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Old 02-02-2023, 6:25 AM
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Default Lena's grip?

https://www.sigsauer.com/blog/is-a-s...ew-suppressor?

Sorry I couldn't post just the picture, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

I've never seen that sort of grip. Do any of you guys use that?
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Old 02-02-2023, 8:41 AM
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its simply a version of 'putting a support hand finger on the trigger guard' that actually works. I think its particularly beneficial for shooters with small hands to get more meat on the gun for both stability and recoil control. It takes solid practice though...Lena has plenty!

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Old 02-02-2023, 9:11 AM
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The trigger guard thing went out of favor with the people I see shooting, about 25-30 years ago. I've never seen that many fingers on the trigger guard, even on the dust cover.
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Looks to me like the left hand middle finger is crowding the trigger area. I suppose it works for her.

I have smallish hands and struggle to keep a firm and consistent grip on the gun. May have to try a version of this.
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Movie grip.

She learned by watching liberals make entertainment.

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Looks to me like the left hand middle finger is crowding the trigger area. I suppose it works for her.

I have smallish hands and struggle to keep a firm and consistent grip on the gun. May have to try a version of this.
Ditto. And ditto. That's why I asked about it.
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She learned by watching liberals make entertainment.

That's either a not very good joke or you don't know who Lena Miculek is.

Having spent a little time with Jerry, I doubt he's much of a liberal.
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Unless you can outshoot her, which I doubt, there's not much room to say she's wrong.
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Never seen anyone other than her shoot with two fingers on the trigger guard like that. I'd be interested in a look at the other side of the grip to see how much grip is floating. Maybe the far forward grip is more helpful to her small hands for managing the up and left recoil by pushing on the dustcover instead

I shoot with my support hand index finger on the trigger guard. This is my giant hands on my P10F

If it works for you then it works for you.

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Kyle Defoor also shoots and teaches this method
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Lena has been shooting since she was a tiny human. When she was little she couldn't wrap her tiny hands around the gun properly so Jerry had her shoot like this when she was younger to gain more leverage. Turns out it stuck 20+ years later.
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Lena has been shooting since she was a tiny human. When she was little she couldn't wrap her tiny hands around the gun properly so Jerry had her shoot like this when she was younger to gain more leverage. Turns out it stuck 20+ years later.
And she's still a tiny human.
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Kyle Defoor also shoots and teaches this method
I don't recall him teaching or shooting like that.

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Lena has been shooting since she was a tiny human. When she was little she couldn't wrap her tiny hands around the gun properly...


Can think of a number of athletes I've 'let' continue to be against the grain. An axiom of sports is,

"Don't change a winning game."

As a tennis pro, I come across kids that have some malformed grip, swing or style that is counter to anything I'd ever teach. The trick is to understand when it is an impediment to their long-term growth as a competitor.

Sometimes, the right way, is their way and for a lifetime.

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Definitely looks to be the way she shoots.

https://youtu.be/O_F9o1XfsG0?t=18
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I don't recall him teaching or shooting like that.

He was still shooting finger around the front of trigger guard around 5 years ago or so. Not sure what he's doing now.

It's not new. Yong Lee was doing that too.

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The technique is so old Glock molds the serrations on the front of the trigger guard for it. I've never seen a picture or video of Defoor shooting with a finger on the trigger guard, and he did not do this in my class with him about 7 years ago. Here he is 10 years ago demo'ing grip.



The most well known shooter to still use this technique would probably be Eric Grauffel.




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He was still shooting finger around the front of trigger guard around 5 years ago or so. Not sure what he's doing now.

It's not new. Yong Lee was doing that too.

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You guys that keep saying it's old, need to look at Lena's grip again. It's not the same.
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Yeah. Although some shooters have shot or currently shoot with their weak hand index finger on the front of the trigger guard, it's different compared to how she does it.
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That's either a not very good joke or you don't know who Lena Miculek is.

Having spent a little time with Jerry, I doubt he's much of a liberal.

Re-read what I wrote.

I know exactly who Lena is. She's not her father.

Lot's of people can outshoot me and probably you as well. Does that make them the experts? No, it doesn't.
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Re-read what I wrote.

I know exactly who Lena is. She's not her father.

Lot's of people can outshoot me and probably you as well. Does that make them the experts? No, it doesn't.
Ok, but your original post still doesn't make any sense. Lena actually explains why she grips it the way she does in one of the videos posted above, and it wasn't from watching movies.
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Maybe it's a trick/tool that helps with trigger reset.

