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ok bud. Have no idea what you are talking about now.

According to you, somehow my decision to go to an FFL that doesn't charge extra fees for PPTs equates me to supporting CA PPT laws and makes me a communist. Yeah you lost me there.
Haha! You were lost the minute I splained this. You have no idea what you?re talking about or the issue at hand.

You?re literally complaining about a law imposed on FFL?s only in CA and using that to cry about some extra charge. What you should be doing is telling the politicians you?ve had enough and demand that they provide a free way to PPT with a free background check and let the government handle that transaction and not burden FFL?s with having to do any of it.
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Haha! You were lost the minute I splained this. You have no idea what you?re talking about or the issue at hand.

You?re literally complaining about a law imposed on FFL?s only in CA and using that to cry about some extra charge. What you should be doing is telling the politicians you?ve had enough and demand that they provide a free way to PPT with a free background check and let the government handle that transaction and not burden FFL?s with having to do any of it.
ok bud. You're just arguing with yourself at this point.
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ok bud. You're just arguing with yourself at this point.
I?m not arguing. I?m telling you how it is.

FFL?s see people like you everyday. Until you ever decide to understand the business, you won?t get it.

Believe me, there?s FFLs reading this and get it and rolling their eyes because we deal with people with your ideology often. We usually smile and nod and accept it for what it is. 😊
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Ok, Mr taperxz,,,, What fee for PPT's, would YOU charge, if you lawfully could ?????
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I?m not arguing. I?m telling you how it is.

FFL?s see people like you everyday. Until you ever decide to understand the business, you won?t get it.

Believe me, there?s FFLs reading this and get it and rolling their eyes because we deal with people with your ideology often. We usually smile and nod and accept it for what it is. ��
"Ideology"? Haha, really? It's pretty simple. Some FFLs charge extra fees to perform PPTs on top of the state mandated fees. Some FFLs do not. Obviously it's their decision for whatever reason. It's also my decision as a consumer to go to the FFLs that don't charge extra fees. Why would I pay more for nothing? It makes no sense. It's a stupid simple decision on my part, pay less or pay more? Why pay more if I don't have to and get better service from the FFLs that don't charge extra fees and also seem to know what they are doing? You're getting all butthurt because you can't force me to pay you more and you can't prevent me from going to an FFL that doesn't charge extra fees. Thats retarded. And it certainly doesn't sound like free market capitalism.
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"Ideology"? Haha, really? It's pretty simple. Some FFLs charge extra fees to perform PPTs on top of the state mandated fees. Some FFLs do not. Obviously it's their decision for whatever reason. It's also my decision as a consumer to go to the FFLs that don't charge extra fees. Why would I pay more for nothing? It makes no sense. It's a stupid simple decision on my part, pay less or pay more? Why pay more if I don't have to and get better service from the FFLs that don't charge extra fees and also seem to know what they are doing? You're getting all butthurt because you can't force me to pay you more and you can't prevent me from going to an FFL that doesn't charge extra fees. Thats retarded. And it certainly doesn't sound like free market capitalism.
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I find it amusing that people like you are trying to enforce a BS law on FFL's for your gain but not for the FFL who is trying to make a living. How many letters have you written to your State Senator or Assembly person to allow for a cost of living adjustment on the $10 an FFL gets for doing your PPT?

So, we have to raise wages for our employees but are forced to take a loss on PPT service? Don't be a socialist commie in favor of gun rights. Its a bad optic.
You wanted to be an FFL. Suck it up and understand that some things are the cost of doing business. It's not a service, so, no, you don't get to think in terms of profit/loss on it. It's a regulatory process that you are required to provide.

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There?s a lot of FFLs that can?t increase their customer base. Many rural stores are limited by population and may even be the only game in town.

I understand there?s a lot of self serving customers here and that?s fine and again, we charge zero extra fees. When that local business decides to close and now your only choice is 35-40 miles away, you just got charged $25 for gas

Many stores need the local support to stay open and pay an employee or two. Many don?t assess the situation.
If you would, could you point out mom and pop FFLs that shut down due to loss of revenue from transfer fees? Or even had to scale down? Until then, thus is purely speculation and an attempt to justify other FFLs price tack ons. As Gryff mentioned, it's a cost of doing business.

