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Old 11-27-2020, 5:06 PM
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The covid remote school idea sucks. It is not working. The failure rate is way up. I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade. I did not realize how common it actually is. All this to protect the kids from an illness that has no impact on them. It is pure insanity. Please do not whine about the teachers' safety, the old ones could take sabbatical or retire early. The kids are far more important.

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Not only failing, wait until these studies and test score are REJECTED by most colleges as not REAL studies etc when they re-open later. I foresee that coming if others don't, ok, I do see it coming.

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The kids aren't failing. The parents are.

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Not only failing, wait until these studies and test score are REJECTED by most colleges as not REAL studies etc when they re-open later. I foresee that coming if others don't, ok, I do see it coming.

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It's actually very elementary.
No, I see it in my work as well (not school related at all). Our training facilities are remote now due to covid and test scores are down overall. Limited interaction with actual hands on learning, limited time spent in class, etc.
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It's because it's not a priority to the parents.

They want their daycare back.
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Don’t worry they will all get passing grades by the end of school year “because of covid”
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The covid remote school idea sucks. It is not working. The failure rate is way up. I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade. I did not realize how common it actually is.
It is very common -- however, it isn't impossible. Our test scores are actually slightly up over last year (K-8), within the noise band.

Of course, to do that we have a pretty heavy duty remote learning schedule. I can't daycare my kids at all because they're in class 8:30 - 1:30 and about two hours of work past that, and no daycare worker is going to keep them focused enough. So... the sooner this passes, the better...

I just finished a risk assessment for my schools and concluded that the risk of spreading events was quite low. There is, in my opinion, no evidence of heightened risk from the schools that have partially reopened, and what spread there has been there appears to be lateral between staff members, if it is indeed a real signal compared to the background rise overall. I'd be comfortable restarting partial in-class instruction with our existing preventions.

It's not going to happen, though. San Bernardino USD has already thrown in the towel for the rest of the school year, and I predict the other major districts around LA will follow suit in the next few weeks. After that we'll have a blanket order to keep them from looking bad. Hoping for better in 2021-2022.
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Schools need to remain open.They are safe..Even NY admits their mistake and says they're safe and are reopening.
I am happy with our public schools here and glad they are open...

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The California Teachers Association is supporting it.
https://www.cta.org/for-educators/co...unity-colleges
They do not care how it negatively impacts the kids.

It is not always about the parents, that statement is arrogant and ignorant. In my case I have one stellar student and one oppositional-defiant kid. She seems determined to blow it out of the water despite constant monitoring, pleading and offers of help. She refuses to do the work. Taking away the computer is no an option, it is the problem, but necessary for remote school. We have utilized all professional services available. She needs peer pressure and monitoring by a teacher in person. She is not unusual.

This is going to snowball in to more helpless adults addicted to social services. Mark my words.

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Not only failing, wait until these studies and test score are REJECTED by most colleges as not REAL studies etc when they re-open later. I foresee that coming if others don't, ok, I do see it coming.

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Most of the kids that aren't failing are simply googling as they test.

My son is B+/A- and not googling as he goes. He is frustrated with his classmates who are doing as well or better than he is without putting in the work.
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My son is B+/A- and not googling as he goes. He is frustrated with his classmates who are doing as well or better than he is without putting in the work.
Our grandson has the same work and load as if he was sitting in the classroom. He spends just as much time in his seat doing work as if he were at school. He has made the principal's honor roll again.
Parents need to assure their kids are putting in the work.
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The California Teachers Association is supporting it.
https://www.cta.org/for-educators/co...unity-colleges
They do not care how it negatively impacts the kids.

It is not always about the parents, that statement is arrogant and ignorant. In my case I have one stellar student and one oppositional-defiant kid. She seems determined to blow it out of the water despite constant monitoring, pleading and offers of help. She refuses to do the work. Taking away the computer is no an option, it is the problem, but necessary for remote school. We have utilized all professional services available. She needs peer pressure and monitoring by a teacher in person. She is not unusual.

