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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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Yes, with LTC
http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/weapons.htm Note, that - discharging a firearm for any reason is illegal - possession, use, or discharge of pepper spray (including bear spray), pellet guns, and BB guns in Yosemite National Park is prohibited. Last edited by riderr; 10-12-2014 at 9:13 PM.. |
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Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances.
Anyone know what facilities in the park are prohibited?
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No signs at hotels,stores,restrooms,or trams. I looked very carefully and "Carried On". Be safe |
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Thank you.
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No signs at hotels,stores,restrooms,or trams. I looked very carefully and "Carried On".
I believe ALL buildings within the park are considered "federal buildings." This includes restrooms, gift shops, etc. Ok so which statement above is correct?
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Took 2 minutes to Google this
Firearms As of February 22, 2010, a federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms in this park. It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before entering this park. As a starting point, visit the California Attorney General's website. Federal law also prohibits firearms in certain facilities in this park; those places are marked with signs at all public entrances. Discharging a firearm for any reason is illegal. http://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/weapons.htm
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This.
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So the end result is carry but...............if you have a run in with a BG don't fire it or you will go to federal prison and lose the LTC immediately.
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Ok, so no one seems to be asking an obvious question, which is, if since 2010 you are allowed to carry in the park as long as you are legally doing so, meaning, you have an LTC, AND ... it is illegal to discharge a firearm in the park for ANY reason, does this then mean that even though you are legally carrying your CCW with an LTC that it would be illegal for you to discharge it for the one and primary reason you have it in the first place, namely, self-defense?
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I remember having this discussion in here not too long ago. If I remember correctly, a Calgunner actually got it straight from the Yosemite DA that any
discharge of a firearm will be prosecuted. Even self defense.
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Misdemeanor. May or may not affect the status of your LTC, depending on your IA and its policies/philosophy. They did charge the guy in Glacier NP:
http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/09/25...cier-shooting/
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Last edited by riderr; 10-14-2014 at 10:46 AM.. |
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Well, they say the Black Bears don't have a history of charging people, unlike Grizzly Bears. That's why Yosemite has so strict rules. In my view, banning bear spray is ridiculous.
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You will see a sticker above the entrance door handle that depicts a firearm with the red circle with a cross through it. Don't go in those bldgs.
Entrance doors MUST be clearly marked to be a prohibited bldg. |
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Recent Experiences?
Anyone been to Yosemite recently? I'm planning a trip there. Would like to carry, but not at the risk of breaking the law to go to the bathroom, or buy a water... Which buildings have/don't have signs posted?
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A federal building is any building or part thereof owned or leased by the federal government where federal employees are regularly present for performing their official duties.
In my opinion, that includes the restrooms as federal employees clean them. In open air areas of the park, you are good to carry with a California CCW.
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As WillyWilly already mentioned, I was able to contact the DA in Yosemite National Park in March of 2012 regarding this very topic. Here is her response;
You are allowed to carry your firearm as long as you have a California Concealed Carry Weapons permit as you mentioned. If it was an out of state license, then the answer would be different. Just like anywhere else, you are subject to all state laws related to the permit. Also remember, as mentioned on the website, that discharge of the firearm for any reason is illegal in the park. There are also certain buildings that are marked (for instance the visitor center) where it is marked on the door that firearms are not allowed inside the building. Sharon Miyako National Park Service Yosemite National Park http://www.nps.gov/yose/ |
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Looks like they are still giving out bad advice:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...fense-illegal/ Unless I'm mistaken (and someone please cite), state law is controlling as although its Federal land, the parks cede control of the jurisdiction to the states. In his case, a self-defense shoot would be the same as any other area where discharge is a crime. If you stand on self defense and can prove it, it comes with the same repercussions. You should ask your IA what they would do if you had to defend yourself in Yosemite. Would they revoke your permit? |
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https://www.wideopenspaces.com/texan...-bear-montana/ Quote:
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdo...ase-dismissed/ Quote:
And I don't see state LE patrolling national parks. Fed LE does that. Feds have not ceded control of the national parks to the states. All they say is that visitors must follow both state and fed law. And the county Sheriff must authorize the feds to enforce state law, otherwise they can't. Witness when the El Dorado County Sheriff tore up the agreement allowing Fed LE to enforce state law in the national park. https://www.mtdemocrat.com/news/sher...vice-of-power/ Quote:
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My point about the 2016 article is that nothing has changed with respect to the NPS in terms of disseminating the proper information, as was shown 2+ years ago.
Do you have any links for the cases you mention for the more recent SD shoots? I would like to read up on them. Thanks |
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Skyhawk, a NP =/= NF. Different rules.
Regardless, if a sheriff (state law) disallows park police (Federal law) from enforcing state law, is it illegal, Federally to discharge your weapon in self defense? In this case the park has ceded control of the jurisdiction to state law, and without sheriff agreements, park police can only enforce Federal law. |
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I believe that the law states an exemption to verifiable self defense, I don't have time to do some digging for the statute but will later. Either way, I personally would carry, and if I had to use the firearm for self defense, so be it. Better a charge, than dead.
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Here is another one I quickly found
https://www.nationalparkstraveler.or...d-preserve6320 Quote:
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https://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/...307300361.html http://www.dailycamera.com/boulder-c...aggressive-elk Quote:
So now, show me a case where someone in a legit self defense shooting in a NP *was* charged, charges stuck after review by a judge, and then they were even tried and convicted. I've shown two where that law 'no discharge' law fell flat on its face because no one in their right mind would consider that law to hold up under scrutiny in a defense shooting where guns are lawfully carried, in fact so far it has not. The one time they did try to press it, the shooter walked after trial by judge. I'll be waiting, but not holding my breath. It is simply a farce to say you can carry loaded guns for protection but you can't actually use them when you need to. That 'no discharge' law will never survive a challenge in a lawful shoot. Period. And last year the Secretary of the interior signed an order to enhance shooting activities on NPS land. I'm not sure how you can do that if you can't discharge a firearm on NPS land. Secretarial Order 3356 directs bureaus within the department to: - Within 120 days produce a plan to expand access for hunting and fishing on BLM, USFWS and NPS land. - Amend national monument management plans to ensure the public's right to hunt, fish and target shoot. https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/se...hance-wildlife https://www.doi.gov/sites/doi.gov/fi...ed_so_3356.pdf Last edited by SkyHawk; 10-24-2018 at 2:41 PM.. |
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Conceal carry Yosemite National Park
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Guess you could argue that COTUS gives you the right to life and thus defending it is allowed, even by discharge of a firearm (if justified, etc) even if the law does not specifically call out defense of self or others are lawful reasons for said discharge
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