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Old 07-07-2021, 2:20 PM
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Its hot and getting hotter. How do you deal with it, and how do deal with it with no power.

Grapes are hot, garden is hot, cows and hogs are hot, what to do.

We cool the house and shop with swamp coolers. Those honey comb high efficient units on thermostats. Off grid the batteries will run the house unit easy with the solar and the long days.

Water misters on the hogs and for the horses and mules and the cows are laid up in the shade.

The orchard and garden are using a ton of water. We normally only refill the pond once a week and its 3 days a week. Thank God its on a gravity siphon system. Water will never be a issue at my place.

Its tough to sleep when its hot. We are headed to the cabin for the weekend after work tomorrow. 110 this weekend at the ranch.

I hate the heat, plan accordingly.
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I'm glad you have water. That would be a huge issue otherwise.
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Weather is definitely a driver that kept us looking at coastal property due to the moderating influences of the Pacific Ocean. There are now some off-grid friendly air conditioning units coming onto the market. There is a YouTuber, Engineer 775, who has some videos on various projects where he has installed them. We have found that a basement offers temps in the upper 50's to low 60's year round no matter the outside temperatures.

I mention off-grid friendly AC since some people are trying to work out how to have alternative preparations for managing things like very hot weather during times of commercial power interruptions. Selecting efficient AC systems can allow you to get by on a smaller generator or even by letting solar alone, drive the system; something not very practical with the traditional power hungry AC systems.

Don't forget your fire preparations including defensible space and if you have a sense of adventure: independent water source, fire pump and hose and some protective clothing. Good luck everyone!
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The hottest inside of our house gets is 84. This is when temps outside are 20 degrees plus hotter. That and the usual low humidity we get make it tolerable. We're in the middle now of our monsoon season so the humidity does go up a bit.

In a grid down situation our house in easily livable. Having to deal with livestock or crops is a whole other ballgame.
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We have a flooded mine shaft on the property. We have toyed with the idea running a 2 inch copper pipe 200 ft in the mine and pump it down to a heat exchange unit, a huge radiator and duct it in the house like our coolers.

Right now the coolers give me a 29 degree split most of the time. The water coming out of the mine is 58 degrees so in theory it should provide colder air. Its a project for another day .

My coolers are 220 volt 1hp units. They work really well.
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Friends had contraptions while we were in Glamis camping.

Holes Dug and water buried to keep it cooler.

30-35 gallon pickle barrel - pressurized
lines and misters... you could hook a lister up to a chair....


If you have animals, a misting system could be their life saver.

I'm not sure how many PSI you need for a misting nozzle not how many PSI a steel 55 gallon drum or a 30 gallon poly drum could handle...
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We adapt to the seasons. It's just Pete, re-Pete and Ditto with little drama.

Our place is old, but really well insulated. At any point during the summer we can sleep in our finished basement. Temps are cool and we just leave a fan pointed at the bed for added comfort. Our basement is HUGE and we liken it to our hidden first story.

We haven't used the AC in years. Easy enough to climatize when you can stay out of sudden temp shifts. Going from cold AC temps then jump out into the heat. Argh!
Give your body a chance to adapt and most people will do OK. Doesn't hurt to save a lot of $$$ either. PG&E can go suck on a dead dog's nose.

Live stock hasn't been around here for ages so no extra mouths to feed or water other than a cat. We do look in on a couple of older folks weekly and make sure things are set and proper. We talk and let them know they're not alone.
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If you have access to ice, and the inclination, you can DIY some fans that push air through copper coils - the coils pick up and circulate ice water. You can even run them from solar. It's not a perfect solution.

And I, too, hate the heat. Good luck.
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If you have access to ice, and the inclination, you can DIY some fans that push air through copper coils - the coils pick up and circulate ice water. You can even run them from solar. It's not a perfect solution.

And I, too, hate the heat. Good luck.
I forget the figure- 6 Liters of Water in a swamp cooler is somewhere around 12,000 BTU or about the same cooling as you get from a TON of ice...
taking 60 degree water from the ground and raising it to 212+ conversion to vaper.... that takes in a lot of heat... and provides a lot of cooling power...



the Ice water in coils and fans- the math never adds up - never enough BTU
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OP: Outside I would try misters. I've had them set up for a couple of years but we have very hard water and the nozzles are clogged. Need a new system. A swamp cooler might work inside. Much less power consumption than air conditioning.

