Sheriff Gore Aims to Issue More Concealed Gun Permits in San Diego County

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Casual_Shooter

You are obviously very dedicated to this cause, but I can't help but wonder why you seem to gloss over the basic requirements of his good cause requirements. e.g. Did you not bold the part about "Occupation or Business" for a reason?

Yeah, because, I assume, that doesn't apply to you like it wouldn't apply to me.

Remember, the policy is just a guideline. Humans have to interpret and apply it. If they brought it up, I'd say whether I'm getting paid or not is irrelevant to the risk I face and my need for a CCW.

Focus on that part about putting you at risk more than the average person ("subject to personal risk and / or criminal attack, greater than the general population"). You don't have to be the target of a Mafia hitman (an A+ GC), just someone who would be at higher than average risk (a C+ GC).

Plus, what was posted months ago may or may not be what's currently being practiced. The IT guy probably only updates their webpages every month or so, assuming Gore/subordinate even submitted a revision/update.

You, like it or not, have a weak GC. But, given the positive postings I quoted of people being issued and the lack of negative postings (at least that I've seen), if I were you, I'd give it my best shot and go for it! After all, on the one hand you may get denied and be out, IIRC, less than $100. But on the other hand you may squeak by and get a 2 yr CA CCW!



If I were you, I'd spend time going over what I do and where I go and what I have with me (valuables) for an entire month to try to work up by best possible GC and then apply.

Wish you the best!

[Nachoman]

How about all those applications that flooded the sheriff's office after Peruta, are those still active or do we need to submit a new one? My address has changed and I wonder if they just chucked them all.

[Casual_Shooter]

Originally Posted by Nachoman

How about all those applications that flooded the sheriff's office after Peruta, are those still active or do we need to submit a new one? My address has changed and I wonder if they just chucked them all.

I asked the same question earlier... Here was Paladin's reply.

Originally Posted by Paladin

IIRC, if you used only "self-defense"/similar as your GC statement, you can (1) abandon your application. (2) Have them process it w/SD as your GC and get denied. (3) Or, you can revise & elaborate on your GC and pay the fees and have it processed.

I'm not sure what happened/happens if you submitted an application but did not get in touch with them post-Peruta to tell them what you wanted to do. Just call the Sheriff’s License Division at 858-974-2020

In other words, if you used Self Protection etc for your good cause, nothing has changed.

[Paladin]

Cross posting some REALLY "good news" from San Diego County Gun Owners PAC:

Originally Posted by SD County Gun Owners PAC

Since the changes San Diego County Gun Owners PAC forced in September the average applications have gone from 10 a month to over 10 a day and not one person has been turned down due to good cause. We know of hundreds of approved applications and their "good cause" never would have passed before September.
I encourage all San Diego residents to not believe the progress we've seen. Please, be sceptical. Please apply and report back.
Use this video to apply:
Watch "Applying for your CCW in San Diego _ Step by Step w/Additional Info" on YouTube

and

[Paladin]

rice_man posted this interview with Gore in another thread. It's from last week. Gore says he's now got a 94% approval rate for CCWs, has had 186 applications in first 3 months of this year and only turned down 6! (and none of those were for insufficient GC)

https://kogo.iheart.com/featured/the...ersy-and-ccws/

The first 4:40 min is re. ICE and illegal aliens, 4:40 to 10 min re. CCWs and the rest re. various other SDSO issues.

[CessnaDriver]

Originally Posted by Paladin

rice_man posted this interview with Gore in another thread. It's from last week. Gore says he's now got a 94% approval rate for CCWs, has had 186 applications in first 3 months of this year and only turned down 6!

https://kogo.iheart.com/featured/the...ersy-and-ccws/

The first 4:40 is re. ICE and illegal aliens, 4:40 to 10 min re. CCWs and the rest re. various other issues.

Impressive change.
I'm quite optimistic my justification is going to fly then.

[diverwcw]

Originally Posted by baranski

If he issues, I really have no other issues with him.

Once the election is over, things will change. He will forget what he said.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by diverwcw

Once the election is over, things will change. He will forget what he said.

I fully expect him to run, win as the incumbent, then retire. He'll name a hand-picked successor, just like Kolender did for him (or Kolender's caretakers, as he was deep into dementia at the time). That worthy will immediately "review" issuance policies and begin to revoke most.

