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SCOTUS composition watch
We in "anti 2nd A" territory (7 states and Wash DC -- ~27% of the US pop.), can't get any political relief.
Peruta demonstrated (and the dissents from denials in various RKBA cases indicated) we won't get any significant judicial relief either (other than maybe another Caetano), at least not until the composition of SCOTUS swings clearly and decisively to our side. That being the case, having one thread devoted to SCOTUS' composition -- rumors, news and speculation -- is better than having various threads scattered around CGN and, frankly, makes more sense than another thread on any particular 2nd A litigation. (Actually, it is the ONLY thread in the Litigation forum that ultimately matters.) I started this thread in the 2nd A Litigation forum since "winning" SCOTUS is a condition precedent to winning any of our RKBA back. Plus, the folks who visit here will more likely care about it more than the folks visiting OT (and it will be more easily found here than in OT by those who care). With that, I shall proceed ... ***** I wish I could start this thread with good news, but ... Quote:
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For those who won't be able to attend, audio and the transcript of oral arguments will eventually be posted the SCOTUS website. Quote:
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On one hand I'm sure he'd love to retire. Hes been there a long time and still has a good bit of retirement time left. On the other hand, being the swing vote hes the most powerful person on the court. Power is hard to give up.
I heard a morning show predict 8 months for his retirement this morning. Not sure I believe it. I think we'll see RBG leave the court before Kennedy. |
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I'll go with 'let's have one thread', but since SCOTUS is a national issue, moved to National.
National is also less focused on explicit instances of litigation.
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I doubt Kennedy would higher them knowing he'd then fire them when he retires.
It's crucial we keep the senate at the midterms. I'm fairly confident Trump will get 2 appointees by the time he loses re election. |
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Yawn on the Kennedy "news". It was made clear when the rumors of his retirement first started that they were BS.
The stats are clear: Trump needs another term for us to end up on the "probably will" side of getting another appointee. Failing that next term, we have to get lucky, and very soon, because if we lose the Senate in the mid-terms, the value of Trump getting the appointment is dramatically reduced, if not eliminated.
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They usually don't fire the law clerks. Other justices take the orphans. Kennedy took Gorsuch when White retired. And besides, being a law clerk for a SCOTUS justice for a month is better for a lawyer than not being one at all. If they get fired, they begin working at their large firm for $250k the next week.
I don't know that Kennedy is the problem on RKBA cases. We didn't even get Alito on the Peruta dissent from denial. |
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Someone in another thread was saying that several of the last Presidents got 2 nominations, even Bush Sr. did. So Trump should get at least one more nomination. However, It may not be to replace Kennedy or Ginsburg tho, it could be replacing another judge for non-retirement reasons.
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Figure we have slightly less than one year for Ginsberg and Kennedy to vacate. I have no confidence the GOP will maintain its razor thin majority in the Senate. I think they may have lost voters with the crumbs to the citizens tax cut.
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The good news is the D's have a LOT of Senate seats to defend in States Trump won.
The tax bill and the rebounding economy are HUGE factors. And the D's totally unprincipled refusal to recognize most Americans will benefit only makes them look hypocritical to independents. If we get the RIGHT vacancy on SCOTUS and reciprocity moves in the Senate, 2018 could be a VERY good year for the nation.
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Wait, Sotomayor hunts? Whodathunk she'd be into outdoor sports. We should introduced her to that guy in Pennsylvania and they could go hunting together.
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This thread is about SCOTUS members and their possible replacements, not Trump's/GOP's tax overhaul or the state of the economy. Let's keep this thread on topic.
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ETA - if you want to talk about taxes, kindly start your own thread in OT.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...be-bigger.html The article goes on to talk about possible SCOTUS nominees, about rumors of Kennedy or Ginsburg retiring (nothing substantial), but I didn't want to quote too much. Plus, the federal appeals courts, as we've most painfully seen in Peruta, do decide many issues (for the time being), and are the usual, but not exclusive, "feeders" for SCOTUS justices.
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Rolex's are great! (I wear one.) We should all chip in and buy Ginsberg a solid gold one engraved with the date of her retirement. 1-1-2018 sound good?
