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Old 10-21-2019, 2:04 PM
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NRA Board Member and head of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Tom King, speaking out against our ability to legally make firearms for our personal collections and use. I think the bare minimum when you are paid to be a gun rights leader is to not come out in favor of gun control.


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The head of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association said the sale of ghost guns is a growing problem.

“These '80 percent' guns are providing a way for prohibited people to buy a firearm,” Tom King of the NYSRPA said, referring to people who don’t have a gun permit or are otherwise prohibited from possessing a gun.

He said self-assembled guns provide a way for competition shooters to make a custom-fitted firearm. Such weapons should have serial numbers and be registered — and any new legislation should consider such a provision, he said. But it appears increasingly, King said, people trying to evade the law are the ones buying and selling self-assembled weapons.

“It appears what was meant to be something for competitive shooters and serious shooters to build their own unique firearm may be turning into a criminal enterprise,” King said.


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Intended to produce custom competition firearms? What planet did he come from? Home made firearms have a history older than this country. Moreover, not every state has a registration law, unlike NY and California. Last but not least, the serialization law applies ONLY to manufacturers, not home builders who do not build with the intent to resell, and that has been abundantly clear from the very beginning.

So what he is really saying is that unless you are an elitist shooter with big bucks, all transactions in firearms should occur through an FFL. Yes, there is a "loophole" in the law, but it isn't as if these felons are obtaining their firearms legally--if they are prohibited, possession of a firearm, no matter how that person got it, is a crime. Another one of these idiots who think that making guns illegaler will solve a problem that has nothing to do with guns. to make matters worse, he completely ignores the FBI statistics demonstrating that the number of persons killed with rifles of any kind is small, the number shot with ARs smaller, and the number shot with home builds likely smaller than that.
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So, does the NRA even want to exist any longer?
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is this the same NRA that is seeming to demand that every gun owner become a member and donate money while making the above statement through a New York Board member? This is not doing the NRA any benefit when it comes to winning over the estimated 95,000,000 owners who are not members. This is giving our enemies in the anti-gun camp something to smile about when Tom King starts talking like this.

we need to encourage our custom gun makers to improve the sport and create more gunsmiths with new ideas for the sport.
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Owning a firearm is providing a way for prohibited persons to steal them from you.


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NRA Board Member and head of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Tom King, speaking out against our ability to legally make firearms for our personal collections and use. I think the bare minimum when you are paid to be a gun rights leader is to not come out in favor of gun control.
You have a very low bar there wolfwood.

This individual has no spine. no sense of worth. no code for sure and no honor.
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This may not have anything to add to the conversation but:

Eight years ago I wanted to attend an 1911 workshop, (out of state) and custom build a pistol. I was all set to send in my deposit when the people emailed me back saying that I'm more then welcome to attend and build a custom 1911 but I can't bring it back into Kalifornia.
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I've been seriously considering abandoning all financial support of the NRA. Bullsh** like this is exactly why. Background checks and serialization should not be required by any law. No free individual should need to ask Big Brother for permission to own tools for self-defense.
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I've been seriously considering abandoning all financial support of the NRA. Bullsh** like this is exactly why. Background checks and serialization should not be required by any law. No free individual should need to ask Big Brother for permission to own tools for self-defense.
I'll bet that about half of gunowners in CA, NY, MA, NJ and such, unfortunately, feel the same way as this fellow.

Maybe I've been watching the anti-gunners for too long, since about 1972 or so. But I wish gunowners would finally understand that anti-gunners will never stop. That whatever they say to the contrary, they don't want anyone to have any guns at all.
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^ "finally understand that anti-gunners will never stop"


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When they come for his fancy shotgun maybe I'll pay him back and vote for it. What a jackass.
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...Background checks and serialization should not be required by any law. No free individual should need to ask Big Brother for permission to own tools for self-defense.
Be careful how you phrase that.

Wayne LaPierre 1999

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...So, let's talk about what's reasonable and what's not. We think it's reasonable to provide mandatory, instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone. That means closing the Hinckley loophole so the records of those adjudicated mentally ill are in the system... I've repeatedly emphasized that this administration must stop illegally keeping records of lawful gun buyers...
It's not the background checks, per se, which are the problem. It's how they are used or will be utilized. Unfortunately, as Senator Grassley has pointed out, laws can be altered and, depending on who is in power...

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Traitor and typical Country Club Trap Shooting Type that looks down on AR owners because he has multiple $10,000+ Shotguns and probably lives in a gated community with a bunch of other snobby Libtard Elitists!
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"It was taken out of context" backpedal.
At any rate, He's done. Maybe he and Zumbo can get together to whine about being misunderstood.
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Felons building guns is already a felony. Maybe prosecuting them might help?
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get the ****ing babyboomer FUDS out of the NRA BOARD! "tHe 2a PrOteCtS mAh ShOtGuN bUt No OnE nEeDs A sEmI aUtO!"
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Make 0% lowers here without a background check and at the click of your mouse:

https://www.metalsdepot.com/
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https://www.americanmachinetools.com...ng_machine.htm

Absolutely ridiculous legislation that is the definition of slippery slope. Heck, even the ATF knows lowers aren't firearms!
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Which master does he serve by taking this position?
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I will vote against Tom King next time he is up for NRA board member. That said he is one guy on the board and this is NOT the NRA position.
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That said he is one guy on the board and this is NOT the NRA position.
It doesn't matter. All board members either work for the benefit of the organization, or they don't.
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Not gonna vote for this azzhat.
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Probably just PR to make the NRA look even more moderate...