[sbo80]

with a population of over 3 million people, SD county has 180 new CCWs? This is impressive how? This is still a farce to get re-elected.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by sbo80

with a population of over 3 million people, SD county has 180 new CCWs? This is impressive how? This is still a farce to get re-elected.

That's 180 new CCWs in the first 3 months of this year.

Acc to SDCGOPAC, they've had "hundreds" of people tell them they've gotten issued since Sept with ZERO denials due to insufficient GC.

If you're familiar with Gore's previous practice, this is an impressive change.

Myers, on the other hand, has come out on his campaign website AGAINST National Reciprocity for CCWs and for taking guns away from people merely arrested for DV, not convicted.

Originally Posted by Myers

As Sheriff, I will:

+ Enforce the gun laws of the state of California, which are the strictest in the nation, to the letter.

+ Set clear guidelines and encourage civil dialogue. I will work with all interested parties on practical solutions, but we’re not going to confiscate guns, nor will we arm teachers.

+ Assign a deputy to all school campuses.

+ Ensure those arrested for domestic violence, child abuse, elder abuse, or animal cruelty, as well as those taken into protective custody for mental health treatment, do not possess guns. I will honor gun violence restraining orders.

+ Not support efforts that result in national reciprocity. Too many states set a very low bar to obtain high-powered weapons and many still let those who have been convicted of domestic violence obtain guns.

+ Support efforts to take guns off the streets through voluntary turn-ins or buybacks, as well as organizations that represent gun owners and work with them to be compliant with all laws.

From: https://www.davemyersforsheriff.com/issues/

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by diverwcw

Once the election is over, things will change. He will forget what he said.

Gore said he'd stop appealing Peruta after loosing the 3-judge panel's decision and he was good to his word.

Gore said back in Oct/Nov he liberalized CCW issuance and, again, he's been good to his word.

Originally Posted by jnojr

I fully expect him to run, win as the incumbent, then retire. He'll name a hand-picked successor, just like Kolender did for him (or Kolender's caretakers, as he was deep into dementia at the time). That worthy will immediately "review" issuance policies and begin to revoke most.

I can speculate too.

Myers is a Left-wing Dem who's other positions are consistently Left wing. Who says he can't "evolve" his CCW position after the next nut case shooting? Myers is already against CCWers from out-of-state CCWing inside CA and CA CCWers CCWing in other states (i.e., Myers is against National Reciprocity). He already supports stripping people of their guns and 2nd A RKBA for only being arrested, not convicted, for DV. Just go to "Issues" on his campaign website to see for yourself.

If Myers wins in 2018, and there's a Repub challenger in 2022, Myers might have to appease his Dem donors, endorsers and party bosses by once again requiring significant GC for CCWs in order to fight off a conservative challenger. (IOW, Myers could be in the opposite position of where Gore is this election. Gore has been forced to become/act like a consistent conservative, whereas Myers could be forced to become/act like a consistent statist/Leftist/Progressive/Liberal.)

And then, when it's Myers time to retire, he'll quit midterm, elevate a consistent Leftist (i.e., anti-CCW, but agrees w/everything else Myers says today), to complete his term, who will then run as the incumbent, and CCWs for SD Co will be lost for decades....

[Paladin]

One of the reservations I would have about voting for Gore, if I lived in SD Co, is that he's still got his restrictive GC policy posted on his website. If he really did start liberalizing things back in Sept, it's been over 6 months and yet no update/revision by IT people.... https://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

He knows CCWs are, like it or not, an important campaign issue this year. You'd think once he decided to liberalize issuance, he'd post a revised GC description, or at least remove some of the more egregious restrictions. "Any activity.... " could replace the "business or occupation" precondition/qualification.

[Jimi Jah]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I fully expect him to run, win as the incumbent, then retire. He'll name a hand-picked successor, just like Kolender did for him (or Kolender's caretakers, as he was deep into dementia at the time). That worthy will immediately "review" issuance policies and begin to revoke most.

That's how things are done here. Gore's replacement will be as resistant as he has been. When the media are introduced to Gore's replacement they will all sign on to the usual "he will keep us safe" crappola and endorse him/her.

CCW permits are at around 99 out of 100 of the most important law enforcement issues here. Only Channel 9 mentions it here locally.