Having a shop close down due to loss of revenue from fire arm transfer fees is like having a sandwich shop close because no one wants to up size to a large drink and instead ask for a water cup (a "service" that must be provided) . FFLs have other services and merch to offer.

Not to confuse anything that has been said, but I'm not accusing your business of doing this. I'm referring to others that do, and when confronted refuse to admit error, or even attempt to justify the add ons.
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If you would, could you point out mom and pop FFLs that shut down due to loss of revenue from transfer fees? Or even had to scale down? Until then, thus is purely speculation and an attempt to justify other FFLs price tack ons. As Gryff mentioned, it's a cost of doing business.

Having a shop close down due to loss of revenue from fire arm transfer fees is like having a sandwich shop close because no one wants to up size to a large drink and instead ask for a water cup (a "service" that must be provided) . FFLs have other services and merch to offer.

Not to confuse anything that has been said, but I'm not accusing your business of doing this. I'm referring to others that do, and when confronted refuse to admit error, or even attempt to justify the add ons.
According to taper, thats straight up "communist" "ideology" right there. LOL.
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If you would, could you point out mom and pop FFLs that shut down due to loss of revenue from transfer fees? Or even had to scale down? Until then, thus is purely speculation and an attempt to justify other FFLs price tack ons. As Gryff mentioned, it's a cost of doing business.

Having a shop close down due to loss of revenue from fire arm transfer fees is like having a sandwich shop close because no one wants to up size to a large drink and instead ask for a water cup (a "service" that must be provided) . FFLs have other services and merch to offer.

Not to confuse anything that has been said, but I'm not accusing your business of doing this. I'm referring to others that do, and when confronted refuse to admit error, or even attempt to justify the add ons.
Another ignorant mistake from a CA gun owner. We aren?t talking about transfer fees here
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You wanted to be an FFL. Suck it up and understand that some things are the cost of doing business. It's not a service, so, no, you don't get to think in terms of profit/loss on it. It's a regulatory process that you are required to provide.

Don't like it? Go open a Subway, instead.



Where in the US is a private business forced to take a loss for performing a service for the government other than PPT?s?

Even a bank can charge you $35 for a bad check someone else gave you that you deposited
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According to taper, thats straight up "communist" "ideology" right there. LOL.
I know you?re not accusing me. I tack on no extra charges for PPT?s

It?s not a matter of going broke. It?s a government mandate on FFLs that make stores lose money. It?s not even the $10!

The bigger loss is when performing a ppt, you?re having to deal with that when you have 3-4 other customers waiting to buy a gun or ammo, get impatient or don?t have time to wait and leave without buying anything. It?s not just about the $10.

From a business standpoint it starts at $10 then escalates to what we pay employees theses days and then lost revenue to potential buyers that leave because they can?t wait for a PPT to finish.

Why do you think you hear people here complain about having to wait at a store to do a ppt because others are actually buying guns or the store can?t do them ?because their safe is full?

What I?m trying to explain is what, why and how this govt mandate is a problem in the industry.

Some of you may understand what I?m conveying others are like a rock and ponding on the wall ?I want my ppt? and ? I want it now for nothing?
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What fee for PPT's, would YOU charge, if you lawfully could ?????
What do you think would be fair? Please change the "X" to what you think the cost are.

1hr labor $xx.xx (not what you are paid but the cost of staff

copy / print 9 sheets $x.xx

File and retain the paperwork forever $x.xx

1% of the cost of the item co cover insurance (no getting around this)
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I normally try and stay out of these drama fights, but Taper's a good guy and shouldn't be the only one defending his position.

It's pretty ridiculous that we get $10 to do a PPT. Maybe FFLs before me were in cahoots with the State when that was enacted but that is certainly before my time. Yes I knew what I was in for when I got my FFL, and no I don't add any fees or service charges or whatever when I do a PPT. But its pretty CS that some of you out there give a FFL such grief over this.

Besides the issue Taper brought up, a PPT takes twice as long to process as a sale or transfer, especially if the seller and buyer don't show up at the same time. I do view PPTs as a way to start a business relationship but I also don't have to rely on my FFL for my only income.

What amazes me the most is the way some of you gripe about an extra $25 on what is probably at least a $500 transaction. I have a few customers who tip me because they know a PPT is a loss. Perhaps if more of you did that, fewer FFLs would be trying to find ways to avoid a loss.

