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Old 08-03-2022, 6:01 PM
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Hello I'd like to reload ammo for my old man's MARLIN LEVER rifle, now that's he passed I'd like to squeeze off a few to remember the old times.
It's hard to find box ammo so if I did invest in a single stage set up
My resorch for components so far is
Large rifle primers like CCI 200
Brass from gun show and ammo I ratholed
IMR 4350 smokeless powder
30 30 slugs look to be hard to find but one site did have for 54$ /500 pcs plus 22$ shipping

Found some great utoob videos for 30 30 reloading.
New used reloading gear, dies ,etc is treasure hunting I have the patience for.
Any particular parts of reloading setup I want to buy new vs used?
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30-30 Winchester is easy and fun to reload.

IMR4350 is a little slow of a powder for the cartridge. WW748 is my preferred powder. It works great with jacketed bullets from 125 through 170 grains yielding factory ballistics and accuracy. Other great powders include IMR3031 & BLC2.

Get a few reloading manuals and don’t exceed the maximum listed loads.

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I've seen used dies and some tools in reloading section for good price . But I would get a book used or new and start reading . For your purpose , can't go wrong with lee anniversary kit . Nothing fancy , but it comes with just about everything you need . You'll need some good caliper tho

Here's something you can check out as well

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30-30 Winchester is easy and fun to reload.

IMR4350 is a little slow of a powder for the cartridge. WW748 is my preferred powder. It works great with jacketed bullets from 125 through 170 grains yielding factory ballistics and accuracy. Other great powders include IMR3031 & BLC2.

Get a few reloading manuals and don’t exceed the maximum listed loads.

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Yep your right 4350 powder is said to be slow burning?
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110 grain .30 carbine bullets work really well for 30-30, are easy to find, are inexpensive, and are accurate.
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Yep your right 4350 powder is said to be slow burning?
4895, H335, Bl C2 all work great in the 30-30
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110 grain .30 carbine bullets work really well for 30-30, are easy to find, are inexpensive, and are accurate.
These have the blunt points?
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A collection of reloading manuals but some links may be bad.


ADI Powders 9th Edition (2016) (PDF)

ABC's of Reloading (Lee Precision) 7th Edition (PDF)

Accurate Powder's website

Accurate Powder Load Manual (2003) (PDF)

Accurate Powders (Edition 3.5) (PDF)

Alliant Powder Reloading Manual 1996 (PDF)

Alliant Powder's 2019 Reloader's Guide (PDF)

BarnesBullets.com

Castpics.net (A collection of links to a LOT of old manuals. Check it out!)

Complete Guide to Handloading (Sharpe, 1937) (This is in a weird format, but it's usable)

Federal Premium's Website - Handgun Load Data

Handloader Magazine (Dec. 2011) .45 Colt Data (PDF)

Handloader Magazine (Aug 2005) .44 Special Data (PDF)

Hodgdon Reloading Website (possibly the most popular reloading site on the 'net)

Hodgdon Basic Reloader's Manual 2002 (PDF)

Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, 3rd Edition (PDF)

Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, 4th Edition (PDF)

Hornady's "Reloading for Handgunners" (2011) (PDF)

IMR Handloader's Guide (PDF)

LeeLoader.com - A collection of the load data sheets provided with Lee Loader sets

John Linebaugh's website on .45 Colt Reloading

Laser-Cast Reloading Manual, 1st Edition (Oregon Trail Bullet Co.) (PDF)

Lovex Reloading Manual 2019 (PDF)

Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook, 3rd Edition (1980) (PDF)

Lyman Reloading, 38th Edition (1951) (PDF)

Lyman Reloading, 40th Edition (1955) (PDF)

Lyman Reloading, 44th Edition (1967) (PDF)

Lyman Reloading, 48th Edition (2002) (PDF)

M.D. Smith Reloading Website (An impressive collection of loads, tested by the site's proprietor)

Modern Reloading by Richard Lee, 1st Edition (PDF)

Modern Reloading by Richard Lee, 2nd Edition (2003) (PDF)

