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interstate intrafamilial handgun transfer
this may be a noob question but I dont know the facts. I want to buy a off roster Glock 42 from a seller in LA but I live in the Bay Area. are transfer legal if shipped to my local FFL?
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No, can't be shipped, has to be transferred as a CA PPT, unless it is you parent/child/grandparent/grandchild.
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Just to build on what Kemasa means, PPT is a face to face transfer between two, private party, California residents with CA ID/DL
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Short answer, yes CO-dad may transfer off-Roster to CA-son, in person (no CA id needed from him) or shipped to CA FFL.
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Given that you just said that you want to BUY one, and when told "no", you change to getting one from Dad, I'm gonna' go with "no" simply because the intrafamilial transfer must be a gift. You can not legally send the money to anyone to buy a gun for you.
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There are two different issues in regards to giving someone money to buy a gun for you. The first is if they fill out a 4473 as they wouldn't be the actual buyer. That can be avoided in a private sale in a free state. The second would be that they would be acting as an unlicensed gun dealer and you can't around that.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein Last edited by kemasa; 09-11-2018 at 6:52 PM.. |
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gift handgun to Nevada grandson
I never thought I would have to ask; consider myself lucky, one of my offspring likes shooting sport.
Well he lives in NV and I am in CA. He comes by every month and shoots with me. Can I gift it to him and have him do the Nics in NV? much obliged, Max |
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You can gift it to him but, under federal law, it must be transferred to him through a NV FFL. You can either take the firearm to the NV FFL or ship it to the NV FFL. You would need to check to see if the NV FFL will accept the firearm shipped from a non FFL and, if not, you would need to find a local CA FFL to ship it for you. If he has a NV Concealed carry permit issued on or after July 1, 2011, he will be exempt from the NICS check but must still complete the 4473 form at the NV FFL.
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family interstate transfer.
ok I keep making threads here sorry. but more clarify my question. since I cant ship a off roster firearm form another state from a PPT.
my dad in Colorado has two firearms he wants to give to me as a gift but he lives in CO is it as simple him filling out the proper paperwork in his state at his local FFL and then that FFL ships the firearms to my local FFL and do my end and waiting period here ? and there both off roster hand guns |
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OP both guns must go through an FFL on your end. Your dad can bring the guns to Ca and meet at an FFL and do the transfer or use an FFL to FFL transfer. 1 in 30 does apply.
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Some local FFLs require the shipping party to be an FFL and in the CFLC system. The main problem with shipping though, is that FedEx and UPS will not accept firearms, and a private individual can not ship handguns via USPS, while an FFL can. IF he is able to get UPS to accept the shipment, it will have to be shipped overnight, and from the terminal... not the "UPS Store"
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That is legal, BUT before he ships, make sure that you scout out and confirm two important things with your receiving FFL:
1 - Do they understand that California law provides a roster exemption for intrafamilial transfers? 2 - Do they release at 30 days should your DROS go "undetermined"? Undetermined DROS has been a BIG problem lately. Turners and a lot of other FFLs won't release on "undetermined" even though it is not a denial, it is not a delay, and it IS perfectly legal to release. DOJ has been swamped with AW registrations and VolRegs, and we are hearing about "undetermined" DROS results every week.
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My son in NC used ShipMyGun.com (SMG) website to ship a handgun to an FFL here in CA. The SMG provides for a private party to pay for the shipment (next day air via Fedex) with a credit card and print a label. You can insure it for an amount determined by you. Take the handgun sealed in the box with the label attached to Fedex Center (not Fedex store) and drop it off. The next day it arrives at your selected FFL. Very efficient and legal. Just ensure the FFL you are using will accept this process.
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Some locations have issues, making up rules that don't actually exist, so calls to Corp. tend to solve that problem.
As I said, look at their online polices and it doesn't say that they don't accept firearms. Oh, then there is also the claim that handguns can never be shipped USPS, not saying that it is actually just limited to dealers. In other words don't believe everything that you read on the Internet.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein Last edited by kemasa; 09-08-2018 at 10:15 AM.. |
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interstate gun from mom to son
hello I am trying to get the right information here. my mom lives in AZ as a correction officer and is gifting me 2 used fire arms that are off roster Glocks. now what I know I can received them. but she is in a small town chino valley AZ where the. FFL won't ship to a FFL here cus they think it against the law. now can my mom ship the firearms her self with the proper documents. (what would she need as proof ) and how to go about it and also can I DROS both with out the 1/30 rule and if any FFL here where I live. TRACY/BAYAREA location can do this transfer. please help
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Shipping from an FFL is often cheaper since it can be shipped USPS, otherwise it has to be shipped UPS/FedEx overnight. You might see if the FFL there can be educated. Unless you have a C&R FFL and COE, you would be subject to the 1 in 30. She would also need to provide a letter documenting the transfer as an intra-familial transfer.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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~rkt was here~
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This is a very quick way to become a federal felon.
But, mom could legally drive (or fly) them to your California FFL. |
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3) Both be picked up by Feds.
4) Both be convicted of violating 18 USC 922, and sentenced to $10K fines, 5 years in Federal prison, and permanent bar from even touching a firearm. ----- And mmaaka, this is exactly the same question you asked here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1475117, with 'mom' instead of 'dad'.
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Also keep in mind that even though the transfer is roster-exempt, the 1-every-30 limit does apply.
She can ship both to the FFL at the same time, but you can only DROS one a month... make sure the receiving FFL is OK with holding one for a month. Also, the transfer will be subject to normal transfer fees... it is not a $35 PPT. Quote:
Scout your local FFLs and make sure that they understand that: 1 - Intrafamilial transfers are roster-exempt 2 - She may hand-carry to execute an interstate dealer-transfer
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Mags. 10 rounds max.
And ignore Featureless.
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Well apparently THAT was a stupid idea. In the future I'll stick to keeping myself California compliant and refrain on commenting on other legal issues I know nothing about.
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California Native Lifelong Gun Owner NRA Member CRPA Member ....."He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance." Declaration of Independence, 1776 Last edited by Featureless; 09-11-2018 at 7:51 AM.. |
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That's OK - even the CA-DOJ frequently gives the advice you offered, as well as some number of CA FFLs. Forgetting about Federal law seems a widespread error.
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They accept without argument when I tell them that the State of Commiefornia says otherwise unless it's a C&R.
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OK, I take back half the bad things I was thinking of saying but did not.
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True, but not relevant since what is being discussed isn't a CA PPT.
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Kemasa. False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse. Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong. Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein |
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