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Old 11-05-2018, 2:59 PM
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Can someone with an OC permit stop off at a bar that also serves food when on a motorcycle ride and legally carry? The person carrying isn't consuming any alcohol and it is a bar but also cooks food for purchase. I am assuming that it isn't legal to do so since the facility primarily serves alcohol but wasn't sure since they also have a food counter.
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In general... type 47 liquor license ok, type 48 not. Info for every establishment available online and even if the name of the place is "Killer Bob's Biker Bar" if it has a type 47 license it's legally a restaurant and not just a bar.
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One of the most common types of liquor licenses for restaurants is the California Liquor License Type 47. The Type 47 license is specifically designated for businesses that primarily serve food.The California Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) states that, in order to be issued a Type 47 license, your establishment must be a “bona fide eating place.” Basically, this means that your business must generate at least 51% of all gross sales from food. Also, the food must be true, prepared food that you would find in most restaurants or cafes.
https://www.liquorlicenseagents.com/...cense-type-47/
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California Liquor License Type 48 licenses are typically issued for bars and nightclubs, or other adult venues where minors will not be present. The California Liquor License Type 48 permits the holder to serve liquor until 2:00 AM. The facility can only admit entry those 21 years of age and older. Unlike the Type 41 and Type 47 licenses, the California Liquor License Type 48 is designated as an on and off-premises license. Liquor, beer and wine may be sold for on-premises consumption, as well as beer and wine for off-premises consumption.
https://www.liquorlicenseagents.com/...cense-type-48/

... all of which I did not know until given the pointer to look it up - thanks!

Both not drinking and not being in a place that makes most of its money selling alcohol are requirements of the license - from the CCW app:
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While exercising the privileges granted to the licensee under the terms of this license, the licensee shall not, when carrying a concealed weapon:
• Consume any alcoholic beverage.
• Be in a place having a primary purpose of dispensing alcoholic beverages for on-site consumption.
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Thank you gents for the clarifications. I learned a lot in the posts just now.
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Thanks for the informative responses!
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I just looked up Cooks Corner in trabuco canyon and they have a type 47 license but the place looks a lot like a bar. I also know that you can bring your kids as well. I am assuming that it's fine based on that criteria?
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Here is where you can look up license info for an establishment:

https://www.abc.ca.gov/datport/LQSDBAQuery.html

It appears to be broken at the moment, though.

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We are experiencing intermittent technical difficulties with the LQS (License Query System) and looking into the cause. We apologize for any inconvenience.
This tool (which isn't broken) lets you view all the businesses in an area:

http://maps.gis.ca.gov/abc/lqs/
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Interestingly, the 2 bars by my house, which I would have most definitely considered "bars", not "restaurants that also serve alcohol", because nobody goes to either of them for the crappy food, turns out they both have Type 47 licenses.

Crazy.

Wish I knew about this ABC license tip before. Thanks for the heads up! I had been avoiding carrying in a lot of different "bar and grill" type places for a really long time, just to be safe, and it turns out I didn't really need to play the guessing game after all.
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Here is where you can look up license info for an establishment:

https://www.abc.ca.gov/datport/LQSDBAQuery.html

It appears to be broken at the moment, though.
Try this?

https://www.abc.ca.gov/datport/lqs.html?screenid=14
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I just looked up Cooks Corner in trabuco canyon and they have a type 47 license but the place looks a lot like a bar. I also know that you can bring your kids as well. I am assuming that it's fine based on that criteria?
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Can someone with an OC permit stop off at a bar that also serves food when on a motorcycle ride and legally carry? The person carrying isn't consuming any alcohol and it is a bar but also cooks food for purchase. I am assuming that it isn't legal to do so since the facility primarily serves alcohol but wasn't sure since they also have a food counter.
Are we talking California??? Who has an OC permit in California??
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Are we talking California??? Who has an OC permit in California??
I may be wrong, but I made the assumption that the OP was referring to having a State of California - License To Carry A Concealed Firearm 'CCW' with the issuing agency being the (OC) Orange County Sheriff's Office...

But with this being on the internet, who knows without clarification by the OP. Maybe they meant OC as "Open Carry"?
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You were correct, I was referring to an Orange County CCW Permit.

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I may be wrong, but I made the assumption that the OP was referring to having a State of California - License To Carry A Concealed Firearm 'CCW' with the issuing agency being the (OC) Orange County Sheriff's Office...

But with this being on the internet, who knows without clarification by the OP. Maybe they meant OC as "Open Carry"?
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I believe only if booze is less of the sales than food. also I think it may be dependant on the moment you are in there. Earlier in the day there may be more food being served than booze where you would be fine, but later that night it may be the other way round. No sitting at the bar at all even if not drinking. Has to be a table. At least that is the way I understood it. But I may be wrong.

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I believe only if booze is less of the sales than food. also I think it may be dependant on the moment you are in there. Earlier in the day there may be more food being served than booze where you would be fine, but later that night it may be the other way round. No sitting at the bar at all even if not drinking. Has to be a table. At least that is the way I understood it. But I may be wrong.

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I believe you are wrong, about the time of day that you're there. The business either sells mostly alcohol overall, or they don't. What they sell more of at any given time of the day is irrelevant. Otherwise, how would you define a "time of the day"? A 1 hour window? A 5 minute window? A 10 second window? If you look over at the bar and see someone order a drink without food, do you have to take your gun back out to your car because of that transaction, and wait until someone places 2 food orders without alcohol before you can bring it back in?

Also, unless the bar section and the table sections are operating under separate business/ABC licenses, if you can be in one, then you can be in either one. It is not 2 establishments, it's one.

You're correct that you can't be consuming alcohol, though.

If you want to sit at the bar during happy hour, and just eat their nachos with an iced tea, you may. You just can't consume alcohol, and you need to be sure that most of their sales "overall" derive from non-alcohol purchases. The type of ABC license they have should make that clear, if there is any question, as discussed earlier in the thread.
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Does anyone have the ccw laws? I want to be �� complainant.
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I believe only if booze is less of the sales than food. also I think it may be dependant on the moment you are in there. Earlier in the day there may be more food being served than booze where you would be fine, but later that night it may be the other way round. No sitting at the bar at all even if not drinking. Has to be a table. At least that is the way I understood it. But I may be wrong.

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