NATO Reloading Website (Lots of 9mm data)

Nosler Bullets' website

NRA Cast Bullets Supplement No. 1 (1981) (PDF)

NRA Illustrated Reloading Handbook (1960) (PDF)

One Book One Caliber - The Complete Reloading Manual for the .357 Magnum (2004) (PDF)

Ramshot.com's website

Royal Scot Reloading, 1st Edition (1988) (PDF)

Shooters World Powder Reloading Guide (PDF)

ShootingTimes.com - Reloading the .380 ACP (short article with barebones load data)

Speer.com Handgun Reloading Website

Speer Reloading Manual, 12th Edition (1995) (PDF)

Vectan Powders, 6th Edition (PDF)

Vihtavuori.com Reloading Website

Vihtavuori Reloading Manual 2019 (PDF)

Western Powders (Accurate and Ramshot Powders) 5th Edition (PDF)

Western Powders (Accurate and Ramshot Powders) 6th Edition (PDF)

Winchester Reloader's Manual, 15th Edition (1997) (PDF)
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These have the blunt points?
Yup, round nose.
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Not sure if IMR 4350 is an adequate powder for 30-30. Looking at my data I can't find any that use 4350. Leverlution, Accurate 2015, Winchester 748, and H335 would be more suitable.

Also the 110 grain m1 carbine bullets work in a 30-30. Now the projectiles you found are they lead or jacketed? Grafs seems to have some cheap Berry's at $0.17 a bullet for a 150 grain. https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog...roductId/23322
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These have the blunt points?
I can’t tell you to ignore a long time safety practice. With modern primers the likely hood of setting a round off in the tube is near zero. Any bullet with a round nose is fine loaded in the tube.
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OP---Where are you located? I may be able to help you
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Hello I'd like to reload ammo for my old man's MARLIN LEVER rifle, now that's he passed I'd like to squeeze off a few to remember the old times.
It's hard to find box ammo so if I did invest in a single stage set up
My resorch for components so far is
Large rifle primers like CCI 200
Brass from gun show and ammo I ratholed
IMR 4350 smokeless powder
30 30 slugs look to be hard to find but one site did have for 54$ /500 pcs plus 22$ shipping

Found some great utoob videos for 30 30 reloading.
New used reloading gear, dies ,etc is treasure hunting I have the patience for.
Any particular parts of reloading setup I want to buy new vs used?
How many reloading manuals do you have?
Start there.

You want new bullets, powder, primers and case tumbler media.
Everything else can be used.
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These have the blunt points?
30 carbine bullets are roundnose.
They are not flat like a typical 30-30 cartridge uses.

Tube magazine firearms should use flat point bullets because the point of the bullet rests against the primer of the cartridges in the magazine and recoil causes the magazine stack to jump forward and backwards with every shot fired.

This should be well covered in reloading manuals if you read the "how to reload" sections.
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I use Oregon Trail hard cast for the .30-30 and .32 Spl., very good bullets and not pricey. Varget is the powder I use.
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As was asked, what exactly are the bullets you purchased?

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OP---Where are you located? I may be able to help you
I live in Napa County and haven't bought any components yet, I'm shopping tho and threw out a price for 30 30 slugs I found on a site.

What got me to look more into it is the price and lack of avail. Ammo.
My local reloader business wouldn't take my 30 30 brass cuz he didn't have the components. Also my local big5 was gonna get a single box of win 30 30 for 36$ a box. Jiminy crickets! R4mag pistol ammo is another that's becoming more extinct by the year?
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30 carbine bullets are roundnose.
They are not flat like a typical 30-30 cartridge uses.

Tube magazine firearms should use flat point bullets because the point of the bullet rests against the primer of the cartridges in the magazine and recoil causes the magazine stack to jump forward and backwards with every shot fired.

This should be well covered in reloading manuals if you read the "how to reload" sections.
So roundnose is a nogo .
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So roundnose is a nogo .
Have you seen ANY factory ammo with a round nose bullet, either lead or copper jacketed?
All the factory 30-30 ammo I have seen with lead or jacketed tips have flat noses.