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Where do we sign up? I have no doubt that she could get one for each wrist from those of us on CalGuns if she would commit to leaving in the next year.
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Hopefully that old battle axe flys off from the handle soon, what a crusty old *****, the last piece of a pathetic Carter presidency.
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The general consensus is Ginsburg held out through Obama hoping to let Hillary be the first female President to make a SCOTUS appointment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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A while ago I was hoping Ginsburg would retire. I later discovered there is very very little chance that she will retire, even if she is really ill and can't do the job.
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They have to carry her out in a box. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Termite infested wood, bad mitering, rusty nails and all.
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That’s the Calgunner spirit, always willing to help. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Here is one from three days ago..... The comments show what idiots the peeps on the left are.
http://www.newsweek.com/ruth-bader-g...ate-law-771826
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And lets get this sucker reinforced with rebar real good.....! Dont want her deciding to come back.
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Playing "Chicken on SCOTUS.
From the "Lefties" point of view, RBG should have retired, the Republican Senate probably would have let Obama get a replacement.
Of course she is only going to leave when she is "good and ready". Now the game is who will last longer, her or Trump? Trump isn't going to get impeached. I believe Trump will win re election in 2020 if he wants to run again. People ultimately will vote on his record, not his "tweets". The issue for Gingsburg will come down to can she survive on the SCOTUS till she is 91. While everyone's eyes are on both Justices Gingsburg and Kennedy, many people are not paying attention to Justices Breyer and Sotomayor. Justice Breyer is 79, the average male life expectancy in the US is 78. Yes he is healthy, but does he have 6 years left? Sotomayor is a type 1 diabetic, that cuts her expectant life expectancy down from 81 down to 68. Right now she is 63. Highly unlikely she has 20 years, if she lives average life expectancy, she has 6 years. Of course her risks of strokes are 4x higher than general population, she could become medically unfit and have to step down. As frustrating as it is to see the SCOTUS not taking 2 amendment cases, when one or more of the above Justices is replaced, I hope that when the court does rule, they will make broad rulings that will effectively undo many of the "wrong readings" IMHO from the lower courts. In the meantime there will be growing pressure on the Congress/Senate to pass some kind of Federal Gun Civil Rights Act. Unlike President Bush, President Trump is very vocal on 2nd amendment support and the more the MSM attacks him, the more he comes over to us because we are the ones showing him "Love". |
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I don't think it makes sense to apply average life expectancy to these justices. They seems to typically live longer than average, and I'm sure they have extremely good health care. Although, they don't seem to take the greatest care of themselves..
They typically live till their 80's, Scalia was 79, but one month short of his 80th birthday. |
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Saw an article over the weekend about Sotomayor and how she had a close call on Friday morning. Paramedics were called to her home. Sotomayor's blood sugar level is tightly controlled according to the article and if it gets too low she only has about 15 minutes to get it corrected. What I found most interesting was how the article went into great detail about how all of her staff and clerks receive training on how to spot when her blood sugar is falling and what to do. The article then went on and on about how she is just fine and back to work. Sounds to me that at any given time Sotomayor is only 15 minutes away from cashing it in.
If she or one of the other liberals passes away I wonder if Kennedy would announce his retirement because with another conservative justice being appointed to the court he would no longer be the powerful swing vote to direct decisions the way he would like them to go. |
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Not contributing here right now, but wanted to say this an awesome thread and I look forward to catching up on my SCOTUS news here as it applies to the 2nd.
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Don't get me wrong - i want her gone as bad as anyone but impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanors - not for health.
She gets to decide if she can fulfill her job or not. At least until they amend COTUS (e.g. like 25A for Presidential infirmity)
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Sure, it's possible, and people do - but most of the time those are from either secondary causes (passing out while driving) or collapsing unobserved and not receiving attention for considerable time. It's generally not debilitating and is pretty easy to manage. I worked with a guy who had it, and he said if he was found passed out, give him some regular soda and call the ambulance. In 5 years of working with the guy it never came to that.
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