[Cokebottle]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I fully expect him to run, win as the incumbent, then retire. He'll name a hand-picked successor, just like Kolender did for him (or Kolender's caretakers, as he was deep into dementia at the time). That worthy will immediately "review" issuance policies and begin to revoke most.

That has been how it has worked here, with the difference being the hand-picked replacements have been progressively more liberal on issuance, each one streamlining the process a bit.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Cokebottle

That has been how it has worked here, with the difference being the hand-picked replacements have been progressively more liberal on issuance, each one streamlining the process a bit.

I'll repeat myself for SD Co CGNers who are not short-sighted....

Originally Posted by Paladin

Myers is a Left-wing Dem who's other positions are consistently Left wing. Who says he can't "evolve" his CCW position after the next nut case shooting? Myers is already against CCWers from out-of-state CCWing inside CA and CA CCWers CCWing in other states (i.e., Myers is against National Reciprocity). He already supports stripping people of their guns and 2nd A RKBA for only being arrested, not convicted, for DV. Just go to "Issues" on his campaign website to see for yourself.

If Myers wins in 2018, and there's a Repub challenger in 2022, Myers might have to appease his Dem donors, endorsers and party bosses by once again requiring significant GC for CCWs in order to fight off a conservative challenger. (IOW, Myers could be in the opposite position of where Gore is this election. Gore has been forced to become/act like a consistent conservative, whereas Myers could be forced to become/act like a consistent statist/Leftist/Progressive/Liberal.)

And then, when it's Myers time to retire, he'll quit midterm, elevate a consistent Leftist (i.e., anti-CCW, but agrees w/everything else Myers says today), to complete his term, who will then run as the incumbent, and CCWs for SD Co will be lost for decades....

[baggss]

For those of you who have not noticed, the SDSD has added a "CCW Counter" to their CCW web page. Upper right hand corner of the page. Don't know if that number includes judicial and reserve or is just civilians.

http://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

Thanks to Paladin for the heads up...

[Paladin]

Look like Gore just keeps on cranking out CCWs....

Originally Posted by Learning

Just received approval about 90 days from second interview.

[Jimi Jah]

Cranking? More like another slow walk to us here. They crank them out in other states.

[baranski]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

Cranking? More like another slow walk to us here. They crank them out in other states.

So add to the numbers and apply sir.

[Paladin]

Gore cranked out another CCW today!

Originally Posted by TransplantTexan

So 84 days from 2nd interview to the letter today. Now just need to take the class!

"Go, Gore, Go!"

ETA: All of you folk who've gotten CCWs under Gore might think about sending him a "Thank You" letter. While we may believe its our "2nd A right" to OC and/or CC, the CA state legislature and governor (who've kept us May Issue), and the state and federal courts (who haven't shot down May Issue or even the GC requirement), don't. Legally, Gore didn't have to change. So, really, if I were you, I'd thank him for changing his policy and issuing you a CCW.

As my mom used to say to me, "You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar."

[Paladin]

San Diego County Gun Owners have updated their CCW webpage with a new video explaining the application process and examples of successful Good Cause statements: https://sandiegocountygunowners.com/ccw/

Here's the new video:

[Endless]

Originally Posted by L84CABO

His comment is both hilarious and infuriating. He has the audacity to point to a county (L.A.) that for all intents and purposes doesn't issue and say, "but at least we're better than them." Three times zero is still, basically, zero. 1350 permits in a county of 3.3 million people is about one third of one percent of the population.

Mr. Gore, you can suck it!

If this was Chicago citizens would conceal carry anyway without a permit or without the Sheriffs “ok”. They do it daily/all the time in Chicago. They don’t care about the law and I don’t blame them. They care about safety for them and their family first. End of story.

So we know of one town that has given the sheriff and governor the finger.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Endless

If this was Chicago citizens would conceal carry anyway without a permit or without the Sheriffs “ok”. They do it daily/all the time in Chicago. They don’t care about the law and I don’t blame them. They care about safety for them and their family first. End of story.

So we know of one town that has given the sheriff and governor the finger.

Gore is regularly issuing now. SDCGO still hasn't heard of a single denial for lack of GC. Now is not the time to temp people to illegally carry....

[njineermike]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Gore is regularly issuing now. SDCGO still hasn't heard of a single denial for lack of GC. Now is not the time to temp people to illegally carry....

