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on Monday afternoon before the stay I was told on the phone by someone at Trueshot that free shipping to California ended 1 Feb 2024.
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WE GET IT ALREADY!!

You would rather go without ammo, and cry about it online, than maintain inexpensive easy to obtain licenses with MANY benefits to a gun owner. LOL

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I suppose Kim Rhode could have done this instead, and never raised such a fuss.

She could just have given up her essential liberty, paid the fees, purchased safety and permission from tyrants, then ordered ammo to her doorstep whenever she wanted. She could have bought into the permitting process and licensing of her 2nd Amendment rights, renewed easily and painlessly, and lived happily ever after.

Until the next thing they take away from her, but made an exception if she purchased the protection of a permit or license to exercise a crucial civil right.

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The fireworks people work with the chp.we buy fireworks and switch them into a different car down the road. Three times now the car we picked up the fireworks in has been stopped and the usual we stopped you because you swerved over the yellow line excuse. Then the threat to hold you for hours . the look we get when they discover no fireworks on board is priceless.


You're either the unluckiest guy in the entire state, or you enjoy spreading FUD.
And why in the world would any fireworks sales stand work with the CHP?
What would a Nevada fireworks sales shack on the highway side have to gain, by squealing on their own customers? Seems like real tin-foil stuff there.
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WE GET IT ALREADY!!

You would rather go without ammo, and cry about it online, than maintain inexpensive easy to obtain licenses with MANY benefits to a gun owner. LOL
We get it already... you're a typical apathetic California leftist gun owner who would rather go without dignity and brag about that online, while groveling to license for your civil rights. The negligible ease you orgasm over to gather baubles and trinkets is more important to you than stoicism and standing for something in which one believes and for which one fights.

No matter how you pitch it, you look like the dobbering fool. "Inexpensive easy to obtain license" of your 2nd Amendment rights says it all. They tricked you into it by using your weakness of being fixated on 'price' - but you fail to see the cost.

I certainly don't go without ammo; I have means, which certainly pose a more inexpensive construct than the MANY costs of your license, which is not just about price. I don't need to worry about price. Yet, it's you paying a much greater price, certainly one that is not inexpensive, one in loss of character, and the purchase of infringement. You are penny wise and 'round' foolish.

In that regard, if measuring by volume alone, I guarantee I have more in inventory and reserve surplus at this very moment than the total amount of which you will ever hope to compile for the rest of your lifetime. Price never stood in my way. You do not have the means and fortifications I have. I know that without doubt. You admit to that as much a plenty, here on Calguns.

Certainly nobody is 'crying' about the situation, but we aren't in tears from fawning and gagging on tyrant dick as you are doing.

You claimed it was obstinate at one point. Well, maybe if California gun owners were more obstinate about their civil-rights, instead of your kneel and swallow approach, we wouldn't be in much of the situation we now see within California. But sure, acquiesce and capitulate, promote that path of 'least resistance' and bending over.

As for what you think are MANY 'benefits' - the FFL03/COE poses very minimal differences within California than without, when importance is weight - they are sparse and nominal cookies. It seems you are a naive tart that maybe doesn't recall historically the way things had been so to you it's all the same, but the specious difference makes you feel special, you build esteem on it - begotten out of the pride a Pavlov dog feels when rewarded for good behavior. Lap it up, heel your masters.

I am very well aware of the canard, the red-herring, of what you FEEL are 'MANY' benefits, and I the advantages are negligible paid-for perks - at the expense of dignity.

And that's the greatest benefit that you lost in the trade. You would rather have 'benefits' than rights. You would rather suck up to NeoSocialists than draw a line, wear that badge of passive, and pay a fee for a civil right rather than retain that dignity.

LOL indeed.

It bears repeating if you didn't understand the quote. It completely denotes your stance.

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I suppose Kim Rhode could have done this instead, and never raised such a fuss.