This is going to snowball in to more helpless adults addicted to social services. Mark my words.
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It's a combination of factors which "in-school" mitigates, but doesn't necessarily alleviate.
  • Some parents are simply not 'qualified' to support the lessons; particularly with the Common Core approach that few, sometimes including the teachers themselves, truly understand.
  • Some kids are going to have an 'unadjustable' attitude toward school, no matter the reason. Bear in mind that they don't have to be 'bad' kids in that regard.
  • Many kids need hands-on and direct interaction and not every home can provide the resources to make that happen.
  • There are some kids who need, not necessarily peer pressure or monitoring, but the sense of 'competition' with their classmates; something that's a bit harder to get the sense of when the classmates aren't there.
  • There are those who will take advantage, no matter where they are, if they can get away with it.
  • Distractions which aren't present in school and that parents can't do anything about; e.g., young siblings crying, no space to dedicate and 'isolate' for schooling, etc.
  • Right on down the list.
Insofar as parents wanting their 'babysitters' back, while there is some truth in that, there is also the fact that many families today simply cannot afford or cannot 'schedule' someone to sit at home, taking care of the kids. It's no longer just inconvenient or difficult, it's flat out impossible.

There's also the fact that in some areas, there simply aren't the computers and connections available for the kids. It's not about choices made by the parents. It's that the infrastructure simply isn't there and, often, even if it is, it can't support the type of software being used to the degree necessary.

It's a mess and, given the politics, not one which is likely to be cleaned up soon.
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I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade.
So? Would you rather have the school let your failing kid move up a grade?
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Failing don’t make me laugh. Wife teaches 4th grade there is no failing the student even if no work is turned in. Not allowed to give failing grades on anything. They will advance the student to the next grade at the end of the year due to distance learning even if the do nothing but show up on line. Not sure what will happen if they are still in this distance learning BS next year.

Might be different in different states and grade levels but not where my wife teaches.

I did have a step nephew in CA pass his senior year last year even though just prior to the virus BS he was failing three classes. Because of the virus and the last part of the year with schools being closed he was allowed to pass and graduate. The virus actually saved him.
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It's a combination of factors which "in-school" mitigates, but doesn't necessarily alleviate.
  • Some parents are simply not 'qualified' to support the lessons; particularly with the Common Core approach that few, sometimes including the teachers themselves, truly understand.
  • Some kids are going to have an 'unadjustable' attitude toward school, no matter the reason. Bear in mind that they don't have to be 'bad' kids in that regard.
  • Many kids need hands-on and direct interaction and not every home can provide the resources to make that happen.
  • There are some kids who need, not necessarily peer pressure or monitoring, but the sense of 'competition' with their classmates; something that's a bit harder to get the sense of when the classmates aren't there.
  • There are those who will take advantage, no matter where they are, if they can get away with it.
  • Distractions which aren't present in school and that parents can't do anything about; e.g., young siblings crying, no space to dedicate and 'isolate' for schooling, etc.
  • Right on down the list.
Insofar as parents wanting their 'babysitters' back, while there is some truth in that, there is also the fact that many families today simply cannot afford or cannot 'schedule' someone to sit at home, taking care of the kids. It's no longer just inconvenient or difficult, it's flat out impossible.

There's also the fact that in some areas, there simply aren't the computers and connections available for the kids. It's not about choices made by the parents. It's that the infrastructure simply isn't there and, often, even if it is, it can't support the type of software being used to the degree necessary.

It's a mess and, given the politics, not one which is likely to be cleaned up soon.
Good post.
My observation:

I have friends and relatives that teach. The current environment is unprecedented. They are doing the best they can. I am confident there are some teachers that are not willing, for whatever reason. Students are in such a huge mix of circumstances. Families, students, and teachers all have to work together for things to work well. The concept/goal of working together isn't always present. Some families are just doing the best they can to survive. Actions taken by forces outside the families' control are also affecting their lives.
I hope this situation gets better soon.
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You silly silly boy.

