires if renewal app is submitted before expiration date?

I inquired about renewal 5 months before expiration and was told to wait for 90 days prior.. I ended up waiting until only about 3 weeks prior before I submitted app, mostly due to having to write an actual good cause statement this time, I was procrastinating

a week before expiration they requested something I wasn't able to provide until after expiration date due to travel.. so my renewal was issued 5 weeks after the expiration date..

all due to no other fault than my own, but was still a renewal.. staff even assured me it would still be a renewal when I asked about submitting documents after expiration date due to travel.. but again, I did submit renewal prior to expiration, waiting to submit after expiration date may be another story..

I would email staff for clarification if you are unable to submit your renewal before current expiration.. maybe just submitting renewal even if incomplete may hold your place.. again, I would ask staff about your specific situation..

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I have a permanent address in LA county. However, I rent/live down in Orange County almost all week. I don't have any bills, etc. that show my residence in Orange County.

I e-mailed OCSD and they had mentioned that since my permanent address is in LA, I couldn't apply here?

I thought I read a post somewhere that if I have a notarized rental agreement or something to that nature, I would be ok.

Not sure if that has changed and checking to see if anyone else is in a similar situation?

I you are a permanent resident of Los Angeles, you do not meet the residency for Orange County. If you permanently live in OC, and occasionally stay in LA, I think you would be ok. You would have to have supporting documents that prove you are an OC resident. Lease agreement, utility bills, or other official documents, voter registration card, bank statement, vehicle registration, etc. You will also have to update your CDL to reflect OC as your residence. You can have the LA address as your mailing address, but it will send up a red flag. My buddy told me if someone isn't truthful on an application, it a minimum a Misdemeanor. By the way, if you're married with a family of 4, and want to say you rent a room in OC, it's not going to fly. They can look up your wife's record, and see where your kids go to school. I believe they have some type of work CCW license that you have to renew every 3 months. Ask them about it or maybe somebody with that knowledge can post the info about it.

Last thing: If you want to take a posting on Calguns over what the CCW unit told you directly, I think you are being silly .
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I have a permanent address in LA county. However, I rent/live down in Orange County almost all week. I don't have any bills, etc. that show my residence in Orange County.

I e-mailed OCSD and they had mentioned that since my permanent address is in LA, I couldn't apply here?

I thought I read a post somewhere that if I have a notarized rental agreement or something to that nature, I would be ok.

Not sure if that has changed and checking to see if anyone else is in a similar situation?
Take a look at Raulinaitis v. Ventura County Sheriff. Why it is not an Orange Cpounty case, the same law will apply. The Sheriff can interpret the residence requirement to mean that you not only have a residence in the county but that residence is you must be domiciled in that county and you only have one county of domicile. Consequently proof that you reside at times in one county may not establish it to be your county of domicile in which you may receive a CCW on the basis of residence.

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Here, the evidence showed that the Ventura County Sheriff's Department interpreted the residence requirement in California Penal Code section 26150(a)(3) reasonably, investigated Raulinaitis's residence thoroughly, and drew reasonable conclusions about where Raulinaitis resided. Because Raulinaitis's inconsistent declarations at summary judgment did not raise a genuine dispute of material fact about the Sheriff's Department's authority to conduct an investigation into Raulinaitis's residence or the manner in which the investigation was conducted, summary judgment was appropriate.
So while the OCSD can determine that you are a resident of the OC, if there is evidence tending to establish that your permanent home (as in domicile) is in Los Angeles County then it could deny your application on the grounds of residence.

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Thanks for the response guys.

I supposed I could have asked the CCW unit directly, but opted to post here and got the info I needed from you guys!
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OCSD can only issue CCW for verified county of resident. It's state statute.
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OCSD can only issue CCW for verified county of resident. It's state statute.


Except when they issue CCWs to individuals who dont live in Orange County. They do that quite often actually.


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Except when they issue CCW’s to individuals who don’t live in Orange County. They do that quite often actually.


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The code does allow for 90 day permits. Not sure how often OCSD issues such permits.

26150. (a) When a person applies for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, the sheriff of a county may issue a license to that person upon proof of all of the following:
(1) The applicant is of good moral character.
(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license.
(3) The applicant is a resident of the county or a city within the county, or the applicant’s principal place of employment or business is in the county or a city within the county and the applicant spends a substantial period of time in that place of employment or business.

26220. (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section and in subdivision (c) of Section 26210, a license issued pursuant to Section 26150 or 26155 is valid for any period of time not to exceed two years from the date of the license.
(b) If the licensee’s place of employment or business was the basis for issuance of a license pursuant to Section 26150, the license is valid for any period of time not to exceed 90 days from the date of the license. The license shall be valid only in the county in which the license was originally issued. The licensee shall give a copy of this license to the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which the licensee resides. The licensing authority that originally issued the license shall inform the licensee verbally and in writing in at least 16-point type of this obligation to give a copy of the license to the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county of residence. Any application to renew or extend the validity of, or reissue, the license may be granted only upon the concurrence of the licensing authority that originally issued the license and the licensing authority of the city, county, or city and county in which the licensee resides.
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Hmmm...never heard of that. Cool.
I don't think this helps the asker though. [shrug]
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The code does allow for 90 day permits. Not sure how often OCSD issues such permits.
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Hmmm...never heard of that. Cool.
I don't think this helps the asker though. [shrug]
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