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Old 02-13-2020, 12:26 AM
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I just read the Policy for LA County for CCW and here is a quote



So if you say self defense and to protect my family they will say we can do that for you. Basically the only way I see someone getting one is going to the interview all beat up with a broken arm and a leg and saying that you got jumped by thugs, even then they will still say they will protect you.

http://www.lasdhq.org/contact_us/inq...ub_ccw_app.pdf
Go all the way down to the Policy section and its on page 2.

TOTAL FREAKIN HORSE ****!!!!
Yes, I know how old the above I am quoting thread is however I want to make the point concerning how the LASO will protect you.

I live in an apartment complex for the first time in nearly 49 years. Yes, I'm and old fart. The nice divorced Hispanic lady living with her mother and three young children was being physically assaulted at her doorway and screaming for my help as my wife & I had become friends of the family. My wife got to the door first with me right behind her. Our male upstairs neighbor that beats his live-in-girlfriend every month or so with screams that cause people to come to our building to get the apartment number to call 911 had our female neighbor pinned by the throat up against the wall outside her doorway. I yelled at him to get his sorry rear back up in his apartment and he wanted me to make him. I'm 70 and he is in his 30s. Due to the screams and my yelling more neighbors were coming out and my wife was on the phone to 911. After about 30 minutes when the Sheriff's Deputies arrived my neighbor, my wife and I told the LA Deputies what had happened and that my wife and I would gladly testify.

After the Deputies came down from talking to the perpetrator and his girlfriend (who was not there) the lead deputy informed the victim, my wife and I that "they" claimed it was a neighbor dispute as well as a racial conspiracy to frame the attacker of our neighbor. The deputy said if he believed "us" he would arrest him. Then he warned me to watch my back because the guy had made many threats against me to them. That was it the LA Sheriff's took NO action and did not refer it for further investigation. Afterward both the perp and his girlfriend came down stairs after the deputies left and threatened the victim's life for reporting him. I went down to the Sheriff's substation and talked to the watch commander and all I could get out of him was "Well, I was not there." I told him "well, I was and witnessed it!" No action, no investigation, and no follow through. He said to have the victim come talk to him but she refused now because she was scared and the SO would not even send out an officer to take a statement. Yea, right, they will protect you!

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Old 02-13-2020, 4:35 AM
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You have the Dem-Lib-Union backed legislature and elected bureaucrats to thank, as well as the people that voted them in...your main beef should be with them and only secondarily the Sheriff's Office.
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Old 02-13-2020, 2:17 PM
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LA County will protect you?

Fine. 6 cops (1 each for me, my wife, and kids) at ALL times and in ALL places with them, and at our house: 24/7/365 (366 this year ). At NO expense to me.

CAN'T do it?


CCW please.
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Old 02-13-2020, 6:46 PM
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As Jeepergeo pointed out. Blame the legislature first.

Yet, as he stated;

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You have the Dem-Lib-Union backed legislature
The bolded, does include the SO Union. But as of now the crime against the victim is described as "simple assault" ergo a misdemeanor. Which a LEO either has to see first hand. Or have the "victim" willing to make a LEO assisted private person arrest.

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Penal Code 240 PC is the California statute that defines the crime of assault. Also referred to as "simple assault" (as opposed to aggravated assault) this section makes it a misdemeanor to commit (or attempt to commit) a violent injury on another person.
Neither of which happened. So Deputies can do nothing.

To delve a bit further into the "Dem-Lib-Union" issue that Jeeper brought up. Our current worthless waste of sperm LACo Sheriff, who is a rabid Anti 2A lifelong Dem. Who will never issue CCW to "little people". No matter his phony, disingenuous campaign promises.

Was greatly helped into office by the "Rank n File" Deputies Union [ALADS] with a $1.3 Million campaign donation. http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr701.php

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Old 02-14-2020, 9:43 AM
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As Jeepergeo pointed out. Blame the legislature first.

Yet, as he stated;



The bolded, does include the SO Union. But as of now the crime against the victim is described as "simple assault" ergo a misdemeanor. Which a LEO either has to see first hand. Or have the "victim" willing to make a LEO assisted private person arrest.



Neither of which happened. So Deputies can do nothing.

To delve a bit further into the "Dem-Lib-Union" issue that Jeeper brought up. Our current worthless waste of sperm LACo Sheriff, who is a rabid Anti 2A lifelong Dem. Who will never issue CCW to "little people". No matter his phony, disingenuous campaign promises.

Was greatly helped into office by the "Rank n File" Deputies Union [ALADS] with a $1.3 Million campaign donation. http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr701.php
That illustrates one of the main problems of public employee unions. It is my understanding that they were prohibited until JFK legalized them. Anyone ever notice the link between Democrats and the march to a big government administrative state?

Public employee unions can only lead to corruption. When a government can vote for itself, it removes the will and power of the people in determining the course of what was their government. California is a perfect example of this corruption in action. Much of California's impending financial downfall will be attributed to the greed of union members and their ability to rob the average citizen and private sector of its wealth.