In CRAPOFORNIA, the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS TEACHERS SALARIES AND PENSIONS.

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The covid remote school idea sucks. It is not working. The failure rate is way up. I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade. I did not realize how common it actually is. All this to protect the kids from an illness that has no impact on them. It is pure insanity. Please do not whine about the teachers' safety, the old ones could take sabbatical or retire early. The kids are far more important.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/...ance-learning/

Same here, My 10y/o nephew is a straight-A student, but his first report card online schooling is almost all D's. It is a real cluster fk. I have sat down with him a few times and it is confusing and distracting. Between the technical issues both on the teacher's end and on the student's side, then the fact they have the kids doing online assignments on several different sites/programs and trying to navigate them just to find out what the dang assignment is then trying to figure out how to do the said assignment online, kids on zoom with super loud mics that drown out the teacher whenever they say something, not being able to find the online assignments that are supposed to be due, etc. Heck, more than a few times he could not even log on to the class because the system would not accept his login. It's a mess, I try to help him when I can but he gets frustrated, it makes everything so confusing and complicated. When the kid is in class he kicks ***, I spent more than one morning trying for nearly an hour just trying to get him into the zoom. It has been glitchy. Then the teacher always has an attitude because she is frustrated as hell as well because she spends most of her time trying to figure stuff out and trying to help individual kids with their video or mic issues or trying to figure out what paper they are supposed to have for this lesson etc. And many of the videos the teacher plays, the volume is so dang low you can barely hear it and then there are assignments where the font is so small you can barely read it and can not change it. It's just a mess.

And it is hard enough for kids to stay focused in class but I can see on the zoom you have kids with little brothers and sisters screaming in the background or trying to play with the kid in zoom. The kids need to be back in school.

I feel bad for my nephew because he just moved here and started at a brand new school, they just built it and it is really nice, He made lots of friends and likes his teachers. now he can't even go to that great new school down the street. Only gets to see a few of his friends online etc. Not just their grades suffering but they need to be able to play and socialize in person.
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You silly silly boy.

In CRAPOFORNIA, the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS TEACHERS SALARIES AND PENSIONS.

and, THE POLITICAL POWER OF THEIR UNION

This is correct. There is ZFG for the children.


Children are nothing more than marketing props for a vast money laundering scheme which converts tax dollars into campaign contributions for democrats.


This is fact.
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Please do not whine about the teachers' safety, the old ones could take sabbatical or retire early. The kids are far more important.

Why don't you just take a sabbatical from your job or just retire early and stay home and raise/school your own children?

Terribly selfish attitude towards others you have there.
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On top of all that folks like us who live out in the sticks have spotty internet so half the time their platform just doesn't work.

My kids spend most of the time learning practical skills like automotive maintenance and repair, driving a tractor, electrical and plumbing repair, gardening.

We are making making syrup tapping our trees.

How to properly start a fire - it's suprising how many can't.

We ho through the local newspaper and I show how biased the reporting is and how to cross reference and fact check or just apply common sense - so far have not found a single unbiased article.

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Why don't you just take a sabbatical from your job or just retire early and stay home and raise/school your own children?

Terribly selfish attitude towards others you have there.
I did. I retired earlish a couple of years ago. My wife has stayed home since the kids were born. Raising the kids is the most important job. Living on less money is an easy sacrifice.

For working parents the part time school is a huge mess. It does not work. Many young children are being left at home by themselves. The parents have no other choice.

Closing the schools because a few older teachers and staff could be at risk IS terribly selfish. Those people need to step aside for younger less susceptible people. This is a red herring, we no know that children being "asymptomatic super spreaders" is 100% BS. As I said before and linked, the teachers' union is cutting a fat hog on this one. They have no intention of backing off. They don't care about he kids, they exploit them.