I'm not calling any of you communists, but Taper's point is correct. Government setting a fixed price for any privately provided commodity or service is communistic. In capitalism the market determines the price based on availability and demand.

Go ahead and out the FFLs you don't like. But then don't 'itch when the number of FFLs in CA keeps declining. Personally, if I thought I was being overcharged I'd just walk out the door.
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Another ignorant mistake from a CA gun owner. We aren?t talking about transfer fees here
You get my point though. Yes I used the words "transfer fees," but the fact that you knew what I was talking about shows you know the problem at hand: tacking on extra charges for DROS. Dancing around the word game doesn't change what it is. (Though we know the .gov uses word dances for legalese)

Frankly I don't think the .gov should charge for transfers. No other right is "pay to play." We don't pay the .gov to speak freely, to vote, or gather. Why should the 2A be any different?
That +/-$50 per transaction should go straight to the shop.

I don't mind spending more money at a shop when I return to pick up. A few hundred rounds of ammo, more ammo boxes, cases, knives, etc even if I don't need anything, so I give more business to shops. You guys (FFLs) help us fight the good fight against komiefornia.

If I may, I believe most people here on CG feel this way ^
What they might be trying to say is they were already going to spend more on ammo, etc at that shop, but they don't like being "told" to spend more. Yes they could go elsewhere, but we all know how us CGers are
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You get my point though. Yes I used the words "transfer fees," but the fact that you knew what I was talking about shows you know the problem at hand: tacking on extra charges for DROS. Dancing around the word game doesn't change what it is. (Though we know the .gov uses word dances for legalese)

Frankly I don't think the .gov should charge for transfers. No other right is "pay to play." We don't pay the .gov to speak freely, to vote, or gather. Why should the 2A be any different?
That +/-$50 per transaction should go straight to the shop.

I don't mind spending more money at a shop when I return to pick up. A few hundred rounds of ammo, more ammo boxes, cases, knives, etc even if I don't need anything, so I give more business to shops. You guys (FFLs) help us fight the good fight against komiefornia.

If I may, I believe most people here on CG feel this way ^
What they might be trying to say is they were already going to spend more on ammo, etc at that shop, but they don't like being "told" to spend more. Yes they could go elsewhere, but we all know how us CGers are
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Nah, here?s the deal, MAYBE when two locals that come in or regular customers, it?s not a big deal. However if you facilitate a Calguns sale (using CGN as an example only because they have advertising here) you?ll get one guy living in NorCal and another in Cental Cal meeting at an FFL in the middle. They use us, cry about a possible lock and buy nothing, plus we never see them again.

I?d say 65% of PPTs spend nothing or never come back. It?s not even anything we?ve done. It?s just that we aren?t local to them. This isn?t complaining, it?s just the facts. According to bookkeeping, we spend $37 to accommodate a PPT. Even two boxes of ammo doesn?t put us in the black.
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Nah, here?s the deal, MAYBE when two locals that come in or regular customers, it?s not a big deal. However if you facilitate a Calguns sale (using CGN as an example only because they have advertising here) you?ll get one guy living in NorCal and another in Cental Cal meeting at an FFL in the middle. They use us, cry about a possible lock and buy nothing, plus we never see them again.

I?d say 65% of PPTs spend nothing or never come back. It?s not even anything we?ve done. It?s just that we aren?t local to them. This isn?t complaining, it?s just the facts. According to bookkeeping, we spend $37 to accommodate a PPT. Even two boxes of ammo doesn?t put us in the black.
OK, how much does advertising cost per person that walks through your doors? Do they all buy something? Now, having two people PAY you to walk in and one will return later will mean you have 3 walk ins that cost you nothing in advertising. Using your numbers, 1 of the 3 spends more money than just the PPT fees and possibly ends up being a repeat customer. That sounds like cheap advertising to me.
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I seriously doubt any FFL ever went out of business only because of PPTs. Pretty sure they go out of business because of competition or just not enough demand in their market. Having to charge extra fees to do PPTs to stay in business just sounds like a load of crap. I'm not buying it.

