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Concealed Carry Discussion General discussion regarding CCW/LTC in California |
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Let's just keep a level of sanity when dealing with today's laws, shall we? |
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Shooting Strong Hand Only - 1 round per second @ 15 yards - Groups 10" Shooting Weak Hand Only - 1 round per second @ 15 yards - Groups 6" Shooting Strong Hand Only - 2 round per second @ 15 yards - Groups 8" Shooting Weak Hand Only - 2 round per second @ 15 yards - Groups 12" So that's exactly what I said - I shoot better weak hand only vs strong hand only when I don't shoot quickly. And to further clarify this is all shooting the same gun, with the same ammo between strings. ETA: the group sizes are to illustrate my example.
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Getting a California carry permit is going to be really, really irritating. Why are you supporting making the process more annoying? http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_...#Documentation
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Additionally, I do not see the value from a public safety point (assuming that is their argument) why one has to specify which firearms to carry. If one has a CCW then it should apply to all of his/her concealable weapons.
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Yep, that's where I took mine. ( Old West Shootery)
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If it were the government that granted the rights of the people, the government could take away the rights of the people. If the right comes from God (natural rights), the government cannot take away something that existed before the government. See why this distinction is important and an important guard against the eventual tyranny that governments tend to trend towards? By the way, the tyranny that government tends to gravitate towards is evident in the very law that Brown has now signed. We all know this is just the first step in getting rid of concealed carry in California. |
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Until then, we can only try to slow down the inevitable, and agreeing to stricter requirements is just one of those steps. It's inconceivable, and, even more so, unacceptable for Joe and Jane Average, that a person in a state with constitutional carry can buy an "assault weapon" in a store or order it online and then carry it around like it's a toy, without having gone through extensive testing and qualifying. Many of us may disagree, but we would still be in the minority in today's political climate. Among us, and off the record, even I would want to live in a state where 50% of the adults are carrying, and of those 50% there are millions who are simply not proficient with their firearm, couldn't hit a barn door if they stood in front of it. That's scary to me, so I can imagine how scary this must be to the antis. I still believe that the better argument for concealed carry is to point out to the uneducated masses and doubters that anybody who legally carries has gone though background check, interview, and extensive training and found trustworthy and proficient with their firearm(s). |
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That's the only way to keep them safe isn't it? With the Antis as has been said here in these forums over and over it's incrementalism. Soon whatever is defined as "extensive training" now isn't enough tomorrow. After the next violent mass media shooting then "trustworthiness" will need to be redefined again.
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A true compromise would be what you suggested, but once the above is done CCW is automatic. As it is, it is just a way to deny people CCW by making it more onerous.
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I still believe that the better argument for concealed carry is to point out to the uneducated masses and doubters that anybody who legally carries has gone though background check, interview, and extensive training and found trustworthy and proficient with their firearm(s).[/QUOTE]
Interview? what interview?, no interview in kernco |
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Mandatory training is an infringement upon our Second Amendment. But then again, so are CCW permits. But then again...again, all gun control laws violate the Second Amendment. The ONLY way to enact CONSTITUTIONAL gun control is via Article V of the US Constitution, the amendment process.
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It's amazing how many Americans believe fake news. |
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Do you have a clue of why James Madison memorialized our NATURAL RIGHT to keep and bear arms in his Second Amendment? |
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Our natural rights flow to us from God. Since God gives us our natural rights, no entity has standing to interfere with them. Only those holding natural rights can forfeit them by violating social compacts. You can learn more about this were you to read John Locke upon whom our Founding Fathers relied for guidance. Where in James Madison's Second Amendment might I find your reference to reasonable regulation? If you were knowledgeable of America's founding and the intent of our Founding Fathers, you'd know that your nonsense of "reasonable regulation" is inimical of our Founding Fathers' belief that our natural right to keep and bear arms must not be infringed, for the Second Amendment's intent is to assure Americans' natural rights. Show me where I can find your assertion of "Constitutional legal concept". The United States Constitution is not legal concept. It is legal fact. Tell a big enough lie often enough & people will believe it, even those whom were purportedly commissioned to determine facts. sgt1372, here's some friendly and helpful advice which you desperately need: when in doubt, access primary source documents before making a fool of yourself. Just helpful advice... |
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sgt1372 is an ex-cop. He is one of the more "equal" animals and has been exempted from the laws of the little folk. He would be one of the guys that would be kicking down your door if called upon my our rulers. Giving them exemptions keeps them the "kings" men. Bow surfs!
