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Old 01-10-2019, 7:03 AM
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hello, I am getting back into fishing after a 35 year layoff. can any one point me in the right direction for areas to fish in the so cal/ los angeles area. am going after surf perch as they seem easiest to catch from what I have read. thanks.
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Go to bloodydecks.com. Great fishing resource. Guys at http://charkbait.com tackle shop do a lot of surf fishing along Bolsa Chica and Sunset beaches. They'll get you dialed in.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:58 AM
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Any beach with a surf, Newport, Mission, Capistrano, ect, use sand crabs, get your tackle at Wal-Mart.
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Slim pickens with the water temps right now, but sand crabs or motor oil/red flake grubs on a mosquito hook and splitshot or Carolina rig worked for me for perch,croaker, leopard shark, skates, and corvina.
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Wylies bait on pch in Malibu for bait and tips. Stay away from libtardville in Orange County.(LOL) Santa monica toventura
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Slim pickens with the water temps right now, but sand crabs or motor oil/red flake grubs on a mosquito hook and splitshot or Carolina rig worked for me for perch,croaker, leopard shark, skates, and corvina.
As usual, Castgold is pretty spot on. My 2 retired buddys surf fish a lot and they do well. Mostly around Sunset/Bola area. They use 4 to 6 lb test and Power grubs. They do not throw out a mile either..fish are fairly close in. They say the tide is important..incoming preferred. Have fun!
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Slim pickens with the water temps right now, but sand crabs or motor oil/red flake grubs on a mosquito hook and splitshot or Carolina rig worked for me for perch,croaker, leopard shark, skates, and corvina.
Do this while walking the beach. If you don’t get bit in three casts walk 50’ and start again. Look for beaches with rip currents. Sideways moving water and current are areas of life. Use tiny hooks, like pinky nail sized and 6-8lb test with fluorocarbon leaders, yes it really matters.
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good tips. thanks to all.
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Motor oil red flake on a Carolina rig works well. I use 4# fluorocarbon and sometimes pieces of fresh dead uncooked shrimp.

My favorite is collecting bait from pumping ghost shrimp. Those catch everything.

Your ID says you’re from Los Angeles. I once participated in a shovel nose contest at the Santa Monica Pier area. Only 6# monofilament allowed and bait was squid. About 20 were caught throughout the morning. If it wasn’t such a drive, I’d be there more.
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4lb - 6lb test, Carolina rig, motor oil red flake grubs or my favorite, Gulp samd worms in camo color, use the 2 inch ones or break the 6 inch ones into 1 1/2 to 2 inch pieces. Sand crabs or Ghost shrimp if using live bait
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4lb - 6lb test, Carolina rig, motor oil red flake grubs or my favorite, Gulp sand worms in camo color, use the 2 inch ones or break the 6 inch ones into 1 1/2 to 2 inch pieces. Sand crabs or Ghost shrimp if using live bait
Gulp, though pricey, has produced the best for me. Rootbeer color grubs are my next favorite after motoroil. Instead of threading the worm/grub onto the hook, try hammer hooking (run the hook horizontally through the grub body after about the second segment so that the grub tail is on the opposite side of the hook point). Google it for a picture. This is supposed to allow the bait to swing back and for on the hook for more action compared to the old threaded method.
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The best store bought baits for surf and rubber lip sunfish is are pile (lug) and blood (sand) worms, then shrimp, the best bait overall is sand crabs and muscles, but they don't stay on the hook well (use bait mesh, or bait holding thread). Use a surf pole, surf leader, a torpedo weight 3 to 4 oz, Eagle Claw bait holder hooks [2 to 3 hooks], swivels between the leader and line, and between the leader and weight.
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I don't think the make the Third Grip rod holder anymore, but having something like this helps to keep the reel out of the sand when you need to re-rig at the beach.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Fishing....c100677.m4598

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4lb - 6lb test, Carolina rig, motor oil red flake grubs or my favorite, Gulp samd worms in camo color, use the 2 inch ones or break the 6 inch ones into 1 1/2 to 2 inch pieces. Sand crabs or Ghost shrimp if using live bait


Gulp is oftentimes referred to as crack. When you hear surf fishermen talking about crack, once you use it you’ll understand why.

Carolina rig works great. I use circle hooks sometimes because they inhale the hook with crack and I hate digging out deep hooked fish. With grubs I use #6 bait holder hooks.

As for beaches, pretty much any beach will hold fish. It’s a matter of reading the beach, the surf, etc. Tides are important. I like incoming tides although some beaches fish well outgoing and low. Water temp and clarity and movement are important too. Clear water is no bueno. Need some murkiness. Also, good water movement is helpful.

A good tip is to hit a beach at a good low tide and check out the structure. Look for structure and breaks and channels. Also, when you’re at a beach, look at the surf. If you see two sets and a pool in the middle, the pool is deeper. Fish just past and just in front of the closer set. Also, fish come in really close. Sometimes you’ll wade past them. Sometimes I’m waist deep and sometimes I’m ankle deep or at the waters edge. When you see a set coming in and it’s not flat straight across, like part of the wave flattens and mushes out. That’s a deep spot. Fish hold in the deeper spots and wait for food to pass through.