Personally, I don't think the state should require FFLs to conduct PPTs. I think its wrong that they put this on the FFLs. The state should run their own shops to do PPTs. And ALL CA taxpayers should pay for it not just gun owners. Making gun owners and/or FFLs pay for "gun safety" measures is a load of crap too.
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OK, how much does advertising cost per person that walks through your doors? Do they all buy something? Now, having two people PAY you to walk in and one will return later will mean you have 3 walk ins that cost you nothing in advertising. Using your numbers, 1 of the 3 spends more money than just the PPT fees and possibly ends up being a repeat customer. That sounds like cheap advertising to me.
No we?ve already done the numbers

Like I said in a prior post, when people are using you to meet half way from 40-50 miles away, it’s not advertising because they’re probably not coming back

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I seriously doubt any FFL ever went out of business only because of PPTs. Pretty sure they go out of business because of competition or just not enough demand in their market. Having to charge extra fees to do PPTs to stay in business just sounds like a load of crap. I'm not buying it.

Personally, I don't think the state should require FFLs to conduct PPTs. I think its wrong that they put this on the FFLs. The state should run their own shops to do PPTs. And ALL CA taxpayers should pay for it not just gun owners. Making gun owners and/or FFLs pay for "gun safety" measures is a load of crap too.
Guns stores run on small margins. I?m not saying people will go out of business but as I stated earlier, it does muck things up when you have to do a ppt and other paying customers are standing their watching and then leave because they can?t wait.

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Guns stores run on small margins. I?m not saying people will go out of business but as I stated earlier, it does muck things up when you have to do a ppt and other paying customers are standing their watching and then leave because they can?t wait.

Like in any business, all the small stuff adds up to making a business successful. Every little bit actually matters
So the truth is the FFLs that charge extra fees to do PPTs are doing it to discourage people from coming to their shop to do PPTs. It has nothing to do with needing to charge a fee to stay in business. I think everyone already knows this thats why consumers are frustrated. If this is the real reason, own it. Don't make up excuses that you need to charge fees for x or y. It all comes down to you hate PPTs and don't want to do them because they aren't buying a gun from you.
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No we?ve already done the numbers

Like I said in a prior post, when people are using you to meet half way from 40-50 miles away, it?s not advertising because they?re probably not coming back
So, you only have a problem with PPTs when both parties live 50 miles away? You haven't answered the question about advertising costs. What does it cost you in advertising to get one person into your store? BTW, I have been known to travel up to 200 miles to do a PPT and have ended up returning to some of those shops to make other purchases and/or referred other customers to those shops I thought were worth referring people to.
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So, you only have a problem with PPTs when both parties live 50 miles away? You haven't answered the question about advertising costs. What does it cost you in advertising to get one person into your store? BTW, I have been known to travel up to 200 miles to do a PPT and have ended up returning to some of those shops to make other purchases and/or referred other customers to those shops I thought were worth referring people to.
Listen, I have multiple stores and we we analyze the statistics. I have no reason to BS anyone here. The numbers are the numbers. I do radio advertising too.

No matter how you try to spell it out, our analysis is we lose $37 per PPT on average. That?s time spent on all facets of the transfer of a firearm. Period. Just wages alone spent on a ppt from start to deliver makes it a loser.
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So the truth is the FFLs that charge extra fees to do PPTs are doing it to discourage people from coming to their shop to do PPTs. It has nothing to do with needing to charge a fee to stay in business. I think everyone already knows this thats why consumers are frustrated. If this is the real reason, own it. Don't make up excuses that you need to charge fees for x or y. It all comes down to you hate PPTs and don't want to do them because they aren't buying a gun from you.
First of all, it?s clear you don?t know the first thing about running a business, secondly, I?ve already stated I don?t charge ANY extra fees. So, you?re arguing a moot point.

I?m telling you that PPTs cost FFLs money and there?s no other way to explain it. It costs on average $37 to complete a PPT. If you were in business would you want to perform a service that makes you lose money? A service that the government mandates and sets the fee? Go ahead and lie and tell us all how badly you would want to lose money Or next time you do a PPT just tip the FFL $37.00 since you don?t mind throwing your money away
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Oh god, no. Can you imagine the DMV running PPT's?!! There is zero reason transfers could not be done 100% online now days. Fill out the forms, E sign, Upload pics of the ID's, put it in the cart, pay with a credit card. At a MINIMUM all the paperwork could be done online ahead of time, your given a case number, seller walks in to a gun store, hand them the gun with the case number cover sheet you printed or is scanable off your phone, Maybe verify ID. FFL scans a barcode on the cover sheet and bingo the dros is started. Tell the seller to come in after 240 hours.

