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Old 10-14-2020, 11:11 AM
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Default Tomato Sauce worked great to clean my Enfield butt stock plate...

Hey guys,
I'm sure anyone trying to figure out things will google brass cleaning. I bought a brass butt plate from sarco and it was almost black on both sides from years of sitting. I didn't want to use anything abrasive just clean it. Came out pretty good. I used some tomato sauce but ketchup will work. Salt, Vinegar, and flour is supposed to work also. Ordered a beech butt stock that I will refinish so should match nicely.

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Old 10-14-2020, 11:33 AM
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Acid. Tomatoes are acidic. Just in case you're wondering why.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:37 AM
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Back when tomato juice can in a large can, once opened you needed to transfer leftovers to a glass or plastic bottle as the can would begin to corrode overnight in the fridge if left in the can.

Looks nice OP.
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Old 10-14-2020, 11:39 AM
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Yeah, I always read too much so saw that. Lemon juice was another but yeah pretty much anything with acid. I just left it for 1 hour but I did redo it for another hour and cleaned the back off nicely also. There was a cool emblem with 3 rifles that I didn't see before. I wish it was a 1940s plate but for $10 I can't complain.

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Old 10-14-2020, 12:34 PM
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but you ruined the patina that takes time

yea the moonshiners showed how ketchup can really clean copper
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Old 10-14-2020, 12:44 PM
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It wasn't a cool WWII patina since made in 1953. Most likely it was just corrosion from sitting in a warehouse for years was fugly. This will go nicely with a refinished beech butt stock vs an nice old dark walnut. I can't find one on google images that was as bad. I should have taken a before picture. You couldn't tell for sure if it was brass.

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Old 10-14-2020, 3:58 PM
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In the army on KP we cleaned the steam table copper pipes
with hot sauce. The cooks had lots of hot sauce but not much food-safe copper cleaner.
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I didn't have ketchup and was wondering if my Tapatio would do the job hah sounds like it will. I guess it has salt, vinegar, tomato etc..
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If you were really a collector u would use the tomato sauce u used and make dinner with it. That way you could internalize the memory of the patina.
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Old 10-14-2020, 6:07 PM
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If you were really a collector u would use the tomato sauce u used and make dinner with it. That way you could internalize the memory of the patina.
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If you put it in the oven at 200 degrees for 30 minutes it will turn golden.

Heat it with a torch to turn it blue. Use cold blue to antique the brass.

Lots of easy methods to alter the color. I like the golden look.

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It must be something with the zinc. I googled and found an article on making gold pennies and it involves powdered zinc. Our butt plates are made of copper and zinc since that's what brass is. Mine I think looks pretty bright now but your saying it can get even more goldish?
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Yes, there are many ways to alter the color. If you don't like the color you can start over. The oven method only requires heat and produces a rich golden tone.

Chemicals such as cold blue need to be buffed after for final color.

Brass is great to work with but will tarnish eventually. If you patina the brass degrease after and spray with shellac or lacquer. Use a flat lacquer for a satin finish.

Have some fun and learn what you can do with brass.

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OP ya might think of giving your butt plate a good squirting with some Windex (original formula with the ammonia). The acid in the tomato paste is still working. Giving it the squirt of Windex (the ammonia is a base) will neutralize the acid far better than just rinsing it. I learned this the hard way making damascus knives.
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Ok cool thank you. I did that just now.
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I think it looks great, OP. I would not do anything to try to change the color. As another poster mentioned, it will immediately start to “tarnish.” I would not do lacquer or anything to try to stabilize the color. The “tarnish” is just the process of developing a new patina.
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That's nice, did you soak it for a long time or scrub it with tomato sauce?
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I just used a small spoon and layed it on top for an hour then wiped it off and it was done. I had a toothbrush that maybe I used. I did the same for the back side. It had a copper look after so 0000 steel wool took care of that. I read the acid removes some zinc on the surface so copper is left but it wipes away.
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I just used a small spoon and layed it on top for an hour then wiped it off and it was done. I had a toothbrush that maybe I used. I did the same for the back side. It had a copper look after so 0000 steel wool took care of that. I read the acid removes some zinc on the surface so copper is left but it wipes away.
Interesting, thanks. I have my eye out for an Enfield 303, I was going to buy one recently but someone snagged it. 1942 with us gov property marking. Next time...
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I'd love a Savage Enfield. I have a Long Branch. Almost done with the butt stock then I'll put it back together and post pics
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Throw some cheese and pepperoni on it and you got...

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Whatever happened to "Brasso?"

Wow, I haven't seen that packaging in a long time. The last time I bought it it came in a brown plastic bottle. But it's still the same stuff and the best for polishing brass.
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Conversely, I've used Ketchup and Mustard to give my new made Colonial-era Reenactment Knives and iron gear some Patina
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