It's pathetic that a figurative gun had to hold to his head to do this, and he blames state law for his choice to drag his feet.

[CessnaDriver]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Gore is regularly issuing now. SDCGO still hasn't heard of a single denial for lack of GC. Now is not the time to temp people to illegally carry....

I believe I read there are two appeals though?

Clerk told me they are tightening up on good cause.
My first experience I met a lot of pushback that I did not expect, I think I was too close to general self protection.
Worked on my good cause to document elevated risk over general public and
things are looking better for now.
Ask me in three months.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by CessnaDriver

I believe I read there are two appeals though?

Clerk told me they are tightening up on good cause.
My first experience I met a lot of pushback that I did not expect, I think I was too close to general self protection.
Worked on my good cause to document elevated risk over general public and
things are looking better for now.
Ask me in three months.

Not anymore!

Sheriff Gore cranks out another CCW!

Originally Posted by berserker619

Well, as the subject indicates, I got my CCW. It went to panel twice, 1 time before election and they did not approve but neither did they deny. Instead they asked for more information which I provided. They approved in the second panel. I took my class and picked up the license last week.

The total process was right around 90 days. I could not be happier with the way the clerks provided feedback and let me know what I would need for proof/evidence. They were very helpful!

ETA:

Originally Posted by berserker619

Good cause was mostly around shooting matches and ranges 4-6 times per week and the quantity/value or guns, equipment and ammo being transported. I did also reference my job as Sr Director of a large financial company and what I am responsible for there. I was clear though that I would not be carrying at my job.

I have never met nor donated to Sheriff Gore.

[Paladin]

Oops! Gore cranked one again....

I think I'll use this thread to dump all the Gore approvals I come across for easy reference.

Originally Posted by SDG19

...
Decided to apply for CCW for work purposes and here's the timeline...

1st appointment within a week of calling - Feb. 22nd
2nd appointment, GC and everything turned in - March 1st
I was called and asked make another appointment to retake fingerprints - March 15th
Figured that fingerprint retake would delay but approval letter was received May 28th
Finished course with Joel Persinger (great instructor by the way!) and received the license this past Friday, 22nd!

...

After my approval came through, owner of the business called in to make an appointment and, as we've all seen happen lately, next available wasn't until mid-August! ...

Originally Posted by SDG19

... And negative on the Sheriff Gore questions, don't know the man nor have I donated to his campaign.

It was mostly self defense actually ... carrying cash was a very small portion of my GC statement. Large percentage of our work force is minimum wage, some ex-cons, high turnover, 'round the clock work hours and locations around town, etc. Couple of factors regarding owner, his family, and me working directly for them contributed to the GC statement as well.

[Jimi Jah]

2 or 3 issues isn't anything here. Not when you can get one quickly in the northern counties for general protection.

Gore is setting conditions that don't exist in other states or counties.

[San_Diego_Shooter]

Wow. I challenged Fake Paladin with his constant cheering for Ruby Ridge Gore and suddenly my comments are deleted? You know Gore was known for that same tactic on his FB page. He got sued for it and lost in court.

[Paladin]

1577 CCWs -- an increase of 85!

Sheriff Gore is turning SDSO into a lean, mean CCW issuing machine!

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

2 or 3 issues isn't anything here. Not when you can get one quickly in the northern counties for general protection.

But you can't here.

Gore is setting conditions that don't exist in other states or counties.

Yup... and he gets to do that. But those conditions can be satisfied, unlike several other populated coastal counties.

Unless you're ready, willing, and able to move; I don't see the point in "But we don't have it as good as those folks over there!" CCW issuance is not going to change for the better in this state until SCOTUS weighs in.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by Paladin

1577 CCWs! That’s an increase of 85!

I pick mine up tomorrow

Sheriff Gore is turning SDSO into a lean, mean CCW issuing machine!

I wouldn't go that far. But I do strongly suspect that not very many people are getting turned down. I think the vast majority don't know anything has changed, don't believe anything has changed, or simply refuse to play the game. I know one guy who, after I told him I was getting mine, he basically said "I'm not even going to try until they accept self defense or the Constitution". I wished him luck with that, and said let's see who gets their first

[Nachoman]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I wouldn't go that far. But I do strongly suspect that not very many people are getting turned down. I think the vast majority don't know anything has changed, don't believe anything has changed, or simply refuse to play the game. I know one guy who, after I told him I was getting mine, he basically said "I'm not even going to try until they accept self defense or the Constitution". I wished him luck with that, and said let's see who gets their first

Yeah, I think the lack of denials is due to the clerks really filtering out the borderline applicants who don't present an acceptable good cause. For my interviews, I had a couple of separate good cause reasons. They quickly honed in on one of them and said that another one shouldn't even be mentioned. So by the time it gets to the review board, all they have are acceptable applicants. Granted, mine hasn't been approved yet, so I might be wrong.