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The founders left England, and one of the many reasons was that as English subjects, they were forced to worship the Church of England and were not free to practice as Catholic, Lutheran, Moslem, etc... While the majority of the founders who were not atheists were protestant, they did not believe that the Government should force the citizens to follow their beliefs. They provided the framework for freedom OF religion. Freedom OF religion /= Freedom from exposure to religion and religious concepts. Nothing prohibits prayer in school, nothing prohibits religious symbolism on government property or artifacts. Likewise, nothing forces a local government that refuses to remove crosses from their city logo to also be required to add symbolism from other beliefs such as the crescent or pentacle.
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Once again Coke hit the nail on the head. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Our Founding Fathers endeavored to protect the country they had created from monarchy. The First Amendment is about prevention of a monarchy & preservation of a constitutional republic. Separation of church & state was a huge lie concocted by Hugo Black in Everson, His intent was to remove our Christian God from government in direct opposition to the intent of our Founding Fathers. Our Founding Fathers created a Christian nation. Hugo Black's motive was to destroy that crucial tenet. Black should've been impeached. He wasn't. He was protected. We are not self-governed nor are we a free people. We're a ruled people of foreign interests. |
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Nevada's old policy was that you would need to qualify with both a revolver and a semi-auto to be able to carry either. I get that... I can't shoot a DAO wheelgun well enough to feel comfortable carrying one. Sure, I could qualify to my county's standards... though I would probably not qualify to Sacramento's standards. But between different semi-autos or different revolvers, there is so little difference that the old Nevada model is more than adequate to show proficiency with any gun.
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1/5th of this nation does not require any proficiency test for the carry of a concealed weapon.
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And yet California continues to go the wrong way.
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See? Random statistics are not necessarily your friend.
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Constitutional Carry (as well as shall-issue) has been advancing quite rapidly, so yes, California is going the wrong way, even as more individual counties are going "green"
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You are correct about that. I dread the day. Just be glad they haven't gone after the "Good Moral Character" part yet.
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My stat was backed up by a listing of those states. 10 constitutional carry states / 51 overall states = 19.6% of all states are constitutional carry. My bigger point is that these states require no qualification course/training to carry. And, the world has not come to an end in those jurisdictions. So for all of yous who advocate for some sort of training and qualification to exercise a Right, it is my position that y'all are anti Liberty to some degree or another. Perhaps there ought to be an English composition test before posting on a forum of more than say, 100 characters at a time. See how it works when you apply arbitrary requirements to an enumerated Right? But hey, what do I know, just go on ahead and squabble over the left over scraps that are our 2nd Amendment Right.
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That makes the stat valid; however, since it shows no causative or correlative connection to the discussion, it is “random”.
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Also, please don’t confuse my observations on your statistical inferences with advocacy for requiring training...they aren’t. Quote:
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Bear in mind, I am no statistical scholar which may be why I do not dive down in the mud of arguing those points when the only real discussion should be the encroachment of our Liberties. I also agree that the stat does not help the argument when you are arguing stats of this or that, but my point was that those other states do not experience the gun fights in the streets or the "untrained" running amok like some here would have us believe would happen had CA not have training requirements. In the future I shall endeavor to refine my statistical analysis to more appropriately match your high expectations of my potential.
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Regardless of it's being right or not, the law is here and we must follow it or risk the consequences. I don't like it any more than y'all do. Still, we must learn to work with it to the best extent possible.
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WOW, just WOW!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The renewal requirement is no LESS than 4 hours....so more than 4 hours is not an issue. But it's gonna costs you....
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Can't make any real plans until the IA delivers their shooting qualification requirements.
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Basically, the test is gun handling safely. Something people are supposed to demonstrate when they buy a gun.
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"The best gun is the one you'll have on you when you need it the most, the one you know how to use, the one that goes BANG every single time you pull the trigger. Whether that gun cost you $349 or $1,100 it's worth every penny if it saves your life, or the life of someone you love.” -Tim Schmit, CCW Magazine July 2015 NRA Lifetime Member : CalGuns Lifetime Member : GOA Lifetime Member |
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