After skimming others' posts I am reminded of a frustration I have with modern school. At my kids' school there are no paper text books. Dim bulbs got the idea that going paperless was PC and smart. In fact it is a profoundly stupid idea. Using screens gives the kids and easy opportunity to jump on the internet or a game to mess around. For some it is irresistible. It becomes and obsession. With no screens and paper book the must focus and are easily monitored. The parent can step in as the teacher as needed. Just sit them down at the kitchen table and make them get it done. Give a reward to finish, it works. 15 hours of screen time a day is extremely damaging. A lot of kids are on the screen all day. If they were doing school work they would be A+ students,

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After skimming others' posts I am reminded of a frustration I have with modern school. At my kids' school there are no paper text books. Dim bulbs got the idea that going paperless was PC and smart. In fact it is a profoundly stupid idea. Using screens gives the kids and easy opportunity to jump on the internet or a game to mess around. For some it is irresistible. It becomes and obsession. With no screens and paper book the must focus and are easily monitored. The parent can step in as the teacher as needed. Just sit them down at the kitchen table and make them get it done. Give a reward to finish, it works. 15 hours of screen time a day is extremely damaging. A lot of kids are on the screen all day. If they were doing school work they would be A+ students,
Once you understand that the children are meaningless and to a lesser extent the teachers as well, it all make sense. The paperless learning accomplishes the same ends as does the common core, to reduce the necessity of teachers to nothing. The goal is to literally be able to take on fired McDonald’s workers and put them in front of a class of children for the express purpose of converting tax dollars > salaries > dues > democrat reelection. Education doesn’t even enter into the equation other than as props for the screen.

the real danger is that soon we will learn that the “teaching” roll in this scheme can be outsourced to India.

Once that happens the unions will become irrelevant. The only difficulty will be transferring Indian teaching contract money into campaign coffers.

If the teachers and students can stay at home yet still produce union dues, all other activities are irrelevant.

Hopefully and ironically, the union thugs MAY come to the rescue IF they figure out there will be no chair for them WHEN the music stops.
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Why don't you just take a sabbatical from your job or just retire early and stay home and raise/school your own children?

Terribly selfish attitude towards others you have there.

All this time most big box stores have been open and maybe some people of certain age or health risks have quit or changed job - IDK. But I do see plenty of people working in these big stores mingling among hundreds of random shoppers per day. Some have a ridiculous plastic wall to work behind, most others are still doing what they have always done- interact with customers. These people are not all hermits and orphans- they go home to other people as well. All we're asking teachers to do is to be in the same classroom with the same 25+ kids each day with common sense precautions. At least in K-5. Nothing is perfect but this seems much less of a risk to me than what's going on down at the local Home Depot store every day.
IMO- if the schools are all closed them these big box stores and malls should be as well. In person schools are about as essential of a business as it gets.
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After skimming others' posts I am reminded of a frustration I have with modern school. At my kids' school there are no paper text books. Dim bulbs got the idea that going paperless was PC and smart. In fact it is a profoundly stupid idea. Using screens gives the kids and easy opportunity to jump on the internet or a game to mess around. For some it is irresistible. It becomes and obsession. With no screens and paper book the must focus and are easily monitored. The parent can step in as the teacher as needed. Just sit them down at the kitchen table and make them get it done. Give a reward to finish, it works. 15 hours of screen time a day is extremely damaging. A lot of kids are on the screen all day. If they were doing school work they would be A+ students,
Paperless?? That is ridiculous. Our teachers and TAs have been working hard to assemble workbooks, along with sealed envelopes with "experiments" (things like data sheets, paper cutouts with mock fossils, a few squares of bubble gum, etc.) every few weeks. We also have ten minute breaks after every 35 minutes of instruction. The kids get to see their teacher briefly when we pick up the bags. Without those kinds of perks and attractions I can't imagine very many kids are able to maintain focus.

Some unexpected patterns are emerging on who can use distance learning and who can't. My daughter has some defiance and self-consciousness issues, but distance learning is actually working well for her, since she feels more in control over telecons. My son, on the other hand, is highly empathetic and he seriously misses being with the gang, so he's struggling a bit. Our SPED kids are actually doing pretty well, though we are trying to open up in-class learning one-on-one with them through an exemption right now; not sure if that's going to be accepted, though.
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I have 13 and 14 year olds,in private and public schols in Monterey. Both were A students before, and are A students now. Covid sux ***, but, what can be changed? By us?
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In CRAPOFORNIA, the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS TEACHERS SALARIES AND PENSIONS.

