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Potential threat to Veterans second amendment
It would appear that after 9/30/19 VA medical records will be shared without permission with private providers and i assume with government agencies and that could create a real mess under red flag laws. Please review the link and comment. If this is happening then the VA needs to be held accountable. I personally dropped out of the VA system in 1970 but other vets were not so lucky. Now your medical (physical and mental) records could be used against you without your consent.
https://www.disabledveterans.org/201...thout-consent/ Last edited by warbird; 09-27-2019 at 9:12 AM.. |
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that same question is asked inside the article and the VA is not responding apparently. After 9/30/19 the records will be on public review/request and once the information is out nothing can be done to stop it. everything about this move if true stinks and takes control away from the veterans to control their own medical files. How do you prove you requested no release on the proper form not yet available over the weekend when most VA offices are closed. At 12:01 am Monday they can start releasing. No one is going to beat the impossible time frames to deny access. The big worry is any counseling or mental health treatment you received before and after discharge. How is this going to be used against you even if you have no problems now. Could your right to have weapons be revoked automatically by some agency based on those records under red flag laws?
Last edited by big red; 09-27-2019 at 9:20 AM.. |
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Don't you know? It's all about public safety and "for the children".
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What they are doing is CYA for what hasn't been happening. As an example, take the Odessa shooter.
Police raised concerns about gunman 8 years before shooting Quote:
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So... Uh... How exactly do those two 'checks' stop him from purchasing a firearm from a seller already ignoring the laws regarding sellers? Why weren't police already aware that he had a firearm in the two years he possessed it? Just like the several other shooters, including another one in Texas and the Parkland Shooter, the system failed to do its job, so we need to pass more laws infringing on the rights of citizens to show the system is 'doing something.' Remember, even though the new laws won't guarantee any better compliance or efficiency by the system or a greater level of success in preventing such shootings, it will create a new class of individuals which the system can more easily get at, for a time, and the headlines will scream that the 'new' system is working and we need more rights violations to 'perfect' it. (Ex.: UBC isn't working because we need registration of all firearms for it and other strategies to actually work.) Veterans have been one of those 'easy to get at' groups for the Left when it comes to guns for awhile. Feinstein simply went public with it several years ago. It's no longer about whether the system is prevented from doing what many perceive as "its job" due to Constitutional and other legal protections. It's about how many infringements are Constitutional; so, the Left is going to throw 'everything' at the Wall and see what SCOTUS allows to stick. Oh, wait. Did I say "the Left?" Who was the sponsor of the VA MISSION Act? Quote:
Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 09-29-2019 at 1:28 PM.. |
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I have never used the VA for anything. I had multiple people tell me they received partial and even full disability for "unproveable" conditions, hearing loss, back pain, insomnia, PTSD etc. I'll bet the money who used the mental health issues, weather real or just to get benefits are going to be sorry.
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Interesting, may effect many law enforcement personnel.
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We will see how it plays out if someone does not file a lawsuit over this. Maybe i was under the mistaken impression when the feds did a background check they did both civilian and military or is it just civilian? does this mean private companies have more access to our private records than the legitimate government restricted by HIPPA? But now private companies have access and can use it against individuals without HIPPA constraints. it just seems grossly wrong because no mass shooters would have been uncovered so far. But a lot of innocent veterans could be under a microscope for no valid reason.
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Of course, I just see this. I work all day and cannot show up in person to hand deliver the letter required to opt out that is due today.
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Only if you've done squat and expect a handout. Anyone who served our nation should get quality medical and mental health care without delay or worry that it will some day be used to deny Rights...
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another federal promise broken to the men and women who were either willing to or did risk their lives for this country. Now it seems we are being sold out to private companies by a government that will not protect us like we protected it. the terrible part is some of these congressmen/women are vets and they let this happen so they can profit. The real traitors appear to be sitting on capitol hill. How about that impossible deadline they set?
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Military suicides are at all time highs ( https://www.military.com/daily-news/...-suicides.html ) and the suicide rate for veterans and active military is about 20 a day in the USA so obviously something is wrong and needs to be dealt with. Veteran and military combined suicide rates are about double the general population rate. Police officer suicide rates have also risen and are a little higher than the general population. That doesn't mean that every officer, soldier or veteran that ever talked one time or more with a psychologist or psychiatrist should have their guns taken away. These high suicide rates do mean that there is a problem that needs to be dealt with and with the stress associated with these officers and soldiers, that some have issues should not be a surprise. Likewise, every time there is a large public shooting of a number of people, we repeatedly hear that the warning signs were all there and why didn't someone do something. So we need to protect second amendment rights but we also have to face these high suicide rates and the fear some parents or friends and co-workers apparently have when faced with a person that has serious mental issues. I for one would like to hear solutions that gun owners have that could be proposed as an alternative to just seizing someone's guns since I believe that such a seizure just results in the person jumping off a bridge or using some other way to take their own life.
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No one could agree more but guns are not the cause of this issue. It is your congress voting along party line no matter who it hurts and someone is getting a big payday for allowing this access to restricted records with no evidence it will help the veteran. Will this access provide better care, easier access, more individual attention, etc. of course not and we all know it. I do not mean to be cruel to soldiers or police officers but they were never prepared by their parents to see the ugly sides of life and that side of life was going to become their life day in and day out. Now they need help rationalizing what they saw and had to do and exposing them to greedy corporate CEO's is not the answer. Make the VA regional and make make regions responsible for out reach and care. the high the rate of deaths and vets on the streets the faster managers and top dogs like regional director's get fired. We pay taxes to help the vets so let's make the government on all levels start responding in a positive manner. Temp housing, food, training, JOBS, medical care that is restricted records wise, and a repeal of this law.
Last edited by warbird; 09-30-2019 at 11:42 AM.. |
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I know quite a few guys I served with that went the PTSD route, no way I’d ever want that on my record. I’ve always wondered how long before they tried to use this against VETS. Especially since most are Republican.
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The records are not going to be made public, they are going to be shared with your private doctors who the VA is paying to treat you. The private doctors hired by the VA (in my experience) need your VA records anyway, so now instead of you signing permission they assume permission unless you opt out. You CAN opt out after September 30th.
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Like Milsurp1 said, VA is no longer, or never was, adhering to a Sep 30 opt out date. You can opt out any time.
https://www.blogs.va.gov/VAntage/667...ealth-records/ |
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As long as my fellow veterans and their rights are protected I have no issue and wish them the best in the future. My records from the 1960's are historical reading anyway but it is the younger generations that i worry about in today's world.
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The VA needs work, I go there for somethings but don't have much faith in them.
I just wish it was much more easy for GI's to work with the VA to get earned and deserved. medical help. And helluva a lot less easy for Illegal Aliens to get freebie benifit's. |
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