She could just have given up her essential liberty, paid the fees, purchased safety and permission from tyrants, then ordered ammo to her doorstep whenever she wanted. She could have bought into the permitting process and licensing of her 2nd Amendment rights, renewed easily and painlessly, and lived happily ever after.

Until the next thing they take away from her, but made an exception if she purchased the protection of a permit or license to exercise a crucial civil right.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin.


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What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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I do not always agree with The Gleam on the topic of compliance with government-mandated schemes, but on this specific subject, I cannot believe anyone enjoys the FFL03 + COE system, let alone vigorously defends the regime.

What an utter mountain of toxic radioactive waste California has constructed. A law-abiding citizen must obtain a type of Federal Firearms License that clearly establishes non-prohibited person status, followed by a duplicate state Certificate of Eligibility that provides no additional compelling public interest purpose other than to leech revenue. As a reward for acquiring these documents, which most gun owners in free states have never even dreamed of needing, one barely receives any "benefits" whatsoever.

Does dutifully obtaining an FFL03 and COE exempt a California resident from the assault weapons ban? High-capacity magazine ban? 10-day waiting period? 1-in-30 restriction? Handgun roster? Sensitive places laws? Open carry ban? 11% firearms and ammunition excise tax?

No? The list of "benefits" appears thin indeed, as threadbare as the toilet paper installed in public bathrooms. If successfully applying for this set of licenses elevated the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms to the level ordinary civilians freely enjoy in 38 of 50 states, then we may begin discussing the value. As the situation stands, the system offers nothing that qualifies as anything other than a shameful insult.
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A license is a special grant of immunity, paid to the state for a fee, to do something that is otherwise illegal. I first read that years ago in a column that was written by none other than Col. Jeff Cooper. Not sure if he was the original author of that, but it is a very important concept to understand.
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WE GET IT ALREADY!!

You would rather go without ammo, and cry about it online, than maintain inexpensive easy to obtain licenses with MANY benefits to a gun owner. LOL
Is there a point at which you would finally say ENOUGH ALREADY to government demands for licensing as those demands encroach further into everyday life?
How about a state-mandated license to pump your own gasoline, being that it is a highly flammable substance, is toxic and likely cancerous? A special license for running a small generator when camping, power outages, etc? A public street parking license in lieu of paying parking meters? A shooters license to transport firearms or use them at any range, public or privately owned? A ammunition license to keep and possess more than 100 rounds of any type?
I am sure the government will count those as being MANY benefits also.

One does not have to go without ammunition. Currently the government makes that difficult, but to those who are resourceful and determined, it can be done. And it can be done without the knowledge of California.
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Guys... the point is, if you want/need ammo, you don't really have a choice. So you can either whine and moan about it and still not have any ammo, or get the 03FFL/COE, have ammo, and you can STILL whine/moan about it all you want. The two are not mutually exclusive. If you don't live within reasonable travel distance to another state where you can buy ammo, what else are you gonna do?

And even still, you can't always find the specific ammo you need, in the quantities you need, at a local store in some neighboring town/city/state. Buying online and having it shipped is the best way to do it for many people.

If you're here bragging about how rich you are and about how much ammo you have stockpiled so you're good to go, while at the same time disparaging people who don't, and who have no other choice but to get an 03FFL/COE, you're ALSO a special kind of a-hole.

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We get it already... you're a typical apathetic California leftist gun owner who would rather go without dignity and brag about that online, while groveling to license for your civil rights. The negligible ease you orgasm over to gather baubles and trinkets is more important to you than stoicism and standing for something in which one believes and for which one fights.

No matter how you pitch it, you look like the dobbering fool. "Inexpensive easy to obtain license" of your 2nd Amendment rights says it all. They tricked you into it by using your weakness of being fixated on 'price' - but you fail to see the cost.

I certainly don't go without ammo; I have means, which certainly pose a more inexpensive construct than the MANY costs of your license, which is not just about price. I don't need to worry about price. Yet, it's you paying a much greater price, certainly one that is not inexpensive, one in loss of character, and the purchase of infringement. You are penny wise and 'round' foolish.

