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Old 09-14-2018, 11:56 AM
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Not sure if this is the correct forum, but I'm sure I'll be re-directed if not.

Can a California resident purchase ammo in another state and either drive back or check it as luggage flying back with it?
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:23 PM
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Nope. Well, at least not legally speaking. Maybe in the existential version of your question you CAN do anything if you put your mind to it.
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Old 09-14-2018, 2:08 PM
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So a California resident cannot walk into a gun shop in Boise, buy a bunch of ammo, check it as one would check ammo as luggage, and fly back to California with it? How does that work?

A person from Grass Valley can't go play golf in Reno, and on the way back, stop at a sports store, buy a bunch of ammo, and drive back home with it in the car?

Is the Boise or Reno store prohibited from selling to someone with a California license?

Is the airline prohibited from checking personal property?

What, exactly, is the statute involved?
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Yes that is the new law. You can not buy ammo from outside CA and bring it into the state yourself. You can take ammo from CA with you too Reno or Boise, and bring that ammo back with you however. You can also buy ammo out of state for use out of state but you can’t bring it back with you.

Now for how it’s enforced, I don’t know. We’re all waiting around for a case studie to happen.

I know for a fact that Sportsman’s Warehouse and Cabelas both here in AZ will not sell CA residents ammo knowingly.
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So a California resident cannot walk into a gun shop in Boise, buy a bunch of ammo, check it as one would check ammo as luggage, and fly back to California with it? How does that work? Doing so would be against the CA ammo import law unless that person was an Ammo dealer or a FFL. Neither of which would the store in Boise or the airline stop you from doing (Purchasing or flying with Ammo). They are many lawful reasons to fly with ammo and to purchase Ammo out of state

A person from Grass Valley can't go play golf in Reno, and on the way back, stop at a sports store, buy a bunch of ammo, and drive back home with it in the car? No

Is the Boise or Reno store prohibited from selling to someone with a California license? No

Is the airline prohibited from checking personal property? No, I fly with ammo all the time. The airline has no idea how I got it nor are they under any burden to find out. They assume I purchased it lawfully.

What, exactly, is the statute involved?
As much as I don't agree with it CA can regulate the conduct of if residence of CA or anyone coming into the State of CA. It only becomes illegal when the ammo crosses state lines.

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What, exactly, is the statute involved?
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OK, thanks for all the input!

So glad that people who have never been near a gun know so much about what I need to do to protect myself with one and enact legislation to keep tabs on me.

Land of the free......
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Specifically, PC 30312, in relevant parts
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(a) (1) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale of ammunition by any party shall be conducted by or processed through a licensed ammunition vendor.

(2) When neither party to an ammunition sale is a licensed ammunition vendor, the seller shall deliver the ammunition to a vendor to process the transaction. The ammunition vendor shall promptly and properly deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, if the sale is not prohibited, as if the ammunition were the vendor’s own merchandise. If the ammunition vendor cannot legally deliver the ammunition to the purchaser, the vendor shall forthwith return the ammunition to the seller. The ammunition vendor may charge the purchaser an administrative fee to process the transaction, in an amount to be set by the Department of Justice, in addition to any applicable fees that may be charged pursuant to the provisions of this title.

(b) Commencing January 1, 2018, the sale, delivery, or transfer of ownership of ammunition by any party may only occur in a face-to-face transaction with the seller, deliverer, or transferor, provided, however, that ammunition may be purchased or acquired over the Internet or through other means of remote ordering if a licensed ammunition vendor initially receives the ammunition and processes the transaction in compliance with this section and Article 3 (commencing with Section 30342) of Chapter 1 of Division 10 of Title 4 of this part.
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(d) A violation of this section is a misdemeanor.

(Amended by Stats. 2017, Ch. 783, Sec. 3. (AB 693) Effective October 14, 2017. Note: This section was amended on Nov. 8, 2016, by initiative Prop. 63.)
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(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
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(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.
(Added November 8, 2016, by initiative Proposition 63, Sec. 8.7.)
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Specifically, PC 30312, in relevant parts and 30314
Interesting is that the law reads "a resident of this state" I wonder if this would hold water for a non resident of this state to bring their ammo into CA?
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Can a California resident purchase ammo in another state and either drive back or check it as luggage flying back with it?

Another answer... Yes, if you get a FFL03 and COE.


See the following Librarian sticky and look at the exemptions:


http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ammo+exemption


This certainly covers the driving back part. Flying also adds another possible layer of airline or other regulations.
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Interesting is that the law reads "a resident of this state" I wonder if this would hold water for a non resident of this state to bring their ammo into CA?
A non-resident of CA can legally import ammo into CA for personal use.

Once the non-resident is in CA, if they transfer ownership of the ammo, it needs to be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor.
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Gotcha. Thanks Quiet. So Billy Nevada resident comes hunting in SoCal with his buddy and brings his .30-06 and some ammo with him he’s good to go.
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Gotcha. Thanks Quiet. So Billy Nevada resident comes hunting in SoCal with his buddy and brings his .30-06 and some ammo with him he’s good to go.
But - if Billy Nevada wants to let SoCal buddy have the ammo he didn't use, Billy needs to transfer it through a licensed vendor? He can't just give it to him?
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Here's another twist: Dad is a resident of California who goes to visit daughter who is a resident of Idaho. Daughter has a stockpile of ammo she wants to give to dad.

The restrictions of the statute do not apply to direct family transfers. So, can Dad visiting in Idaho accept the ammo and legally take it back with him to California? Seems like the exceptions apply...

30312(c)(10)
30314(b)(6)
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But - if Billy Nevada wants to let SoCal buddy have the ammo he didn't use, Billy needs to transfer it through a licensed vendor? He can't just give it to him?
Unless the CA resident is an exempt person, the ammo transfer legally needs to be done through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor (CA FFL dealer).

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Here's another twist: Dad is a resident of California who goes to visit daughter who is a resident of Idaho. Daughter has a stockpile of ammo she wants to give to dad.

The restrictions of the statute do not apply to direct family transfers. So, can Dad visiting in Idaho accept the ammo and legally take it back with him to California? Seems like the exceptions apply...

30312(c)(10)
30314(b)(6)
Yes.
Because the transfer is between immediate family members it is exempt from needing to be transferred through a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor (CA FFL dealer).

PC 30312(c)(10) = exemption that allows transfers within CA.
PC 30314(b)(6) = exemption that allows importation into CA.
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