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Democrats frown on targeting gang databases with 'red flag' laws
"House Democrats this week advanced a new measure to encourage states to pass “red flag” laws, known as extreme risk protection orders, that authorize removing guns and ammunition from dangerous individuals.
Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee amended the measure during a Wednesday mark-up to authorize the federal government to issue extreme risk protection orders in some instances, but they rejected an amendment that would have red-flagged anyone who law enforcement lists as a gang member. “The majority of violent crime, including gun violence, in the United States is linked to gangs,” Rep. Ken Buck, a Colorado Republican who sponsored the amendment, said Wednesday. “My amendment is quite simple. It would allow the issuance of a red flag order against anyone whose name appears in a gang database if there was probable cause to include that individual in the database.” Democrats objected, with reasons that sounded very familiar to Republicans . . . " https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ajm0yTgBoE8Ni4 Commenter: "Holy Moley! So this means, that the street gangs who perpetrate so much gun violence, (like in Chiraq or Detroilet) would be exempt from any legislation on this subject??? Really???? "Gang bangers are a special demographic of gun owners that probably lean to the left so they will be exempted from gun laws to the extent it’s feasible. It’s predictable given that gun laws are intended by the Democrats to punish political opponents but really have nothing to do with public safety." "The street gangs (and Antifa) are the modern day Democrat KKK. The street gangs will terrorize the Republicans and bully them into shape to further the socialist agenda. The Republicans must (be robbed of their) ability to defend themselves in order for a true Dictatorship of Socialism to effectively govern the slave state." Last edited by CPRAFAN; 09-14-2019 at 9:24 AM.. |
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Well there you go. This is how the Senate can blow up every single gun control bill that comes out off the house. Amend it with something reasonable that the dems just cannot stomach. This actually shows that the d3ms don't give a **** about public safety.
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If "probable cause" is all it takes to eliminate your RKBA, be careful what you wish for.
My objection to these laws is all about their bypassing due process. Some on the right want to include people on "terrorism watch lists", too. |
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And then, there will be the social score list. |
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So that gives you a reason to "broadcast to all in the nation" that such Red Flag laws will and should be vetoed. And it should be told to the public Democrats had no plan to lower gun violence but confiscate from mainly law abiding citizens. The bills should be exposed as crap by the Democrats.
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Here lies the rub. These Red Flag laws are not intended for criminals, they are intended for the law-abiding.
Confiscation now, due process later? The 5th says that cannot happen here, but it does every day. We are so far off the reservation the Constitution seems like an old fiction novel. |
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I see this as the poison pill we need in any Red Flag law.
We just make sure it says anyone in a gang database within the last 10 years is not eligible to own a firearm. It sounds good to suburban moms, but the RATs will never let it pass. |
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Yeah, why not disarm gang members? Oh, that's right, because gun control has zero to do with crime, it is good when it targets white people, bad when it targets oppressed minorities.
All they need to do to cut the murder rate in half in this country is bring federal charges against every felon-in-possession case and gang-related straw purchase case. But that would mean locking up a lot of Democrats. Fundamentally, violent crime is overwhelmingly committed by Democratic voting blocs, which is what makes Democratic gun control proposals so bizarre. Why all this talk about AR15 features and mental health when you could fix the problem just by locking up felons and gang members who are caught with guns using existing laws? Because reasons.
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We just make sure it says anyone in a gang database within the last 10 years is not eligible to own a firearm. It sounds good to suburban moms, but the RATs will never let it pass.
FYI....The CA Demoncrats have decided that it is unconstitutional to keep a gang data base......Thought I would remind everyone of that. How convenient huh? |
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There is a good reason to not make street gangs subject to red flag laws !
It will be street gangs who will be the enforcement wing of democrat consfication laws. They have a command structure and a willingness to use violence in the furthering of obtaining booty! Think of them as land pirates with the democrat party auspices. Doing the job American LEOs would dread . |
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Its just Democrats using their old stand by "Systematic and Institutional Racism" nonsense. Gang members are victims of Society, therefore are excused. Poor things just can't help being violent and we should understand and sympathy for them, not more laws. You see what happened when more strict laws were passed in the 90's and the prisons filled with minorities? Red flag laws for gang members is racist!
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It is obvious why democrats do not want violent gang members put away for breaking several gun laws already on the books. As an aside one would think that all killing's in those cities, would prompt decent Americans to be armed for self defense . Sadly this logic flys over the top of nearly every democrat ! |
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