In that regard, if measuring by volume alone, I guarantee I have more in inventory and reserve surplus at this very moment than the total amount of which you will ever hope to compile for the rest of your lifetime. Price never stood in my way. You do not have the means and fortifications I have. I know that without doubt. You admit to that as much a plenty, here on Calguns.

Certainly nobody is 'crying' about the situation, but we aren't in tears from fawning and gagging on tyrant dick as you are doing.

You claimed it was obstinate at one point. Well, maybe if California gun owners were more obstinate about their civil-rights, instead of your kneel and swallow approach, we wouldn't be in much of the situation we now see within California. But sure, acquiesce and capitulate, promote that path of 'least resistance' and bending over.

As for what you think are MANY 'benefits' - the FFL03/COE poses very minimal differences within California than without, when importance is weight - they are sparse and nominal cookies. It seems you are a naive tart that maybe doesn't recall historically the way things had been so to you it's all the same, but the specious difference makes you feel special, you build esteem on it - begotten out of the pride a Pavlov dog feels when rewarded for good behavior. Lap it up, heel your masters.

I am very well aware of the canard, the red-herring, of what you FEEL are 'MANY' benefits, and I the advantages are negligible paid-for perks - at the expense of dignity.

And that's the greatest benefit that you lost in the trade. You would rather have 'benefits' than rights. You would rather suck up to NeoSocialists than draw a line, wear that badge of passive, and pay a fee for a civil right rather than retain that dignity.

LOL indeed.

It bears repeating if you didn't understand the quote. It completely denotes your stance.




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I'd like to know how consistent your value system is.

Have you legally purchased a firearm in California within the last 107 years? That is when the DROS system first started (1917). Or I'll make it easier and ask if you've purchased a firearm in California since 2011, which is when the 10-day waiting period was first implemented.

If you have, then you're a hypocrite. After all, that's an example of you "going without dignity... and groveling for your civil rights," as you so eloquently put it. If you had any real convictions and a consistent system of values, you wouldn't purchase a firearm. Period. Because if you had to jump through ANY hoops to exercise a constitutionally protected right, you would stick to your guns, so to speak. Right?

No?

That's because you might be picking and choosing where to draw the line.

How can you disparage someone for reluctantly getting an 03FFL/COE so they can order ammo online, while at the SAME TIME you are willing to jump through hoops like DROS, 10-day wait, fees, taxes, forms, background checks, and so on... just to buy a firearm in the first place?

Or maybe you don't. Maybe you bought all your firearms 108 years ago? Or maybe you don't live in California? Or maybe you get your guns illegally? So what's the deal?
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I think those of us who jumped through the hoops and costs of obtaining a CCW license should be exempt from the ammo background check and ordering ammo from out of state and having shipped to our door.

I have considered getting the 03 FFL/COE, but I just can't consent to jumping through even more hoops and initial and renewal costs for something I should have the right to do.

I feel similarly to having to hassle with a CCW and all the other infringements, but until we win, I'll have to live with it while contributing to orgs that fight the fight on my (our) behalf.
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Or I'll make it easier and ask if you've purchased a firearm in California since 2011, which is when the 10-day waiting period was first implemented.
Just to clarify, prior to Californias 10-day wait, it was 15 days. And it has actually fluctuated in the exact number of days prior to that as well.
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It doesn't matter if it's 2A or other amendments. As soon as laws are passed that are borderline unconstitutional, then a slew of more egregious laws are passed shortly after that at best take years or decades to repeal. It's always best to kill the first infringing bill no matter how innocuous it seems. Even more important, these "no big deal" bills may look like so in the plain text, but to a trained legal eye, these bills always have undefined terms like "Assault Weapon" that gives the government the power to do whatever it wants without putting the changes up for public vote.