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these are great tips. thanks. I think I will be going out Sunday morning to the area north of PCH and Sunset to see what I can scare up.
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I have hiked the trails in appalls verdes and both of the golf courses have fairly good beach access. Is this area too exposed / too rocky for fishing from surfboard/ kayaks?
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I too would like to get into surf fishing. Whats a good rod and reel set up w/o breaking the bank?
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In Cali we use the Sliding Swivel rig for salt water and big fish, it uses a sliding sinker, berral swivel, and for optimal performance a sliding swivel with a snap for the weight (optional), the Carolina Rig is for Large and Small mouth bass, freshwater.

It has to do with how knots work, that's why we usse proven saltwater game fish rigs.

For saltwater surf fishing, we have use a surf leader rig, from the reel 20 pound mono, with 20 (15 lbs for breakaway) pound fluorocarbon leader, torpedo weight 3 to 6 oz depending on surf action and tide.

We hook a lot of tough sharks and rays in the surf, got to have the right set up to have a chance on landing what is hooked.

Here's a pic, they can be bought pre made or can be self made, hook with leaders too.



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Check out scsurffishing.com

I like sandcrabs, gulp sandworms and lucky craft flashminnows.
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I too would like to get into surf fishing. Whats a good rod and reel set up w/o breaking the bank?
A cheapish fw outfit will get you started after perch and croaker in so cal. Something for 10 lb test and about a 7 ft rod. Only need to get to the breakers.
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I too would like to get into surf fishing. Whats a good rod and reel set up w/o breaking the bank?

I use a cheapo Shakespeare rod / reel combo from wally world. It was like $35 15 years ago. If you like fishing but like to work the casts then surf fishing will get you hooked, an absolute blast.
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In Cali we use the Sliding Swivel rig for salt water and big fish, it uses a sliding sinker, berral swivel, and for optimal performance a sliding swivel with a snap for the weight (optional), the Carolina Rig is for Large and Small mouth bass, freshwater.

It has to do with how knots work, that's why we usse proven saltwater game fish rigs.

For saltwater surf fishing, we have use a surf leader rig, from the reel 20 pound mono, with 20 (15 lbs for breakaway) pound fluorocarbon leader, torpedo weight 3 to 6 oz depending on surf action and tide.

We hook a lot of tough sharks and rays in the surf, got to have the right set up to have a chance on landing what is hooked.

Here's a pic, they can be bought pre made or can be self made, hook with leaders too.



That's the kind of hi-lo rig I use when fishing for shark and ray (and halibut sometimes) in decent sized surf where I want to cast at the back of the breakers. There's a spot in Monterey I like to hit that has a deepish channel longshore to the beach, and getting that rig in there will pick up all sorts of things.

Actually IN the surf, as in right in the breakers right on shore, in a foot or so of water, I like to fish leadheads and carolina rigged grubs and/or gulp on 8 lb mono with an 8.5 foot spinning rod (let's me keep lots of line out of the water).
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That's the kind of hi-lo rig I use when fishing for shark and ray (and halibut sometimes) in decent sized surf where I want to cast at the back of the breakers. There's a spot in Monterey I like to hit that has a deepish channel longshore to the beach, and getting that rig in there will pick up all sorts of things.

Actually IN the surf, as in right in the breakers right on shore, in a foot or so of water, I like to fish leadheads and carolina rigged grubs and/or gulp on 8 lb mono with an 8.5 foot spinning rod (let's me keep lots of line out of the water).
Where we traditionally surf fish a 8 1/2 foot rod is too short, and requires at least 3 ounces of weight, more often 6 oz triangle, 8 lbs test is too light for ocean fishing.

When we plug for bass and halibut that are working a bait ball we use a rod like you (8-9 feet), but 15 to 20 lbs test, and we wade out past the breakers cast. Fish with that small stuff and get it torn up by a ray, or miss a bass or halibut.
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Where we traditionally surf fish a 8 1/2 foot rod is too short, and requires at least 3 ounces of weight, 8 lbs test is too light for ocean fishing.

When we plug for bass and halibut that are working a bait ball we use a rod like you (8-9 feet), but 15 to 20 lbs test, and we wade out past the breakers cast. Fish with that small stuff and get it torn up by a ray, or miss a bass or halibut.
I was talking about two different styles of surf fishing. Fishing a hi-lo with 4-10 oz of weight in the back of the breakers for sharks or halibut I'll use a 10 foot (wish I had a 12) with 20lb mono on a Jigmaster.

Fishing for surf perch, in the surf, I use my 8.5 foot rod with 8lb test. I'll spool 6lb next time. I barely cast with that rig, basically using it like can pole as perch feed really close to shore, in shallow water, in the breakers, practically at your feet if you are wading. I've also caught redfish, croaker, and striper on that rig (on the east coast, out in the surf).

Edit to add: Growing up in So Cal surf fishing was all about 8 and bait chucked as far as possible, or at least that's what I saw. I was too busy looking for calicos from small boats in the salt (spent most of my time chasing largemouth out on Casitas though). After moving to Monterey I found the joys of fishing for surf perch right in shore on light tackle. I now split my time between the two styles.

And for what it's worth, when I'm fishing heavy, I prefer a sputniks to pyramids.
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these are great tips. thanks. I think I will be going out Sunday morning to the area north of PCH and Sunset to see what I can scare up.
That's where I caught my baby leopard 15 years ago. Motor oil grub, red flake.

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Hutch, buy a 9' crappie rod. Ive used mines and it cast just as far as the guys out there with surf rods. It only cost me 14 dollars at Walmart. I figured Im only going after perch, I dont need a $100+ rig.
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Rosarito beach baja has great fishing.
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