New semi-automatic handguns added to the handgun roster after Boland v. Bonta.

[Zenderfall]

Brace yourselves! Some popular Gen3 glocks are gonna get dropped very soon as new model guns get added. It's not an "if" but a "when". Two guns just got on roster? SIX guns gettin' gone soon!

-Sig P series, like 226 and 229 won't get dropped because those already have MDM and CLI and aren't subject to the drop effect.

-Lots of original guns like HK's, and Sig 239 are already gone from roster, so that list above is a little, if not a lot shorter now. Sig doesn't make the P239 anymore.

-Super high prices for Mark IV's are now a thing of the past. I remember a local LGS actually sold a Mark IV target for $2,000 recently.

-More guns are going to get on roster, so watch prices start falling!

[SkyHawk]

Originally Posted by Zenderfall

-More guns are going to get on roster, so watch prices start falling!

Nobody wants nanny-state centerfire's. Prices are going higher, not lower, as desirable free-state guns fall of the roster

[Steve G]

Originally Posted by Bullwinkle

FWIW: THANK YOU!!!

If three real guns get dropped from the Roster, then that will be just another reason for me to hate Ruger more than I already do. BTW: Anyone who thinks a Ruger Mark series pistol is worth $700 is mentally unfit to own a firearm (IMO).

I definitely think my MK IV Target was worth $800, ALL DAY! Maybe Im mentally unfit to own, maybe you’re just poor?? Make more money, do better

[Tarmy]

If this is all accurate then there must be some really pissed off anti gun types out there.

I may need to go Christmas shopping here fairly soon.

[SkyHawk]

Originally Posted by Tarmy

If this is all accurate then there must be some really pissed off anti gun types out there.

They are probably rejoicing, as all freemen guns are about to be replaced with nanny-state guns. Every color/finish variant, in every different barrel length, will knock three free-state guns off the roster

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by SkyHawk

They are probably rejoicing, as all freemen guns are about to be replaced with nanny-state guns. Every color/finish variant, in every different barrel length, will knock three free-state guns off the roster

Handguns added to the Roster via exemption [PC 32030] does not trigger the 1 for 3 removals [PC 21910(b)(7)].

[robledor]

How about we just drop all the Fudd talk. Not one gun will be dropped

[abinsinia]

Originally Posted by Quiet

Handguns added to the Roster via exemption [PC 32030] does not trigger the 1 for 3 removals [PC 21910(b)(7)].

The newly added firearms were not added thru PC 32030 exemption, they are not similar to other listings they are entirely new listings.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by abinsinia

The newly added firearms were not added thru PC 32030 exemption, they are not similar to other listings they are entirely new listings.

Skyhawk mentioned every color/finish variant being added would trigger the 1 for 3 removals, which is why I pointed out that handguns added via PC 32030 exemption does not trigger the 1 for 3 removals.

The PC 32030 exemption allows color/finish variants of on-Roster handguns to be added to the Roster.

What Ruger did was a standard submission via PC 32015(a).

That said...
Word is CA DOJ BOF may have internally ruled/decided that they will not implement the 1 for 3 removals, since its addition to the CA unsafe handgun laws was tied to the CA microstamping requirements, which were stayed by the Courts.

[Zenderfall]

Originally Posted by Quiet

That said...
Word is CA DOJ BOF may have internally ruled/decided that they will not implement the 1 for 3 removals, since its addition to the CA unsafe handgun laws was tied to the CA microstamping requirements, which were stayed by the Courts.

Yay!!!!!!!

[abinsinia]

Originally Posted by Quiet

Skyhawk mentioned every color/finish variant being added would trigger the 1 for 3 removals, which is why I pointed out that handguns added via PC 32030 exemption does not trigger the 1 for 3 removals.

The PC 32030 exemption allows color/finish variants of on-Roster handguns to be added to the Roster.

What Ruger did was a standard submission via PC 32015(a).

That said...
Word is CA DOJ BOF may have internally ruled/decided that they will not implement the 1 for 3 removals, since its addition to the CA unsafe handgun laws was tied to the CA microstamping requirements, which were stayed by the Courts.