Once your trigger finger hits your fingers in the trigger guard. You know your trigger is reset. Gives you faster trigger time. Just a guess
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Re-read what I wrote.

I know exactly who Lena is. She's not her father.

Lot's of people can outshoot me and probably you as well. Does that make them the experts? No, it doesn't.
So you admit she shoots better than you, which we all know she does. No one is claiming shes an "expert" but by all counts since she gets paid to shoot I would consider her an expert. Yet she shoots ten times better than you and yet youre trashing her grip style. LMFAO
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If you don't think that an eight time world champion shooter (or in ANYTHING for that matter) is an expert, you have delusions of adequacy.
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I don't acknowledge people who shoot pistols without optics anymore, lol
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She’s an eight time champ because she has the time to devote specifically to the sport, which the majority of us do not have the time, nor the money to do so.

If the grip works for her, good.

How many of you were forced to learn weaver or bladed single handed grip. Still consider those instructors experts with what you know now?

How many so called experts poo-poo’d Lt Col Cooper when he taught his modern gun fighting techniques in the early days?
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Jeff Cooper stopped arguing about such controversial shooting instructional topics, including grip, circa 1988. And a few others shooter / instructors did too.

It wasn't that long ago I was working with a steamfitter whose right hand closely resembles a lobster claw. Over the phone he told me he's had numerous
post industrial accident successful surgeries...And is always on the lookout for improving his pistol shooting fundamentals including grip.

How much did time do you think we spent talking about someone else's idea of a what a perfect pistol shooting grip should be?
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The same amount of time an amputee would. Zero.

Out of curiosity, how many so called experts were employed at Front Site?

Anyone remember Voda Consulting??? He’s an expert too you know…
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The same amount of time an amputee would. Zero.

Out of curiosity, how many so called experts were employed at Front Site?

Anyone remember Voda Consulting??? He’s an expert too you know…
What's exactly your point? Lena is one of the best shooters in the world. When you post your technique that gets you better demonstrable results please let us know.
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Conversely, when ALL the top shooters in the world use her grip, I’ll concede she was right.

Until then, my grip will remain the way I was taught and good enough for me to be competitive.
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I don't think anyone is saying that Lena's grip is the best way to go and that everyone should start using her style of gripping the gun. But she has great results for herself using that grip. Willie Mays used to drop his hands way below his belt before taking his swing. Nobody teaches batters to do use the same technique today. But look at how great he was. But he was Willie Mays!
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Conversely, when ALL the top shooters in the world use her grip, I’ll concede she was right.

Until then, my grip will remain the way I was taught and good enough for me to be competitive.
Spoken like someone who believes that all of the top shooters grip the gun the same way. They don't.
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Spoken like someone who believes that all of the top shooters grip the gun the same way. They don't.
OMG!!!!!

No way!? Really???

So why should I trust Lena’s grip? What makes her better than everyone else???
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OMG!!!!!

No way!? Really???

So why should I trust Lena’s grip? What makes her better than everyone else???
No further discussion warranted, you can't form a coherent argument and subsequent sentence. Somehow a world champion shooter in 2023 doesn't know what she's doing because experts in 1956 had poor technique.
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OMG!!!!!

No way!? Really???

So why should I trust Lena’s grip? What makes her better than everyone else???
There’s a part of me that thinks you’re just trolling as a logically thinker wouldn’t get so hung up on nothing. But in the event you don’t actually understand what’s being said here, no one is saying Lena’s grip is ‘correct’, nor that she’s teaching anyone to copy her (she’s not). She’s is a top shooter that has a style that works for _her_. For someone to tell her she should fix her grip because other don’t do that is delusional. There is no single ‘best’ way to do everything. Different bodies, different experience. People do what they think works best for them and their validation if it’s working or not is in the results. Like world championships.
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Oh, I disagree. Many people here clearly think her grip is far better than anything I can muster.

And I never said she should change her grip. But somehow, you seem to insinuate I did.
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Oh, I disagree. Many people here clearly think her grip is far better than anything I can muster.

And I never said she should change her grip. But somehow, you seem to insinuate I did.
So, you dont think her grip is better than yours, and you dont think she should change her grip.
What are you actually saying is the issue with a champion shooter using her grip?
By the way, I dont think anyone is saying her grip is better than anyone elses grip.
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I will settle this once and for all...

Below is the grip that you need! Good enough for a shooter to go far in a season of Top Shot!






I am quite sure that it worked for the DEA agent "Bobby" Trench






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