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Personally, I don't think the state should require FFLs to conduct PPTs. I think its wrong that they put this on the FFLs. The state should run their own shops to do PPTs. And ALL CA taxpayers should pay for it not just gun owners. Making gun owners and/or FFLs pay for "gun safety" measures is a load of crap too.
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It's a regulatory process that you are required to provide.
Exactly, it's not something any of us want to do. If you don't like it sue CA to have the regulation removed but don't take it out on your customers.
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Exactly, it's not something any of us want to do. If you don't like it sue CA to have the regulation removed but don't take it out on your customers.
Maybe if customers are more aware of the issue, we can get support to change the law. A lawsuit would only cost more money for a dealer. Getting the law changed would be a better route. Until then, dealers will continue to do what dealers need to do and customers (if that?s what you want to call a PPT?er) will have to deal with it.
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I hate to bad mouth FFLs cause we need as many as we can get but extra/unreasonable fees should not be tolerated.
I'm all for dragging their name through the mud. They absolutely knew what they were getting in to when they opened their shop. Then they decided that they didn't like it.

If they are stupid enough to pull illegal crap...on top of failing to take advantage of the potential add-on sales that PPTs offer, then let them win the entrepreneurial Darwin Award. Encourages us to find one that doesn't go full retard.
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What do you think would be fair? Please change the "X" to what you think the cost are.

1hr labor $xx.xx (not what you are paid but the cost of staff

copy / print 9 sheets $x.xx

File and retain the paperwork forever $x.xx

1% of the cost of the item co cover insurance (no getting around this)
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1hr labor $20 if hourly employee
Staffing cost or salieried = overhead

Copy / print 9 sheets of paper $ 37 cents
Ink = overhead

File and retain = Part of the PPT agreement

Insurance = overhead

Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $21 bucks if done by hourly worker
Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $11 bucks if done by salaried worker
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1hr labor $20 if hourly employee
Staffing cost or salieried = overhead

Copy / print 9 sheets of paper $ 37 cents
Ink = overhead

File and retain = Part of the PPT agreement

Insurance = overhead

Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $21 bucks if done by hourly worker
Total PPT Cost (less DROS), call it $11 bucks if done by salaried worker
$20 an hour??? You don?t think Social Security, unemployment and workers comp doesn?t inflate that.

Pretty clear you?ve never run a business. Now explain why a Large pizza is $36.00

Also explain why and how it’s OK for the State to charge $37.19 for DROS and do virtually nothing. You really should delete your post. It doesn’t enhance your knowledge of the subject

Plus you can’t just classify stuff as overhead when performing a ppt when a BUYER has to leave the store because they can’t wait and a sale is lost. It’s called a list sale AKA a loss of revenue

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I'm all for dragging their name through the mud. They absolutely knew what they were getting in to when they opened their shop. Then they decided that they didn't like it.

If they are stupid enough to pull illegal crap...on top of failing to take advantage of the potential add-on sales that PPTs offer, then let them win the entrepreneurial Darwin Award. Encourages us to find one that doesn't go full retard.
Hahaha! You?re the same guy living in CA complaining about The Roster, AW laws and 10 day waits! Quit complaining! You?re still in CA! You know what you?re getting into walking into a CA gun store
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Listen, I have multiple stores and we we analyze the statistics. I have no reason to BS anyone here. The numbers are the numbers. I do radio advertising too.

No matter how you try to spell it out, our analysis is we lose $37 per PPT on average. That?s time spent on all facets of the transfer of a firearm. Period. Just wages alone spent on a ppt from start to deliver makes it a loser.
I think we are getting somewhere. Since you are doing radio advertising, you should already have figured out how much you spend in advertising to get one person inside your store one time. Do you have that figure? Is it more than $12.50 (using your numbers)? If so, the amount your business is spending on each PPT is actually saving your business money in advertising.
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I think we are getting somewhere. Since you are doing radio advertising, you should already have figured out how much you spend in advertising to get one person inside your store one time. Do you have that figure? Is it more than $12.50 (using your numbers)? If so, the amount your business is spending on each PPT is actually saving your business money in advertising.
No and it?s inconsequential. Any negative money report is just that.