Do you agree that the new Ruger listing would normally trigger 3 to be removed ?

[D.A.V.I.D.]

Originally Posted by abinsinia

Do you agree that the new Ruger listing would normally trigger 3 to be removed ?

It?s never happened so not really anything normal.

[Elgatodeacero]

I thought the LCI has to be that ridiculous flag lever thing? The Mk4 doesn’t seem to have anything for LCI and the SR22 has the little barrel hole? Maybe the pics are not correct?

[NateIU10]

Not on rimfire pistols, LCI only applies to centerfire semiautomatic pistols.

[Quiet]

Originally Posted by NateIU10

Not on rimfire pistols, LCI only applies to centerfire semiautomatic pistols.

CA requires a MDM on semi-auto pistols that do not have a fixed magazine.
CA requires a CLI on semi-auto centerfire pistols.
CA does not require a CLI on semi-auto rimfire pistols.

CA requires a CLI, not a LCI.
All CLI are LCI, but only a few LCI are CLI.
^There is a legal and technical differences between a CLI and a LCI.

Both Ruger pistols have a LCI and a MDM.

[Reno-Kid]

All a nice start to introduce many other handguns.

[Subotai]

Waiting on the VP9, amongst others.

[9Cal_OC]

Originally Posted by Quiet

CA requires a MDM on semi-auto pistols that do not have a fixed magazine.
CA requires a CLI on semi-auto centerfire pistols.
CA does not require a CLI on semi-auto rimfire pistols.

CA requires a CLI, not a LCI.
All CLI are LCI, but only a few LCI are CLI.
^There is a legal and technical differences between a CLI and a LCI.

Both Ruger pistols have a LCI and a MDM.

They also have to have the colored and annoying lettering as well with the CLI?

[Nvberinger]

Originally Posted by Subotai

Waiting on the VP9, amongst others.

I'm in for a VP9.

[Garandimal]

Fascism - can be defined as State Directed Capitalism.

So ya know.

[Snoopy47]

Originally Posted by P5Ret

People will absolutely go nuts if either the 19 or 17 gets dropped, because Ruger added a couple .22's.

That's the best possible outcome.

Of all manufactures Glock is best positioned to push back immediately with sufficient legal pockets.

It's not like dropping some off brand grandfathered POS midnight special that isn't worth putting up a legal defense for.

[Batman]

And at the same time, if Glock came out with a CA approved Gen 5 model 17 & 19.....

[Big Chudungus]

Originally Posted by jarhead714

The Mark IV remedies what people hated most about the Standard through Mk. III and the SR22 is among the most reliable semi-automatic rimfires ever produced, so yeah, kinda exciting.

Mk 4 mentions one button easy take down for cleaning. I'd been told Mk 3 was "challenging" to clean.

Big question is WTF hasn't all this gone to SCOTUS? SCOTUS seems deathly afraid of taking basic cases on big issues and only likes hide in the weeds and bramble bushes of laws that only effect one or two companies in unimportant ways.

Also, we don't got a 6-3 "conservative majority", we got two "mild"(weak) conservatives in Thomas and Alito and the rest are just plain dumb liberals, "conservative" fruitcakes or Deep State stooges. Roberts reminds me of this pastor from a buddies church. On surface he was married with kids and your basic fairly conservative pastor type. Then some fire breaks out from lit candle in thrash or something and his desk is found to be full of all sorts of hyper woke stuff.

[Rover]

Originally Posted by Quiet

That said...
Word is CA DOJ BOF may have internally ruled/decided that they will not implement the 1 for 3 removals, since its addition to the CA unsafe handgun laws was tied to the CA microstamping requirements, which were stayed by the Courts.

If I ran the DOJ, that would be my move. Keeping the 1 for 3 rule would likely push the roster over the edge of Un-constitutionality in most Judge's opinions.