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We get it already... you're a typical apathetic California leftist gun owner who would rather go without dignity and brag about that online, while groveling to license for your civil rights. The negligible ease you orgasm over to gather baubles and trinkets is more important to you than stoicism and standing for something in which one believes and for which one fights.

No matter how you pitch it, you look like the dobbering fool. "Inexpensive easy to obtain license" of your 2nd Amendment rights says it all. They tricked you into it by using your weakness of being fixated on 'price' - but you fail to see the cost.

I certainly don't go without ammo; I have means, which certainly pose a more inexpensive construct than the MANY costs of your license, which is not just about price. I don't need to worry about price. Yet, it's you paying a much greater price, certainly one that is not inexpensive, one in loss of character, and the purchase of infringement. You are penny wise and 'round' foolish.

In that regard, if measuring by volume alone, I guarantee I have more in inventory and reserve surplus at this very moment than the total amount of which you will ever hope to compile for the rest of your lifetime. Price never stood in my way. You do not have the means and fortifications I have. I know that without doubt. You admit to that as much a plenty, here on Calguns.

Certainly nobody is 'crying' about the situation, but we aren't in tears from fawning and gagging on tyrant dick as you are doing.

You claimed it was obstinate at one point. Well, maybe if California gun owners were more obstinate about their civil-rights, instead of your kneel and swallow approach, we wouldn't be in much of the situation we now see within California. But sure, acquiesce and capitulate, promote that path of 'least resistance' and bending over.

As for what you think are MANY 'benefits' - the FFL03/COE poses very minimal differences within California than without, when importance is weight - they are sparse and nominal cookies. It seems you are a naive tart that maybe doesn't recall historically the way things had been so to you it's all the same, but the specious difference makes you feel special, you build esteem on it - begotten out of the pride a Pavlov dog feels when rewarded for good behavior. Lap it up, heel your masters.

I am very well aware of the canard, the red-herring, of what you FEEL are 'MANY' benefits, and I the advantages are negligible paid-for perks - at the expense of dignity.

And that's the greatest benefit that you lost in the trade. You would rather have 'benefits' than rights. You would rather suck up to NeoSocialists than draw a line, wear that badge of passive, and pay a fee for a civil right rather than retain that dignity.

LOL indeed.

It bears repeating if you didn't understand the quote. It completely denotes your stance.

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Just to clarify, prior to Californias 10-day wait, it was 15 days. And it has actually fluctuated in the exact number of days prior to that as well.
Yes, a waiting period was first introduced in 1923. It was one day (24 hours). Since then it has fluctuated in duration. My point still stands. If somebody is seemingly ok with jumping through that hoop, and all the other hoops that currently exist, to purchase a firearm in the first place, then it's inconsistent with them ranting AT another gun owner for getting an 03FFL so they can purchase ammo, and telling that person they're "groveling for their rights".

I agree that an 03FFL/COE shouldn't be seen as coming with "benefits". But unfortunately it's the only exemption currently in place for most CA residents. The other option is breaking the law (going out of state) or buying locally from a brick-and-mortar and getting price gouged... if you can even find what you're looking for in the first place.

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^^^^Ranting AT other gun owners does not seem to accomplish much, as is obvious. My comments are usually directed at laws, politicians, the appellate industry, judges, etc. While I abhor all these laws, to follow them or not is ultimately up to the individual. However I do often question our own, but will not berate or belittle, as I am not in their particular position. I have the ability to travel for ammunition if I had to, others may not have that luxury. I also encourage others to skirt this ammunition law in whatever fashion they may, as I believe it to be unconstitutional as has already been found to be twice.
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Do you prefer dry???

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Its fun to take digs at each other...Newsom, Bonta, Biden, et. al love that.

Get a COE/C&R or not, that's up to you. BUT we are all on the same side, I hope.

Gents, let's send some money to CRPA, GOA, GOC FPC, or whatever organization you want that is trying to make the fight. The court decisions lately haven't been all bad. These groups can't exist without our support.