Example: If you are a union employee and the union takes your dues and uses it to fund liberal anti gun politicians. How do you feel about that? I, personally would consider that a double loss. One, they took my money and two, it?s also working against me.

If people come into my store to do a ppt, obviously I already advertised my existence or they wouldn?t have found my store.

Now that I?ve paid to advertise, and PPT?ers come in and to be fair here, don?t spend a penny more and live far enough away to not need to come back, I guess the loss on a ppt that I take should be added to lost revenue to my advertising budget. Hmmm, thanks for pointing that out
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What do you think would be fair? Please change the "X" to what you think the cost are.

1hr labor $xx.xx (not what you are paid but the cost of staff

copy / print 9 sheets $x.xx

File and retain the paperwork forever $x.xx

1% of the cost of the item co cover insurance (no getting around this)

Not to mention the insurance costs for storing firearms for 10 plus days. I really wonder if any of these complainers would work for $10.00 per PPT. Sorta doubt it.
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No and it?s inconsequential. Any negative money report is just that.

Example: If you are a union employee and the union takes your dues and uses it to fund liberal anti gun politicians. How do you feel about that? I, personally would consider that a double loss. One, they took my money and two, it?s also working against me.

If people come into my store to do a ppt, obviously I already advertised my existence or they wouldn?t have found my store.

Now that I?ve paid to advertise, and PPT?ers come in and to be fair here, don?t spend a penny more and live far enough away to not need to come back, I guess the loss on a ppt that I take should be added to lost revenue to my advertising budget. Hmmm, thanks for pointing that out
Hearing about a business and actually walking in the door are two different things. What does your advertising cost per person who walks through your doors?
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Hearing about a business and actually walking in the door are two different things. What does your advertising cost per person who walks through your doors?
It doesn?t matter. I advertise to get people into the store to buy stuff. Not cost $37 ever. If they already know I exist what?s the point of calculating cost per person if a PPT makes that figure a larger loss?
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Question… recently introduced to a new gun shop while doing a PPT.

The transfer took approximately 20 minutes.

When I returned 10 days later to pick up the firearm I also bought a Hornady lock box, Hoppes #9 and some CLP.

Used the same shop for a second PPT. 20 minutes or so again. 10 days later I bought another lock box.

Two weeks later I returned to this store (introduced to me through the first PPT) and I bought a Glock 26 and 1,000 rounds of 9mm.

I will return to this store for future needs and refer others because of the exceptional service I received on my first visit.

Lock box and cleaning supplies I could have and normally would have bought online. Same for the ammo.

Did this store lose money on me?
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It doesn?t matter. I advertise to get people into the store to buy stuff. Not cost $37 ever. If they already know I exist what?s the point of calculating cost per person if a PPT makes that figure a larger loss?
The $37 is only $27 since you get to keep $10 of the DROS. Now, for that $27, you get 3 people to walk in (The seller once and the buyer twice) and one WILL RETURN even if he/she is 50 miles or more away. So, in reality, you are paying $9 per walk in. Is that more or less than the other forms of advertising you do?
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The $37 is only $27 since you get to keep $10 of the DROS. Now, for that $27, you get 3 people to walk in (The seller once and the buyer twice) and one WILL RETURN even if he/she is 50 miles or more away. So, in reality, you are paying $9 per walk in. Is that more or less than the other forms of advertising you do?
Do you really think I didn?t already figure the $10 into the equation when my book keeper was involved?

I don?t care if 100 people walk into the store, if they don?t spend enough money to pay the bills, what?s the point? What other retailer in the history of retail stores would agree with you

Seriously, how does any government mandate that fixes prices for a retailer even make sense?

This is all about butt hurt gun owners pissed off because they want to demand exceptional service from a retailer who?s gonna lose money. If I?m wrong, then why do people complain continuously about treatment from FFLs when doing PPTs?

Why are you trying to convince people in an industry that they?re wrong and that PPTs are so great and enhancing for their business when the books show the opposite?

If PPTs were so great, I?d be on my ads howling at the moon about our PPT service! ? come into our store today! We?re doing a weekend sale on PPT?s! 20% off?
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