And for the smartie pants who might post a link to Hornady FTX bullets or ammo, I am not talking about rubber tipped bullets which are made specifically to be used in tubular magazines.

Roundnose lead or jacketed or even pointed lead or jacketed bullets are fine in 30-30 if you never load more than 1 of them in the magazine tube.
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OP, start by reading the Stickies at the top of this reloading forum. Great information to start with.

The go get a reloading book. I started years ago with a Speer book. Others here have recommended the Lyman book frequently. A lot of books are available online now, although some have a fee.

Personally I like to have at least two books to compare loads and notes. Right now I have Speer, Hornady, Sierra, and Ken Waters "Pet Loads".

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I don't think they stack in the magazine perfectly nose to primer either. I have some old Remington corelokt 32 special and the meplat even though its supposed to be a flat point, is fairly round is smaller than the primer diameter, .149.
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Have you seen ANY factory ammo with a round nose bullet, either lead or copper jacketed?
Factory round nose lever gun ammo is pretty common.

Remington makes 30-30 with the Core-Lokt bullet:



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Hello I'd like to reload ammo for my old man's MARLIN LEVER rifle, now that's he passed I'd like to squeeze off a few to remember the old times.
It's hard to find box ammo so if I did invest in a single stage set up
My resorch for components so far is
Large rifle primers like CCI 200
Brass from gun show and ammo I ratholed
IMR 4350 smokeless powder
30 30 slugs look to be hard to find but one site did have for 54$ /500 pcs plus 22$ shipping

Found some great utoob videos for 30 30 reloading.
New used reloading gear, dies ,etc is treasure hunting I have the patience for.
Any particular parts of reloading setup I want to buy new vs used?
OP, if your local and you get all of equipment needed to reload I can help you out with all of the components. I have all of the stuff to load 30-30, I just don't have a gun that shoots 30-30. I sold my 94AE and haven't picked up a replacement.
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OP, if your local and you get all of equipment needed to reload I can help you out with all of the components. I have all of the stuff to load 30-30, I just don't have a gun that shoots 30-30. I sold my 94AE and haven't picked up a replacement.
ARGHHH!!! Mark, when did you sell that? Now you HAVE to get another one.
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Hey brother....I think I'll hold out for a Ruglin 336.

I'm not going to pay crazy prices for a $500.00-$600.00 gun ..

I'd love to find a 1959 Winchester 94. They seem to come up on GB at the worst time for me.
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Have you seen ANY factory ammo with a round nose bullet, either lead or copper jacketed?
All the factory 30-30 ammo I have seen with lead or jacketed tips have flat noses.

And for the smartie pants who might post a link to Hornady FTX bullets or ammo, I am not talking about rubber tipped bullets which are made specifically to be used in tubular magazines.

Roundnose lead or jacketed or even pointed lead or jacketed bullets are fine in 30-30 if you never load more than 1 of them in the magazine tube.
Factories do things out of a worst case scenario mentality.
Round nose with modern rifle primers are fine. If the primers were that sensitive the would have more rounds going off in the factories.
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I consider this a good deal on the proper bullets. Use code: 1776 for 30% off.

https://americanreloading.com/30-cal...jsp-500ct.html

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30 carbine bullets are roundnose.
They are not flat like a typical 30-30 cartridge uses.

Tube magazine firearms should use flat point bullets because the point of the bullet rests against the primer of the cartridges in the magazine and recoil causes the magazine stack to jump forward and backwards with every shot fired.

This should be well covered in reloading manuals if you read the "how to reload" sections.
So I'm looking thru the .308 slugs on websites and if I find flatnose slugs am I good togo depending on length of slug?
Whats the correct length thats safe to use. Or does length matter?

I called a local shop next town over, guy very nicely told me I picked the worst time to reload and even worse to reload 30 30.
I guess I'll have tobe the that vulture outside the aprtamans wherehouse hoping for powder n large rifle primers. Lolz
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So I'm looking thru the .308 slugs on websites and if I find flatnose slugs am I good togo depending on length of slug?
Whats the correct length thats safe to use. Or does length matter?