It only costs a couple of boxes of ammo, no matter how you acquire it.
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Its fun to take digs at each other...Newsom, Bonta, Biden, et. al love that.

Get a COE/C&R or not, that's up to you. BUT we are all on the same side, I hope.

Gents, let's send some money to CRPA, GOA, GOC FPC, or whatever organization you want that is trying to make the fight. The court decisions lately haven't been all bad. These groups can't exist without our support.

It only costs a couple of boxes of ammo, no matter how you acquire it.
Does that include the ammo I lost in a boating accident a year or two ago? GOA member here. I would rejoin CRPA if they would include me as a plaintiff in CRPA v LACSD. My CA CCW expired only because I moved to Idaho.
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Its fun to take digs at each other...Newsom, Bonta, Biden, et. al love that.

Get a COE/C&R or not, that's up to you. BUT we are all on the same side, I hope.

Gents, let's send some money to CRPA, GOA, GOC FPC, or whatever organization you want that is trying to make the fight. The court decisions lately haven't been all bad. These groups can't exist without our support.

It only costs a couple of boxes of ammo, no matter how you acquire it.
Certainly, I presume everyone here would like the ammunition background check law to get permanently enjoined. People simply harbor conflicting strong feelings about obtaining special licenses in the meantime.
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It pisses patriots off when armed dildos make them get permit permission to live and breath free air.
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It pisses patriots off when armed dildos make them get permit permission to live and breath free air.
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WE GET IT ALREADY!!

You would rather go without ammo, and cry about it online, than maintain inexpensive easy to obtain licenses with MANY benefits to a gun owner. LOL
When one has to have a license to exercise and enumerated right it becomes a privilege to be take away by the state. California is a state that would gladly take that away.
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Or I'll make it easier and ask if you've purchased a firearm in California since 2011, which is when the 10-day waiting period was first implemented.
Incorrect. The ten day wait goes back to 1997. I have been purchasing firearms in this lame state for over 30 years and have always waited 15 days at first and it dropped to 10 days some years later.

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Just to clarify, prior to Californias 10-day wait, it was 15 days. And it has actually fluctuated in the exact number of days prior to that as well.
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Actually beginning with one day for handguns in 1923, the California Legislature increased the handgun waiting period from one to three days in 1955, to five days in 1965, and to 15 days in 1975. (See a critical article on waiting periods by Clayton Cramer.) The current wait is 10 days from AB 671, effective April 1, 1997.

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California has also had a waiting period for handgun sales since at least 1923. The California Legislature increased the handgun waiting period from one to three days in 1955, to five days in 1965, and to the current 15 days in 1975. [2] Figure 1, "California Handgun Waiting Periods & Murder Rates" plots the murder rate per 100,000 Californians during the period 1952 through 1990. [3] (The use of a murder *rate*, which counts murders relative to the size of the population, eliminates changes in the number of murders caused by changes in the number of people living in California.)

The increase from one to three days in 1955, and from three to five days in 1965, had no apparent effect on rising murder rates. Indeed, the California murder rate went from a bit above 2/100,000 people in 1952, to over 10/100,000 by 1975. While it is certainly true that murder rates rose throughout the United States during this period, as Figure 1 shows, California's murder rate rose *even faster* than the murder rate for the rest of the United States.

The first full year of the fifteen day waiting period, 1976, showed a 1% decline in murder rates - followed by continually rising murder rates, peaking in 1980. In fact, murder rates didn't start to decline until 1981, five full years after the new waiting period took effect. Can the advocates of waiting periods take heart from the fact that California's murder rates *eventually* fell?
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.waiting.html

So, here's a summary.
1923-1955, 1 day waiting period.
1955-1975, 3 day waiting period
1975-1997, 15 day waiting period
1997-Present, 10 day waiting period (dropped to 10 days with the addition of NICS)

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http://leginfo.ca.gov/pub/95-96/bill..._asm_comm.html

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Under current law:

1) Every firearms dealer is required to keep a register in which
certain information is to be entered pursuant to specified
procedures. A violation of these provisions is a misdemeanor.
Existing law requires the dealer to submit to the Department of
Justice (DOJ) two copies of the original sheet of the register by
placing the copies in the mail, postage prepaid, and properly
addressed to DOJ in Sacramento. (Penal Code Sections 12073,
12074, 12076(a), and 12077.)


