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Dispostion of C&R for Non-Licensee and Acquisition Questions
Do we still have to go through an FFL01 and file the 4473?
Also when we Acquire a Firearm that was shipped by a family member to our FFL03 how do we file it if hey are also an FFL03? Also what do we put for color for a wood stock and blued barrel Rifle?
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You will need to include much more detail on each of those separate questions. Type of gun, state you reside in, state that the person sending you the gun resides in, if sender and recipient are both CA residents whether a direct family relationship exists, etc.
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It is a FN Mauser manufactured in 1948. Bolt action in state CA transaction. I know I can do the intrafamilial transfer but would prefer to use my FFL03 on it.
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Unless some local law (which should be preempted) prohibits it, any seller in California can directly transfer the FN Mauser (50 years old) to someone who holds both a current C&R FFL and a current COE. The acquisition is logged into the buyer’s bound book and the buyer then submits the in-state acquisition form to the California DoJ.
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When we FFL03 dispose can we do it without going to an FFL01 if its from our own collection.?
Authorized: May acquire and dispose of curios or relics at any location. May dispose of curios and relics to a licensee or a nonlicensee residing in the same State, who is not otherwise prohibited by the GCA, and to any other Federal firearms licensee in any State.
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This would be to a non-licensee who is not a family member. Thanks for your time.
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Assuming you have a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE...
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Exemption to this: if the C&R firearm is a C&R long gun and the buyer has a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, then it can be done via cash & carry type transfer. [PC 27966] If you are selling the C&R firearm in another State, then it must be transferred to a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL or transferred through a FFL dealer in that State. [18 USC 922(a)(3)&(5)] Quote:
If the immediate family member is a CA resident and the C&R firearm is a C&R long gun, then submit either a "Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report" or a "Report of Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction" within 30 days of receiving the firearm. [PC 27875(a) and 27966] If the family member is not an immediate family member and is a CA resident and the C&R firearm is a C&R handgun, then the transfer must be done through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27545] If the family member is not an immediate family member and is a CA resident and the C&R firearm is a C&R long gun, then submit either a "Collector In-State Acquisition of Curio or Relic Long Gun Report" within 30 days of receiving the firearm. [PC 27966] If the family member is not a CA resident and the C&R firearm is being imported into CA, then it must be transferred through a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(a)] Exemption to this: if you physically leave CA, acquire the C&R firearm while out-of-state, bring the C&R firearm back to CA, and submit a "Curio or Relic Firearm Report" within 5 days of returning to CA. [PC 27585(b)(1) and 27565]
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After Acquiring the rifle and putting it in the books and on the CRIS through DOJ how long do I have to wait to dispose of it?
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If you acquire a C&R firearm from another C&R holder, youlist the persons C&R license number as who you acquired it from. You should also receive a copy of their C&R FFL license for your records.
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If you are inquiring about what color to use on a 4473, that would be the color of the receiver.
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Either way you still have to log it into your C&R bound book.
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If you acquired it with the internet to transfer it to another person, you have violated Federal law. It's unlawful to use your C&R license to buy firearms for others.
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I purchased it but after closer inspection noticed it was not int he shape I wanted it. I did not buy it for the intent of selling it.
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That would look like you were buying and selling and not collecting.
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Logically, brown for wood and blued for the barrel.
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Thanks everyone
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When disposing to a non licensee at FFL01 (Turners) in my book for my disposition do I put turners and address or FFL number or PPT and name of recipient and address?
Turners would not provide rheir ffl information
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As an FFL03 are we still limited to the 6 DROS per year for log guns?
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You are not disposing of it to the person. You are disposing of it to Turner's , who then transferred it to the person.
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Having a federal C&R license doesn't exempt you from all state laws.
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Still limited to: [PC 26520] 1. less than six transactions per calendar year. [PC 16730(a)(1)] 2. no more than 50 firearms total per calendar year. [PC 16730(a)(2)] However, transfers of C&R firearms, from a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, to CA FFL dealers are exempt from the limit amounts. [PC 26585] ^Selling C&R firearms to a CA FFL dealer.
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Thanks for the clarification. If we transfer from FFL03+COE to FFL03+COE it will not count either for C&R rifles only or am I misreading the text?
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If done in another State, transfers to a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL does not count toward your limit. In CA, as a person with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE, selling C&R firearms to a CA FFL dealer does not count toward your limit.
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Is it legal to buy a rifle while on vacation using you FFL03+COE and then ship it directly to yourself?
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I don't see why it would be a problem. You are allowed to acquire outside the state. You have 5 days after importing to file the form. It will ask the date you acquired it and the date it entered CA. It doesn't ask, and the PC doesn't mention "how" it comes into CA - whether driving it in, flying it in, or mailing it in. I'd be careful not to think that makes a loophole allowing you to buy a rifle, say on gunbroker, and have them ship it to you, claiming you "acquired it" out of state by the action of buying it. The intent of the way the PC is written clearly means you physically are in the other state when you acquire.
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What do I do with firearms that no no serial number? Do I just enter NSN on the form to file?
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