But yeah also if you are building your own firearms you aren't supporting the for profit 2a industry that the NRA is the marketing engine for

That said we would most likely be in a worse situation without the NRA, there would be even MORE compromises than what we can say have already been made and are against so it's on members to clean house, to shake the foundations and let it be known
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I agree lightstrider in that we cannot afford to have the NRA go away at the moment. But the NRA needs to clean it's own house immediately from the ground up except you will have rabid NRA members scream about 2A welfare gun owners and calling anyone who is not a member scum deflecting attention away from what is wrong and needs to be addressed by the membership. The survival of 2A is unfortunately tied to the survival of the NRA while the rest of us get our act together and move against the politicians who would destroy us. Let's hope the member bounce people like King and start cleaning house without too much name calling.
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Wow... F that noise

Time to vote someone off the board
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so, criminals take advantage of the law to commit a crime. So we should ban it. Why don't you mandate no selling booze to consume on premesis (bars/restaurants), after all some people will break the law and drink and drive. That makes sense.
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Just sent off an email to the NRA board to ask if this is their stance and do they support his comments.

We'll see if / when they respond.....

With all of the dirt being raised about the NRA - this could be an attempt by liberal media to discredit the NRA - or - it could be the NRA has shifted and it's time to vote with my wallet (somewhere else)

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while i think it would be nice to know the overall stand of the NRA on this statement it was not the NRA who made it but King while apparently acting in his official board capacity and not as a single member outside of his elected position. did he mean what he said and if so should be be on the board according to the members of that board and those that vote/against for him. if the NRA is backing him then go after all of them but if he is out there on his own then the fight is with him and not the NRA. Am I wrong?

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When are the board member elections and is he up for vote . If I remember right only a third of them are up for a vote each year. I'll bet ja308 could help with this info. Thanks in advance.
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The NRA is a marksmanship and industry lobbying organization, NOT a gun rights organization.
The NRA begs to disagree...

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And many if not all leadership are there to promote marksmanship, gun ownership, competitive shooting sports, and lobbying for the industry and for laws that keeps guns in the hands of "the right people" and protect the industry.
Not according to their FAQ; i.e., what you cite as the primary purpose is listed as "in addition" by the NRA itself.

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To join the NRA thinking it's a gun rights organization - and then to whine when individuals in the leadership speak - is just flat out illogical.
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Wasn't founded as a gun rights org, and is famous for some of the biggest control acts pushed through Congress and here in California. And of course, has tried repeatedly to push the "open carry may be banned in favor of concealed carry" argument in its legal action.
True.

But, doesn't being involved in helping create/draft some of "the biggest [gun] control acts" suggest a civil rights role going back, at least, as far as the 1920's?

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It was founded as a marksmanship organization...that's its core mission.
It doesn't seem that the NRA views that as its 'core' or 'primary' mission anymore. The fact is that changed somewhere between about 1977 and 1986. Today, they specifically state they are a civil rights, not a 'marksmanship,' organization.

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And that's exactly what I support the NRA for . . . marksmanship / training.
There's nothing wrong with supporting the NRA on that basis.

What you can't claim, and haven't been able to claim for the last 3 or 4 decades, is that the NRA is NOT a 'gun rights' or 'civil rights' organization. They have an entire branch (the NRA-ILA) dedicated to such. The organization openly promotes itself as the oldest civil rights organization, where they promote 'gun rights;' thus, overtly disagreeing with you.

What you can say is that you, personally, disagree with that agenda and wish to see them revert to their roots.

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What you can't claim, and haven't been able to claim for the last 3 or 4 decades, is that the NRA is NOT a 'gun rights' or 'civil rights' organization. They have an entire branch (the NRA-ILA) dedicated to such. The organization openly promotes itself as the oldest civil rights organization, where they promote 'gun rights;' thus, overtly disagreeing with you.
^^^^^ CORRECT ^^^^^

Been that way since 1977.

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After Mr. la Pierre’s taste in clothing and propensity to let the members pay, the attempt to let Ackerman-McQueen buy him a country club residence complete with a membership, the weirdness around the loss of Chris Cox and others in positions of leadership, and the sudden bailing of members of the board I had some concerns. The crickets I got in response to an email outlining the above and asking why I should still support the NRA made the decision much easier. This only confirms that I have made the right choice. Until there is real change in leadership at the NRA, the SAF is getting what I would send to the NRA as well as what I normally send them.

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