(2) Existing law requires a 15-day waiting period before the
delivery of a firearm in California. This waiting period will be
reduced to 10 days on January 1, 1996 by operation of law. (Penal
Code Sections 12072(c)(1) and 12072(1).)
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The fireworks people work with the chp.we buy fireworks and switch them into a different car down the road. Three times now the car we picked up the fireworks in has been stopped and the usual we stopped you because you swerved over the yellow line excuse. Then the threat to hold you for hours . the look we get when they discover no fireworks on board is priceless.
It?s not the CHP and the firework venders working together, it?s CDF and the CHP working together. CDF conducts the under cover surveillances at the fireworks stores, looking for California license plates. When the cars travel back in to California CHP stops the vehicle, seizing the fireworks and arresting people in the car.
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The fireworks people work with the chp.we buy fireworks and switch them into a different car down the road. Three times now the car we picked up the fireworks in has been stopped and the usual we stopped you because you swerved over the yellow line excuse. Then the threat to hold you for hours . the look we get when they discover no fireworks on board is priceless.
I wonder how that will work with the police having to tell you why they pulled you over. Not asking "Do you know why I (LE) pulled you over?.
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I wonder how that will work with the police having to tell you why they pulled you over. Not asking "Do you know why I (LE) pulled you over?.
I was told this by a CDF captain who was in CDF?s investigation unit when a group of us were talking about fireworks stands up in Pahrump. He told us about the surveillances. I never asked him any questions about what took place after the stop. I did warned my boys and their friends about this and to never bring fireworks into the state.
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I was told this by a CDF captain who was in CDF?s investigation unit when a group of us were talking about fireworks stands up in Pahrump. He told us about the surveillances. I never asked him any questions about what took place after the stop. I did warned my boys and their friends about this and to never bring fireworks into the state.
We know that the law is ineffective anyway. Just look at the 4th of July all the fireworks that are illegal here are in California anyway.


I find it actually rather authoritarian that the state follows people around out of state. Talk about statism at it's best.
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I agree, I think their operation is a dog and pony show.
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Ordered on 2/1 from Super Vel out of Henderson NV and got an email today that it shipped. Glad they honored my order. Now to see if it actually shows up.

Super Vel came through. It was nice to get the shipping notification from UPS and actually have it arrive on my doorstep. Reminded me of the good old days.
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It doesn't matter if it's 2A or other amendments. As soon as laws are passed that are borderline unconstitutional, then a slew of more egregious laws are passed shortly after that at best take years or decades to repeal. It's always best to kill the first infringing bill no matter how innocuous it seems. Even more important, these "no big deal" bills may look like so in the plain text, but to a trained legal eye, these bills always have undefined terms like "Assault Weapon" that gives the government the power to do whatever it wants without putting the changes up for public vote.

This isn't conspiracy theory, it is how politics and the law work.
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Ok, box arrived. It appeared to have been slashed open on one end (likely for inspection as it was a very strange place to "tear"), but everything appears intact otherwise.
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Nothing appears to be missing, likely thanks to Velocity's tendency to saran wrap smaller ammo boxes together. That made the mass too large to fall out through the rather gaping hole in the top/side of the box.

If we get our right to order online back in the future, I'd strongly recommend this vendor.
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Ok, box arrived. It appeared to have been slashed open on one end (likely for inspection as it was a very strange place to "tear"), but everything appears intact otherwise.
I wonder who would be inspecting that..
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