I've been preparing for the upcoming power outages. Wildfire season is expected to be worse in 2021 when compared to 2020. I started building an off-grid solar system mainly for running the refrigerator. That problem seems to be solved so I'm looking at air conditioning. We have central air. 220v split phase. My solar solution isn't capable of handling that. I purchased a 110v, 8K BTU unit to experiment with. It should be good enough to cool down a room for sleeping but my system is too small to run it all night. I can only get about 4 hours. I need to double my battery capacity.

During the day, I can run the AC for about 6 hours if there is enough sun to charge the batteries, but there isn't enough energy in the batteries to run the AC at night. So I also need more solar power. I don't work during the summer, so I don't have the budget to buy more panels or more batteries right now. I also need to get another solar charge controller. The learning process has been very valuable and I'm sure I have a solution but need to throw more money at it.

Hermosabeach: Looks interesting. Have you tried one yet? Feedback is sketchy. Says it ships from China

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Its hot and getting hotter. How do you deal with it, and how do deal with it with no power.

Grapes are hot, garden is hot, cows and hogs are hot, what to do.

We cool the house and shop with swamp coolers. Those honey comb high efficient units on thermostats. Off grid the batteries will run the house unit easy with the solar and the long days.

Water misters on the hogs and for the horses and mules and the cows are laid up in the shade.

The orchard and garden are using a ton of water. We normally only refill the pond once a week and its 3 days a week. Thank God its on a gravity siphon system. Water will never be a issue at my place.

Its tough to sleep when its hot. We are headed to the cabin for the weekend after work tomorrow. 110 this weekend at the ranch.

I hate the heat, plan accordingly.
You can get a big evap cooler, but if it's in the open outdoors the area it cools is fairly small. If you have a semi-enclosed area like a barn they work a lot better.

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I forget the figure- 6 Liters of Water in a swamp cooler is somewhere around 12,000 BTU or about the same cooling as you get from a TON of ice...
taking 60 degree water from the ground and raising it to 212+ conversion to vaper.... that takes in a lot of heat... and provides a lot of cooling power...



the Ice water in coils and fans- the math never adds up - never enough BTU
Water doesn't have to boil to evaporate. Ice will evaporate.
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OP: Outside I would try misters.

Hermosabeach: Looks interesting. Have you tried one yet? Feedback is sketchy. Says it ships from China
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I just wanted a link for misters... Its a link I grabbed...

lots of misters- even in garden centers...


the question is - what to do when the power is off...

Can you have old propane tanks- Fill with Water- bicycle pump to 100 PSI and use that to run misters to keep livestock alive.

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I really don't know if an HDPE drum could hold enough PSI to run a misting system.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sg...346156723.html







Again - keeping everything also easy without power is a challenge.

Anyone who wants to "nerd out" and recall high school chemistry -
1 calorie to shift 1 CC ice to liquid
100 calories to shift 1 CC to 100

My brain is old and I'm not 100% on the calories. I guess we could Google the formula
Another 100 calories to turn the 100c water into vapor

Breaking that hydrogen bond takes a lot of energy.

We all know water evaporates and boiling is not required. The energy intake is still required.
high latent heat of vaporization compared with other liquids; that is, it takes considerable heat to turn liquid water into steam


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Got it. I need to replace a clogged mister system. I'm debating on replacing old nozzles or just get a new system.

Thanks for the link to the barrels. I could use a few for dry storage in the garage.


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I just wanted a link for misters... Its a link I grabbed...

lots of misters- even in garden centers...


the question is - what to do when the power is off...

Can you have old propane tanks- Fill with Water- bicycle pump to 100 PSI and use that to run misters to keep livestock alive.

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I really don't know if an HDPE drum could hold enough PSI to run a misting system.

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1st, insulate, 2nd ventilate. Also, for short term, (with a fan in the attic) throw a sprinkler on the roof. ? Mist, or sprinkle the west facing wall?
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I supervise three people who need to be outside almost all day. In that they are required to have a water bottle and cooling towel with them any time we exceed 90 it’s not a regulation just my rule. Those cheap cooling towels are great. $3-4 each I think, get them wet, snap em and they feel like an ice pack when outside,
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If you have access to ice, and the inclination, you can DIY some fans that push air through copper coils - the coils pick up and circulate ice water. You can even run them from solar. It's not a perfect solution.

And I, too, hate the heat. Good luck.
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Its hot and getting hotter. How do you deal with it, and how do deal with it with no power.

I hate the heat, plan accordingly.
First best step (as our house has a southern exposure) put up a canopy or awning to prevent sun light / heat from getting into the house to start.

