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View Poll Results: With the latest 1/22/2022 Front Sight Restructuring, are you going to:
Stay on as a member and pay all the new fees 6 4.55%
Let my membership lapse and do nothing else. 58 43.94%
Join a class action lawsuit against Front Sight 56 42.42%
Other: explain what you are doing in a post 12 9.09%
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I thought some more about this...

If Dr. P is in fact the successful "stalking horse", I can picture the following

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5 Hours of the 341 Creditors Committee Concluded. Patronage Points for Ownership Gone. Patronage Points and/or FS Bucks for Profit Sharing going forward according to Dr. Piazza. Minimum Stalking Horse Bid for the Property will be between $14-19 Million if someone wants to buy it above FS DIP Financing Bid. Good Luck Everyone!
If you think it appropriate, would you share your opinion of the situation as it develops? Impressions of future possibilities?
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So since the Debtor In Possession funding is approved by the judge, does that mean the good doctor Piazza retains control?
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So since the Debtor In Possession funding is approved by the judge, does that mean the good doctor Piazza retains control?
The Lender has asked that the Judge to appoint a Trustee - set for a Hearing on July 25th, because a Trustee must be appointed because the Debtor pulled out more than $5 Million Dollars from the Company. (Short run on sentence for summary.)
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Interesting. So Ignatius Piazza's Stalking Horse is bidding to buy the property from his own FS LLC? And some sort of a re-born FS iteration may succeed the present one free from its debts?

I had to look up the concept of Stalking Horse.
It can be anyone, doesn't mean its Piazza. If it were me I'd make sure Nash has nothing to do with FS.
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Looking at my FS account, its shows dates out to December for the 4 day handgun. Just 1 course for every week. Seems it still shows as "free" but when you go to check out its $400. They did the work to change the site to charge you at check out but didn't up date thats its no longer free. Should be honest and just put up $400 for a 4 day and $200 for a 2 day.
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So July is always a slow time.

But going from $50 background fee to
Buy ammo at FS
Pay $400 fee for a 4 days class


That changes a lot.

How do you keep all the staff there.

Any guess what many make? $10-$12 per hour?
Range masters $35k? Purely a guess
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Rangemaster make p to $28 hr if I remember correctly. Cost of front sight is too expensive when you factor in everything else such as travel and lodging and such.
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How do you keep all the staff there.
You don't.
I said goodbye to a few more staff members when I was there over the weekend taking Adv Tactical.
Quite a few are moving on due to the uncertainty and needing something more stable to support themselves and family.
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You don't.
I said goodbye to a few more staff members when I was there over the weekend taking Adv Tactical.
Quite a few are moving on due to the uncertainty and needing something more stable to support themselves and family.
This. Those with families need to look out for their future. You have some staff who have some sort of retirement income so FS is not their main bread and butter and they can weather it out. Hoping for the best but expect the worst.
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Seems funny not goito front sight for the 4th. Went to all since 2004, except when COVID canceled.
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Instructors were told to go on unemployment this week. Salaried managers are being kept on board. Not sure how that translates to the specialty private training like Precision Rifle as only a handful of instructors can teach it.
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If they offer instructor development classes are they going to charge you 400 to take the class so you can work there?
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If things really go south i am going to jockey to be first in line to mine the facility for lead and copper.
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If they offer instructor development classes are they going to charge you 400 to take the class so you can work there?
That does not sound fair.

Hillary Gavenda used to tell students in small classes stories of how these aspiring young instructors would take the ID class, buying their own ammo with their last dollar, that they could not afford to stay in a nearby motel. They would dry camp in front of the gate just for a chance to have a job at Front Sight.
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If things really go south i am going to jockey to be first in line to mine the facility for lead and copper.
You're assuming they haven't had their crews come in already and have that place picked clean?
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If things really go south i am going to jockey to be first in line to mine the facility for lead and copper.
They clean out the lead and copper from the berms every summer. I've seen the piles.

ETA: I remembered I have a picture of one. All the stuff in the berms.


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Instructors were told to go on unemployment this week. Salaried managers are being kept on board. Not sure how that translates to the specialty private training like Precision Rifle as only a handful of instructors can teach it.
Hmm. So you get to pay $100/day for a "free" class with no instructor. Sounds like an expensive range day...
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Instructors were told to go on unemployment this week. Salaried managers are being kept on board. Not sure how that translates to the specialty private training like Precision Rifle as only a handful of instructors can teach it.
Isnít that what happened to them during that COVID closure? It was meant to retain the workforce when there was no money coming in? A lot of instructors left then. So are any summer classes taking place?
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My guess is once fall rolls around when it traditionally gets busy at FS and nobody shows up this year we will be inundated with emails begging us to come back and sign up for classes.
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I see no way around this it has all caught up with him as all Ponzi schemes do eventually. He has screwed so many people including me that I do not feel sorry for him. Once the members who were getting every thing for free had to actually pay $100 a day (that is a steal and worth every penny) all I here is bitching. So his biggest supporter's or maybe last supporters have even abandoned him. I hope he feels as lonely as he should, at least he has scientology?
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If things really go south i am going to jockey to be first in line to mine the facility for lead and copper.
What about the brass? When I was there last month on range 5, there was lots of brass. Then, we moved to range 7 and there was much, much more.
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Isnít that what happened to them during that COVID closure? It was meant to retain the workforce when there was no money coming in? A lot of instructors left then. So are any summer classes taking place?
There are, but it's scaled back. I guess I'll see when I'm out there again for a private training beginning of August
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It's over, I went to Backersfield in 97 and I never thought it would last 25 yrs. Piazza is full of crap but a marketing genius!
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What about the brass? When I was there last month on range 5, there was lots of brass. Then, we moved to range 7 and there was much, much more.
They have crews that come in and hand-pick the brass. And once a year hire a company to come in and go through all the berms and pull out all the lead.
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a nice whiskey just shot out of my nose! +1
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Youíre drinking whiskey at 10am?! Strong work!
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I have a cold- so it had some honey in it too.
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Have you guys seen the proposed solar construction all around Front Sight?

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Have you guys seen the proposed solar construction all around Front Sight?
I guess that's what all those crews were along Tecopa Rd. the last few times I've been out there.
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New email from Dr piazza

For a one time fee. Get solar energy from front sun and any other solar power we generate in the future. From. Front. Sun. Lol
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For a one time fee. Get solar energy from front sun and any other solar power we generate in the future. From. Front. Sun. Lol
Good shizz right there.
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it's the way to power the "new" front sight resort. Forget trying to trench through all that hard rock, we have solar. It will power the hotel, the condo's, the meeting center,.....
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I have not received an email from the good Dr. since July 8. Any inside info?
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Same, got 3 emails on Friday but nothing since.
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I'm still getting them. Will be glad to forward if needed. 10:37 a.m. and 1:02 p.m. today.
ETA: another one this evening.
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I'm still getting them. Will be glad to forward if needed. 10:37 a.m. and 1:02 p.m. today.
ETA: another one this evening.

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