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Blame it on the on California’s No Child Left Behind policy which slows down the curriculum of all students based upon the ability of the slowest student and also the lowering of standards just to insure the more kids are passing. As a concerned parent, I would invest in a tutoring program to have your kids up to speed or homeschool them. I wouldn’t go as far as to blame COVID for the situation; it just exposed the holes and shortcomings of the California education system more than before.
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Failing don’t make me laugh. Wife teaches 4th grade there is no failing the student even if no work is turned in. Not allowed to give failing grades on anything. They will advance the student to the next grade at the end of the year due to distance learning even if the do nothing but show up on line. Not sure what will happen if that are still in this distance learning BS next year.

Might be different in different states and grade levels but not where my wife teaches.

I did have a step nephew in CA pass his senior year last year even though just prior to the virus BS he was failing three classes. Because of the virus and the last part of the year with schools being closed he was allowed to pass and graduate. The virus actually saved him.


I can sense your sarcasm as California ranks #50 in the states, but we are doing are next generation a disservice by not speaking up and fixing the broken system
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It's because it's not a priority to the parents.

They want their daycare back.
not all, but in addition - reading, writing, computation
is replaced with sjw ideology (anti-racism/social justice)
In low performing schools, it's even worse. No future.
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The covid remote school idea sucks. It is not working. The failure rate is way up. I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade. I did not realize how common it actually is. All this to protect the kids from an illness that has no impact on them. It is pure insanity. Please do not whine about the teachers' safety, the old ones could take sabbatical or retire early. The kids are far more important.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/...ance-learning/
Consider private school. What you are witnessing is the control that Dems want over everyday life. The only way to take back control and help your child is to yank the child from public school and get the kid into private school. There are a lot of choices, but choose fast as lots of folks are dropping the socialist/dem/lib/union puclic school system for private schools.
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How can kids be failing grades if they’re not even receiving grades on the work that they don’t have to turn in?
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Consider private school. What you are witnessing is the control that Dems want over everyday life. The only way to take back control and help your child is to yank the child from public school and get the kid into private school. There are a lot of choices, but choose fast as lots of folks are dropping the socialist/dem/lib/union puclic school system for private schools.
They are in a private Christian school. It going to cost me $17 grand to repeat the grade. She must turn in the work and must pass the tests. Otherwise she fails.
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The covid remote school idea sucks. It is not working. The failure rate is way up. I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade. I did not realize how common it actually is. All this to protect the kids from an illness that has no impact on them. It is pure insanity. Please do not whine about the teachers' safety, the old ones could take sabbatical or retire early. The kids are far more important.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/...ance-learning/
Here is a link I just posted in another thread about this topic. It is from the Sonoma schools and gives the same trend.

http://www.sonomawest.com/sonoma_wes...229e7f1a8.html

“I would say, based on the conversations I’ve had with other administrators and other superintendents, it is consistent across the county. It’s like a four-time increase in Ds and Fs,” she said. “There are a couple of different ways you can think about it. Is it a wake-up call to kids? Is it a question of grading practices? "

It seems that, as usual, the "educators" can't see the clear reason behind the trend. Blame the kids? Blame "grading practices"? How about considering that there is little to no teaching happening right now, with kids being held to the same standard as if there HAD BEEN education.
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The covid remote school idea sucks. It is not working. The failure rate is way up. I have a child that will probably have to repeat 8th grade. I did not realize how common it actually is. All this to protect the kids from an illness that has no impact on them. It is pure insanity. Please do not whine about the teachers' safety, the old ones could take sabbatical or retire early. The kids are far more important.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/11/...ance-learning/
Move to Orange County! My kids been in school since September and the OC school board even voted to allow on site schooling to remain when we went purple tier 2 weeks ago.
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