As for without power, fans. The following is both battery and AC powered. (I realize these fans are for personal use, but you are the most important thing in the house..)

https://www.amazon.com/O2COOL-10-Inc...s%2C264&sr=8-1

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Having lived in a desert most of my life I have acclimatized and learned to enjoy it. Heat doesn't really bother me much anymore unless I'm trying to sleep. Was actually out digging in the yard till about 15 minutes ago leveling ground for a new ammo shed.
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I rarely use AC, about 6 - 10 days a year.

I installed a couple solar powered attic vent fans, then I installed 2 more that are connected with ducts in a "Y" that goes to a vent inside the house that I use to keep airflow through the house. I have shades I pull on the South facing porch that keeps the heat from getting to the house. I also have a pool, so whenever I feel hot I jump in the pool and lower my core temp. If I had it all to do over I would plant fruit/nut trees about 10' from the South side to create an additional shade layer. If I was building a house I would build in a deep basement and a couple fans that could pull the cool air up the house - but I'm not willing to bust up the foundation of my house so that will have to wait for the next house . . .
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We have a flooded mine shaft on the property. We have toyed with the idea running a 2 inch copper pipe 200 ft in the mine and pump it down to a heat exchange unit, a huge radiator and duct it in the house like our coolers.

Right now the coolers give me a 29 degree split most of the time. The water coming out of the mine is 58 degrees so in theory it should provide colder air. Its a project for another day .

My coolers are 220 volt 1hp units. They work really well.
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I would totally do it! That sounds great!!!
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I try to run the AC minimally... but over 85 inside is getting up there. We are seeing 113 temps here, but still gets cool at night eventually.

As soon as it hits under 80 outside in the evening the whole house fan goes on high for about 14 hours. Probably cycles all the air in the house in a few minutes. Downside is that a central fan vent will require room doors be opened and a window in that room.
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I supervise three people who need to be outside almost all day. In that they are required to have a water bottle and cooling towel with them any time we exceed 90 it’s not a regulation just my rule. Those cheap cooling towels are great. $3-4 each I think, get them wet, snap em and they feel like an ice pack when outside,
Shade and water.

Anyone who is an employer with outdoor employees (or any other employees exposed to heat above 80 degrees Fahrenheit) need to have a heat safety program.

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Freezer pops. I definitely don't need the sugar, but the freezer pops make the heat far more tolerable.

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Before the ranch had power, there was a windmill powered pump that pushed water 20' or so up into the tank house and that elevation provided head (pressure) for the water systems for the house and animals. My mom and four of her sisters had beds around the tank, where the water temp kept them cool on warm summer nights. The other six kids slept in the house, lots of shade trees, broad covered porches, typical farmhouse from that era.

Rooms had high ceilings, transoms to promote airflow, and the house was built on a small hill, both to get it above the vineyard to expose it to breeze as well as to get it out of the flood plain of the Kings River, this long before Pine Flat dam was built.

Since it's been 110-115 locally here in CA, I noticed something one evening when noticing the cat sprawled out on the floor; I got down there with her and was pleasantly surprised how much cooler it was down there; the house is slab on grade and is a substantial mass controlled in part by the temperature of the soil beneath it. Very comfortable temps, though sleeping on the floor not so agreeable with my old bones.


I figure the methods my parents and grandparents used back before they had power probably would work today too. Of course there's a lot more technology now. Fortunately, at the Oregon place a hot day during the last heat wave got up to 79 then boom the breeze turned and the cool ocean air took it right away. Wind over water. It works.
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A friend lived in a very old house in the desert---super hot in summer---unbearable! The house had very unique construction---there was a smaller part that was conventional, and shaded by trees, but most of the house was dug into a hillside right behind it and was several feet underground! There were a number of rooms, fully framed out (no windows!) and quite livable as they stay around 68-70f no matter how hot it was outside! They had a close water source which made the place surprisingly livable...
They had a couple horses who didn't like the heat either, so they constructed another underground area for them too. The horses needed no training---they immediately know to stay in the shelter during the hot part of the day! A water tank was inside for them too... You can survive the heat, if you know how!
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If you are wanting ways to stay cool without using power:
Shade, block out all areas of the suns rays. The darker the cooler. Air flow. If you have plenty of water, consider spraying down the roof with cold water and letting it evaporate. I’d normally recommend AC or swamp over this method, but if water is all you have. Freeze large buckets of water and give that to your animals to lick on.
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