I called a local shop next town over, guy very nicely told me I picked the worst time to reload and even worse to reload 30 30.
I guess I'll have tobe the that vulture outside the aprtamans wherehouse hoping for powder n large rifle primers. Lolz
Anything flatnose should be good and appearantly there are some roundnose with small flats on them too.
You typically stick to 140-190gr bullets in 30-30.
Lighter bullets are very short and typically intended for 30carbine.

Bullets intended for lever actions will usually have a cannelure.



You seat so that the cannelure is centered on the case mouth and you crimp into the cannelure.
This is done to prevent bullet setback.
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I consider this a good deal on the proper bullets. Use code: 1776 for 30% off.

https://americanreloading.com/30-cal...jsp-500ct.html
That is a good deal , anybody vouch for this website?
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That is a good deal , anybody vouch for this website?
Those bullets are pulled.
That means they came out of loaded ammo.

Pulled bullets do not have the same value as new bullets because they are partially used.
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Those bullets are pulled.
That means they came out of loaded ammo.

Pulled bullets do not have the same value as new bullets because they are partially used.
So they say, but in this particular case, IMO, they don't appear to have been pulled. I could find no evidence of them having ever been loaded.
I was well satisfied. No risk, no reward, and in the OP's case should fill the bill nicely. I believe these to be a Speer product but that's just me.
Maybe I was just lucky and the next batch won't be the same, it is a possibility. For blasting ammo I think it worth the dice roll.

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I found the 30-30 case to be stretchy and need frequent trimming to keep it in specs.
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So they say, but in this particular case, IMO, they don't appear to have been pulled. I could find no evidence of them having ever been loaded.
I was well satisfied. No risk, no reward, and in the OP's case should fill the bill nicely. I believe these to be a Speer product but that's just me.
Maybe I was just lucky and the next batch won't be the same, it is a possibility. For blasting ammo I think it worth the dice roll.
where are you located? I don't shoot my 94 much but I'd like go buy a handfull if you buy another 500. seriously though, at $94 that's fairly cheep.

for the 94, I'm fine with pulled, it's not a tack driver and without lead free, I can't even hunt with it in California


To the point of avoiding spitzer and RN, Randal is right. Sure, the chances of setting one off with a RN is low but if one goes, they all goes and that's going to be a very bad day. stick with FP which can be tricky to find in lead-free I spent a long time finding 117 lead free FP's in 25 cal for my dad's 94


I've loaded up some 150 RNSP/31 grains Varget. I got like 2,200 FPS but I wouldn't recommend that load and I only loaded 1 at a time
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Actually $66.50 with the 30% off. No sales tax and free shipping. Can't beat it!
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Barnes makes lead free[TSX] 150gr flat nose bullets specifically for the 30-30.
These work rather well in my Mod 94. For plinking, other bullets will do fine, as long as they're FN type. Light to medium crimp needed.

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I used to load Sierra 125 grain spritzers in my 30-30 guns. Very accurate at about 2500 FPS. But because they are pointy, I only carried one in the chamber and one in the magazine.

A favorite cheap plinking load is the Speer 100 grain Plinker or Hornady 100 grain Short Jacket over ~10 grains of Unique. Cheap, fun and accurate. Like shooting a 30 M1 Carbine.
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That is a good deal , anybody vouch for this website?
They are good to go..... but those bullets are OOS. If you got them, then you got a great deal.

$95 - 30% = $66.50 for 500, delivered. That's a little over 13 cents a bullet. You will not notice any accuracy difference between new and pulled bullets in a 30-30, they are not bench rest guns.

You do want to make sure whatever bullet you decide on has a cannelure. Set-back is a real thing, and I've seen it happen with lever guns when shooting bullets that were crimped but with no cannelure. You want to try to avoid that.

Also - the two "typical bullet weights you'll find for 30-30 are 150gr and 170gr. Those are the two "factory offerings, although other weights are available and can be used. I use the 110gr carbine bullets a lot, and there is a semi-jacketed 100 gr "plinker" available, as well as others.
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