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by Nachoman

Yeah, I think the lack of denials is due to the clerks really filtering out the borderline applicants who don't present an acceptable good cause. For my interviews, I had a couple of separate good cause reasons. They quickly honed in on one of them and said that another one shouldn't even be mentioned. So by the time it gets to the review board, all they have are acceptable applicants. Granted, mine hasn't been approved yet, so I might be wrong.

I had the same experience. I presented two good-cause statements, and they steered me towards one, and I'm being issued.

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I pick mine up tomorrow

Dude, that's AWESOME!!! After 13 years of activism and being on CGN.... Well, I hope, at least, you weren't attacked in that period of time. Hopefully, now that you'll soon be able to defend yourself in public, you'll still avoid any problems.

Two questions: (1) Do you know Sheriff Gore either personally or professionally?

(2) How much have you contributed to Sheriff Gore's re/election campaigns over the years?

I'm not even going to ask you for a rough idea of your GC because SD Co CGNers who are serious applicants have already applied and SDCGO keeps packing them in at their CCW application classes. No need to further increase SDSO's backlog.

Originally Posted by jnojr

I wouldn't go that far.

Yeah, I'm busting chops....

Originally Posted by jnojr

But I do strongly suspect that not very many people are getting turned down. I think the vast majority don't know anything has changed, don't believe anything has changed, or simply refuse to play the game. I know one guy who, after I told him I was getting mine, he basically said "I'm not even going to try until they accept self defense or the Constitution". I wished him luck with that, and said let's see who gets their first

Believe it or not, we have some folks like that who are regular posters on CGN.

As I've posted before: Are you trying to get a CA CCW or are you trying to make a point? (The "point" being Gore doesn't accept SD = GC, CA isn't Shall Issue, and/or some major urban county sheriffs are ignoring their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, incl. the 2nd A, etc.) The thing is that EVERYONE already knows that "point". Sheriffs even admit they don't believe you have a Right to Bear Arms in public. So what's the point of making that point? They spend hours on CGN whining that they can't get a CCW but haven't tried, or at least not since Gore liberalized his GC standard last fall....

[p1choco]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I pick mine up tomorrow

What was the turn around time from start to finish?

[jnojr]

Originally Posted by p1choco

What was the turn around time from start to finish?

Roughly four and a half months. You can read along in my thread about it...

[p1choco]

Originally Posted by jnojr

Roughly four and a half months. You can read along in my thread about it...

Found it. I'll give it a read tonight.

[LoadedM333]

Originally Posted by jnojr

I pick mine up tomorrow

Got mine Last Tuesday and I’ve been carrying for a week. I am a bit worried about printing or accidental exposure since this is not friendly gun county in San Diego. So far so good.

They are issuing but with enhanced GC for the lack of better term. During my 8hours training class, there were 6 new CCW issues including me and 4 renewal.
While this is nothing comparing to shall issue county/state I am glad that Gore has slightly loosened up and issued. A few years back, I wouldn’t even dream of getting issue one.



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[Paladin]

Originally Posted by LoadedM333

While this is nothing comparing to shall issue county/state I am glad that Gore has slightly loosened up and issued. A few years back, I wouldn’t even dream of getting issue one.

More than "slightly": IIRC, last summer, during the state's audit of Sac, LA and SD CCW policies & practices, SDSO had ~500 issued CCWs. They now have >3x that number!

I've read in other threads that Gore is hiring more staff for his CCW unit and they've contacted OCSO for advice on how to process more CCW apps. Those 2 things -- along with Gore continuing to issue more and more CCWs after the election -- give me confidence that he's truly changed his mind re. CCWs and CCWers and that SD Co deserves to be "light green" on the CCW GC map.

Once Gore switches to an online application process all you folks need is time to get SD Co numbers up to where they should be: in the tens of thousands.