Foregoing that stipulation means the roster is just a consumer safety requirement, which I think generally will hold up to muster in most courts. Same reason they didn't pursue the microstamping requirement, it's indefensible as a consumer protection measure. We can disagree with the roster all we want, but they're making moves that will hold up in court.

I'm pretty good as LCI and MD removals, so I'll take whatever new cool options I can get.

[morrcarr67]

Originally Posted by Rover

If I ran the DOJ, that would be my move. Keeping the 1 for 3 rule would likely push the roster over the edge of Un-constitutionality in most Judge's opinions.

Foregoing that stipulation means the roster is just a consumer safety requirement, which I think generally will hold up to muster in most courts. Same reason they didn't pursue the microstamping requirement, it's indefensible as a consumer protection measure. We can disagree with the roster all we want, but they're making moves that will hold up in court.

I'm pretty good as LCI and MD removals, so I'll take whatever new cool options I can get.

That's what I was thinking. If they took the 3 off, it would just go to show that it's truly a ban on guns and has nothing to do with safety.

[Nvberinger]

Turner is taking deposits with delivery on June 5 and 10. That was FAST move on Turners part.

[abinsinia]

It's out of stock,

https://grabagun.com/ruger-mark-iv-t...1021_b30cdb709

https://grabagun.com/ruger-sr22-22-l...1021_d30ca39e1

[abinsinia]

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

That's what I was thinking. If they took the 3 off, it would just go to show that it's truly a ban on guns and has nothing to do with safety.

If this were the case they would hold off on removal, but eventually do the removal.

[Dvrjon]

[fabularny]

shield plus needs to come out. come on s&w. we need a serious ccw handgun.

[morrcarr67]

Here's the GoG links for those who want to keep an eye on them.

https://galleryofguns.com/genie/Defa...&zipcode=91761

https://galleryofguns.com/genie/Defa...&zipcode=91761

[G_FNH57]

Got both of these. Waiting for the 22/45

[Capybara]

I had one of the original SSR22s. It was a sweet little pistol, but I rarely shot it so I sold it for double what I paid for it when it went off the roster. Now that it's back, I may pick it up again and an MK IV.

[samrob77]

Pardon my ignorance, but if this Mark IV got added, would it mean the other variations can be added as well?
Or is there something specific about this model?

[TomReloaded]

There's 750+ guns "on roster" and some of them don't even exist. Theres basically nothing on the roster anymore.

If we added 20 truly new guns I'm not sure I'd ever notice 60 are gone... That's assuming they actually remove any.

If they remove any revolvers you can still buy them with a single action exemption.

There's quite a few roster ready guns that can be added immediately. I'd love to see the whole m&p lineup added.

[Zenderfall]

Originally Posted by TomReloaded

If they remove any revolvers you can still buy them with a single action exemption.

Revolvers are not part of the 3-1 rule. It applies only to semi-automatics. Since 2013 until now, double-action revolvers had been regularly added to the roster since they were/are not affected by microstamping, CLI and MDM rule.

[M1NM]

Originally Posted by Zenderfall

...Even if the only Mark 4 is a super long barrel version, barrels can be changed, right?

Nope the Ruger Std/MK series is a fluke. The serial number is on the upper not the grip frame. The barrels are sweated/pressed into the upper under great pressure.

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by TomReloaded

There's 750+ guns "on roster" and some of them don't even exist. Theres basically nothing on the roster anymore.

837 as of today. Take away barrel length and colors, probably 12.

[fishnbeer]

Put my deposit on a SR22 this morning. Now we play the wIting game...

Also, this win is thanks to CRPA. They should be rewarded for the effort, and the win. ANY win against CA doj deserves a toast. Join, donate, tip the hat, etc.

Hi hip HOORAY!

https://crpa.org/

[P08]

Originally Posted by M1NM

Nope the Ruger Std/MK series is a fluke. The serial number is on the upper not the grip frame. The barrels are sweated/pressed into the upper under great pressure.

Not sure where a long barrel was mentioned, the 5.5 inch mk4 was approved, the sr22 was approved with a 3.5?l Inch barrel. Go check the doj list if you doubt that