On OP's original topic - a government that denies its citizens their fundamental human rights while claiming that only it can provide for them has violated the pact to govern with the people's consent and instead made itself lord and the citizen the subject.
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The Supreme Court has ruled a number of times that there is no,
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... special duty on the State to provide services to the public for protection against private actors if the State did not create those harms. DeShaney v. Winnebago
Even a restraining order provides no guarantees.
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The opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia found that state law did not entitle the holder of a restraining order to any specific mandatory action by the police. Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales
We are required to pay personal taxes to fund law enforcement without any right to personal services. Ironically, the only “personal” law enforcement most folks receive comes in the form of LEOs detaining, citing or arresting the person.

So, when law enforcement says they will provide for your self defense, they have no Constitutional duty to follow through on that pledge.
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When she lets him beat on her, she is a huge part of the problem.


Video is good for court.
Call the cops and let them sort it out.

Women jump on cops all the time to protect the men who were beating them moments before.


To be mean- talk to the management company - ask them to solve the issue too

Follow up with a letter asking the management company to fix the issue.
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OP. Sad but reality. It is troubling that you came to assist and now face a liability for doing the right thing. The world is crazy in my opinion. Consider buying a weapon and defending yourself in your own house. Tell the S.O.B. to stay the _uck away and you already have on record his statements to the authorities about harming you.
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sorry you were put in that situation.
i have had the police point guns at me while i was restraining a neighbor like the one you are describing.

i would refer your neighbor to some assistance for battered women and then let her know you will not intervene in her favor again because of her betrayal and willingness to put you in danger to protect herself (and of course this does no such thing).

if you do feel compelled to assist her again, i suggest having your wife record everything.

it is obvious the officer could have interviewed more neighbors and basically called you a liar instead, so i would note his name and badge number and file a written complaint.
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it is obvious the officer could have interviewed more neighbors and basically called you a liar instead, so i would note his name and badge number and file a written complaint.

Further interviewing "more neighbors" would be a waste of time.

Deps didn't see the assault. Victim unwilling to exercise only other option to effect an arrest.

Filing a complaint against officers for NOT making an arrest, that they are NOT LEGALLY ALLOWED to make?
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As Jeepergeo pointed out. Blame the legislature first.

Yet, as he stated;



The bolded, does include the SO Union. But as of now the crime against the victim is described as "simple assault" ergo a misdemeanor. Which a LEO either has to see first hand. Or have the "victim" willing to make a LEO assisted private person arrest.



Neither of which happened. So Deputies can do nothing.

To delve a bit further into the "Dem-Lib-Union" issue that Jeeper brought up. Our current worthless waste of sperm LACo Sheriff, who is a rabid Anti 2A lifelong Dem. Who will never issue CCW to "little people". No matter his phony, disingenuous campaign promises.

Was greatly helped into office by the "Rank n File" Deputies Union [ALADS] with a $1.3 Million campaign donation. http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr701.php
At the time of the assault the victim told the deputy she was willing to press charges in my presence and my wife and I told the deputies we would testify.
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sorry you were put in that situation.
i have had the police point guns at me while i was restraining a neighbor like the one you are describing.

i would refer your neighbor to some assistance for battered women and then let her know you will not intervene in her favor again because of her betrayal and willingness to put you in danger to protect herself (and of course this does no such thing).

if you do feel compelled to assist her again, i suggest having your wife record everything.

it is obvious the officer could have interviewed more neighbors and basically called you a liar instead, so i would note his name and badge number and file a written complaint.
Oh, I basically did that when I had a deputy at my apartment for yet another incident with this same individual and she declined to back me up because she was "scared" to say anything against the guy. So I let her know, the next time he attacks her don't be calling me to save her again.
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this is why i may or may not (and just clearly stating a hypothetical wish) carry regardless of what the politicians in LA county say in regards to private citizens obtaining ccw.
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Move out of L.A County to Orange County or any other bordering county and you will get your CCW. Please don't say it can't be done for whatever reason. If you want a CCW move and make it happen. I lived in that S*** hole county for most of my life and I moved. Make it happen!
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[B]At the time of the assault the victim told the deputy she was willing to press charges in my presence and my wife and I told the deputies we would testify.
Perhaps you missed reading the previous. Or I didn't get the point across. I'll try again.

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But as of now the crime against the victim is described as "simple assault" ergo a misdemeanor. Which a LEO either has to see first hand. Or have the "victim" willing to make a LEO assisted private person arrest.
The crime you described did NOT rise to the level of a felony. So it is a misdemeanor. PC was provided.

Cops can't arrest a suspect for a misdemeanor no matter how many witnesses come forward. >UNLESS THEY SEE IT HAPPEN.<

Victim willing to press charges. Doesn't change the statute. The ONLY alternative to ALLOW the Deputy to make an arrest. Under those circumstances. Would be when ASSISTING THE VICTIM in MAKING a CITIZENS ARREST.

SHE WON'T, SO, THEY CAN'T!
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